Rants and Stupid shit in Orange County

[Grimmy23]

I'm posting this in response to the discussion in the MP thread about legal issues with MPs and posting "in code" on here as is commonplace with some people. As a reminder, I'm a legit spa owner so I know the legal landscape extremely well. There's a few things I can tell all of you.

1. Massage is not a licensed profession in California. In fact, California is the last remaining state that doesn't have a state massage license. What we have is a "certificate," and it is up to each individual city as to whether they want to require the certificate to practice massage or not. Most California jurisdictions do require the certificate. There are a few that only say one person on staff has to have the certificate and all of the other therapists are working under the CMT's supervision, but that's the fairly rare exception. The organization that issues the certificates is a civilian organization, not part of the government. As part of the process, they do vet massage schools and require a certain number of hours of instruction from a recognized massage school.

2. Since there is no California state massage board, regulation of massage establishments is entirely up to the individual cities. You can look up the municipal code for any city just by googling it. You will find that just about every city has a "massage establishments" section in their muni codes. Looking at that for any given city will tell you a lot. You will also find that a lot of cities just seem to copy their massage codes from other cities, as the language tends to be similar from city to city. Costa Mesa is one of the oddball ones that has weird rules that other cities don't have. Things like inward looking peepholes on the room doors, restrictions on light dimmers, and such.

3. One thing that is common is that by holding a massage establishment business license, you subject yourself to random inspections by either city officials or law enforcement. If either shows up, you cannot deny access. Therefore, law enforcement doesn't need to have a search warrant. They can just show up for their random inspection at any time unannounced and you have to give them access, and there has to be a manager on staff to provide them with any information that is needed. Some cities are far more strict on actually enforcing their muni codes than others. CM for example is a pain in the ass, even with massage establishments that are well known to be legit. Westminster doesn't really care that much.

4. The one thing I can say with 100% certainty is that city officials know full well what goes on in all of these places. They don't need to read USASG posts and sort through vague or coded language. They know who the jack shacks are, who the FS shops are, and exactly how things work. Some cities are tolerant of that and some aren't. I've posted before that I lived in Downey for a long time. I no longer live in Downey, but I had a cop in Downey tell me once that they have no interest in busting those places. They'd rather have that stuff going on in the MPs where it's contained, so long as the MPs don't become a nuisance. If they break up the MPs the end result is they just drive the sex work underground where it's harder to monitor and contain.

5. Once again, it doesn't take a LE sting to go after a MP. If a city wants a place shut down, there are 100 different ways they could do it without getting LE involved, and a lot of them can be done so quietly that the public won't even notice. It's not to say that MPs don't get busted, because we all know they do, but the main point is that speaking in code on here isn't going to prevent anyplace from getting busted.

[TheZorak]

The one time I need to go for a drive and waste my time, the Enclave crew isn't working LOL. It's been a couple days. I hope they're okay and it was just caution for the storm. The storm that was nothing but some rain and humidity. Their absence shows how much they contribute to the site. It'd be so empty and boring without them, sigh.

[PelicanT99]

I just left a major question post in the Viagra thread, a top level thread, not under any of the states, you can see it from the top menu level. I have come to trust many of you guys who post in this OC section and if you have any thoughts about what I just wrote, I'd be glad to read them.

Lift Her Up.

I don't know about high-level dosage, but when I started on 5 mg daily for BPE, and holy shit it was like I was 18 again. I'd started on testosterone gel for low T about a year before, and that helped "focus my attention" but I think that Cialis made me harder & maybe bigger than past few years. (T gel also had the unexpected benefit of easing aches & pains after exercise, which improves my mood & willingness to exercise.).

I would say, always consult an actual doctor before playing with medicines in your body. T gel is "like jet fuel for prostate cancer" per my doctor, and I must submit to regular probing to be sure it's not changing. Plus it makes it easier & cheaper to score the meds (my post insurance share of a 90 day Cialis Rx is like $20, although it's a "pre-approval" Rx and requires the doctor to jump some hoops).

[Lift Her Up]

I just left a major question post in the Viagra thread, a top level thread, not under any of the states, you can see it from the top menu level. I have come to trust many of you guys who post in this OC section and if you have any thoughts about what I just wrote, I'd be glad to read them.

Lift Her Up.

[DarkRoomDaddy]

The sex trafficking charges were total BS and Mei was incarcerated for three years before she was found not guilty.

What happened? Did it start with a LE sting, or did a girl claim to be a victim? I know for a fact that many immigrants are coached how to apply for green cards by playing the victim card. The problem with enforcement of this, is that we have a preformed picture in our heads, and we automatically assume its some nefarious trafficker taking advantage of innocent women. The truth of the matter is that most of these girls actively seek out this high paying profession. There are a few who act like they are doing something they don't like, but if you suggest to them to take some English classes and get a legit massage license or get out of the business, they never have the least amount of interest. They are in love. In love with the big money that dwarfs anything they might get from washing dishes, sewing tee shirts, or cleaning houses. My own theory is that US society has become anti-male. Just think of how many times you heard the terms toxic masculinity or patriarchy recently. By extension, no woman would want to willingly provide pleasurable services to men unless forced to do so, so they must be victims. But the upside is that most of Asia is much more male-friendly, and these shops would go out of business if our own society was more open to men and their sexual needs.

