"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[AdmirerSecret]

Thank you man. You are providing so details this really helps others. Keep educating us.

As I mentioned earlier I've let my sub lapse after having some success and finding someone that will become my regular. I thought it might be useful to post a few screenshots from one of my "negotiations" with an SB that had "GPS" according to a different post here. No, I won't link to the girl as her profile is now inactive. A few things to know:

We had talked some on the site then switched to text. Texted off and on that day and the next. We talked about her and what she liked and eventually the discussion turned sexual and she sent a few nudes. I didn't let the PPM discussion happen til we reached a point where I thought she liked me and wanted to see me. If you go straight from messaging on SA to just immediately asking about PPM as soon as you move to text you're almost certainly going to overpay. Spend a little time getting to know them first, ask them questions about things they mention liking on their profile (you did read their profile right?)

Green texts are me, black texts are from her. You'll notice at one point she happens to bring up that her previous SD who paid too much enjoyed public play. No, whether I do or not isn't relevant, but I immediately used that info to 1) assert that I don't want to be rushed, and 2) isn't something that I'm interested in (subtly implying there's no value to be added by "doing things in public" which means I don't need to pay extra for it. I don't say that outloud or obviously, but the implication is I don't need to pay as much since I don't care about it).

[GoneForGood97]

As I mentioned earlier I've let my sub lapse after having some success and finding someone that will become my regular. I thought it might be useful to post a few screenshots from one of my "negotiations" with an SB that had "GPS" according to a different post here. No, I won't link to the girl as her profile is now inactive. A few things to know:

We had talked some on the site then switched to text. Texted off and on that day and the next. We talked about her and what she liked and eventually the discussion turned sexual and she sent a few nudes. I didn't let the PPM discussion happen til we reached a point where I thought she liked me and wanted to see me. If you go straight from messaging on SA to just immediately asking about PPM as soon as you move to text you're almost certainly going to overpay. Spend a little time getting to know them first, ask them questions about things they mention liking on their profile (you did read their profile right?)

Green texts are me, black texts are from her. You'll notice at one point she happens to bring up that her previous SD who paid too much enjoyed public play. No, whether I do or not isn't relevant, but I immediately used that info to 1) assert that I don't want to be rushed, and 2) isn't something that I'm interested in (subtly implying there's no value to be added by