[StuDoctor]

There is a long article in the 8/5 issue of the LA Times about how Mei Xing, the owner of Sunshine, Rose Spa, Garvey Therapy and others in the SGV was found not guilty on federal trafficking charges. It starts on the front page and continues on two full pages inside. I suggest reading it.

Lift Her Up.

The sex trafficking charges were total BS and Mei was incarcerated for three years before she was found not guilty.

[Heartless Jay]

There is a long article in the 8/5 issue of the LA Times about how Mei Xing, the owner of Sunshine, Rose Spa, Garvey Therapy and others in the SGV was found not guilty on federal trafficking charges. It starts on the front page and continues on two full pages inside. I suggest reading it.

Lift Her Up.

I had read that story before, very enlightening. Several of the women who had accused MMS of trafficking them had come from other sex work jobs. Not really the innocent victims they claimed to have been.

[Lift Her Up]

There is a long article in the 8/5 issue of the LA Times about how Mei Xing, the owner of Sunshine, Rose Spa, Garvey Therapy and others in the SGV was found not guilty on federal trafficking charges. It starts on the front page and continues on two full pages inside. I suggest reading it.

Lift Her Up.

[PelicanT99]

I think "Rants & Stupid Shit" has become "Probing, Honest Self-Reflections" LOL. JK, I find this discussion a lot more fascinating than Parasite Pie's (not real name) 86th post asking for others to relate the details re: sex they paid for and he can't afford, like he misses the old Penthouse Letters stories. Reading others' views actually helps me reflect on and think through my own motivations, rationalizations, decisions; and that's a good thing so thanks!

[James D 2004]

it'll be different for you. In any event, it's your money and your pleasure, so there's no wrong answer here.

Different guys have different needs. And each guy may have different needs. If the price is right for the whole package, it's a good deal. What's the difference between offering DFK, Greek, fake orgasms, or real orgasms? You get what you fancy if the price is right.

(It's futile to get "more" from a provider when it's not on the menu. Though some may reserve GFE for their regulars as some sort of discount.).

I accidentally tricked myself to see another MILF. She is not bad looking in comparison but gone are the days K-girls wear lingerie and bikinis at the door. She is very skilled, kneeling down to suck my dick sitting in front of the mirror. When it was too intense I breastfeed myself and attacked her 3 holes with my tongue. Then I empty my little load into her bare pussy. It was a small load because I was oversexed. Because of the old Indian med that I found, I was still hard. (The US sold med wasn't as potent.) I couldn't pull out because her pussy said no. I tried again and again but no it said. It was an experience.

Then my fav SW called and so I went to see if anything I can do. I got an erection not long after she got into my car. My pants were too tight for my cock. And so we went for sex again after finishing BBFS an hour earlier. She is a human Viagra. Imagine you pull the hottest SW on the streets or in videos, 100% of the time you will be disappointed. Maybe their makeup hides something. Maybe their naked breasts are too deformed, enhanced or natural. Maybe they have junk in the trunk. Maybe they have a bad personality.

She doesn't disappoint, about 5'6, and looks like a stripper or athlete. Natural breasts pointing forward, firm butt and small waist. A pretty face if you like that exotic look. She has everything you do a double take naked. The disappointments are that she doesn't offer DFK, DATY. She offers BBBJ but at a silly price. That's understandable. If she can offer those she doesn't need to be on the streets. (Most girls don't or you don't want to do it.) She is black with arms covered in tattoos. Some on the body but not in critical places. So I'm not licking some duke's face when I am enjoying her. But she is black so the tats aren't really that visible. I gave her a schoolgirl outfit because she will look the best. She didn't take it off so I had no chance to take it back for laundry. I do that because if you leave it you will probably not see it again unless you specifically ask for it. But that day she was wearing an elastic little black dress in the daytime. If she walks a few steps her dress will reveal a hint of her red micro panties, if you know it's there.

[DarkRoomDaddy]

I am another of those who is looking for an authentic experience of mutual sexual enjoyment. Something I can't get in my primary relationship anymore, for reasons not worth discussing.

This is why I restrict myself to sugarbabies. I would have a difficult time believing, w / someone who is seeing lots of guys for dough, that even if they presented a positive experience, it was real. And I am all about real in my life. I have had dozens of SBs in the past few years. It hasn't hurt that they were all one-half to one-third my age. It is totally exhilarating to bang a girl so hot I would have been scared to approach her when I was her age. Thankfully, many aspects of my confidence have improved w / time and experience, and pleasing someone like that to boot is one. Lots of young girls know that if they are w / an older man, they'll have a lot better experience sexually. It is my counterbalance to the aspects of aging we can't escape.

Most men get aroused by the idea of a woman getting off. Thats why virtually all women make those noises. Its built into our wiring.

Women are variable, and there are occasional nymphos, but the vast majority of women don't get turned on by anonymous, emotionless, rushed trysts in places of questionable privacy. We are fine with all that, but they are not. Now imagine that they work 5 days a week, 10-12 hours a day, grabbing small dicks, big dicks, medium dicks. How much of a turn on is that? I would bet money that the last thing they want to see is yet another dick.

If you want a woman turned on, you need to see her regularly, demonstrate some gentlemanly charm, some humor, then take them out to dinner, and build up to some sex in a romantic place. And even then they rarely come the first time. They often have to have sex several times as their confidence in you grows.

So the vast majority of experiences we have are excellent examples of performance art, like Meg Ryan in that movie with Billie Crystal. All of them do some heavy breathing, some "oh baby", some "you are so big", etc. Some are not too good at it, but there are some girls who should earn an academy award. The whole idea is to get you off as quick as possible so they don't get carpal tunnel syndrome from jacking for 30 minutes, and the tip is good, and you might come back and give more money.

So don't take it too serioiusly. Its all a big game. Just imagine you are a big stud, who is somehow the greatest lover this girl ever saw, so much so, that she loves your dick more than the other 100 she has seen that week.

If you want to really see a woman get off, then have a love affair with a civilian. Someone who actually likes you and is attracted to you. And who isn't pulling 10 dicks a day. Thats some real passion, some real connection.

[Taws6]

Bitter experience has taught me that seeking "more" in this context is a fool's errand & just leads to disappointment, but maybe it'll be different for you. In any event, it's your money and your pleasure, so there's no wrong answer here.

I'll spend my time & effort in pleasing my wife. I just want more sex than once or twice a week.

She's got the comforort and relaxation level where she can reguarly soak the sheets. Problem is, I like both quality and quantity.

Paid gives me the quantity, I'll spend the extra time & effort on the quality. - not investing that time and effort in someone I'll likely never see again. (it is nice as well in having a mix).

[SaltyDog]

I'm with you. Personally, I cum harder if I have at least what seems to be a mutual sexual experience. I won't pay more for DATY. That's pointless to me. But if she lets me get my head between her thighs and she genuinely enjoys it or at least does a good job of pretending to enjoy it, it makes it better when it's my turn. I always assume provider orgasms are fake unless proven otherwise. I have a few girls I've seen who either had real orgasms or did one hell of an academy award winning acting job, including causing a gush of wetness at the end. I'd much rather get my head between a girl's legs than lay face down and get a shitty massage for half an hour.

You want to see a provider have an orgasm then go Lisa at Angel FS. Now that gal gives a pretty consistent performance. But it is a turn on either way acting or not.

[Grimmy23]

While as described below I'm on Team Selfish when it comes to paid sex, I totally understand guys who value getting their sex worker off. I like doing it too, but in my personal cost-benefit analysis it's not really relevant, it's just an added free bonus if it happens. Meaning I wouldn't pay more just for that extra satisfaction. But to each their own when spending their own $. We just need to distinguish those seeking mere sexual release from those seeking something "more" from their sex worker (aka your friend or baby or however you regard that girl you pay to spend time with you). Bitter experience has taught me that seeking "more" in this context is a fool's errand & just leads to disappointment, but maybe it'll be different for you. In any event, it's your money and your pleasure, so there's no wrong answer here.

I'm with you. Personally, I cum harder if I have at least what seems to be a mutual sexual experience. I won't pay more for DATY. That's pointless to me. But if she lets me get my head between her thighs and she genuinely enjoys it or at least does a good job of pretending to enjoy it, it makes it better when it's my turn. I always assume provider orgasms are fake unless proven otherwise. I have a few girls I've seen who either had real orgasms or did one hell of an academy award winning acting job, including causing a gush of wetness at the end. I'd much rather get my head between a girl's legs than lay face down and get a shitty massage for half an hour.

[PelicanT99]

I don't know. Personally I find satisfaction in making a woman cum, assuming it's a real orgasm. Most of the time in this hobby it's fake, but there are a few unmistakable signs of the rare occasion when you can actually pull off a real one. It's a big turn on for me. The arching of the back, the bucking hips, the moaning, the wetness, and then it's time for me to get off. It adds a lot to the experience, for me at least.

While as described below I'm on Team Selfish when it comes to paid sex, I totally understand guys who value getting their sex worker off. I like doing it too, but in my personal cost-benefit analysis it's not really relevant, it's just an added free bonus if it happens. Meaning I wouldn't pay more just for that extra satisfaction. But to each their own when spending their own $. We just need to distinguish those seeking mere sexual release from those seeking something "more" from their sex worker (aka your friend or baby or however you regard that girl you pay to spend time with you). Bitter experience has taught me that seeking "more" in this context is a fool's errand & just leads to disappointment, but maybe it'll be different for you. In any event, it's your money and your pleasure, so there's no wrong answer here.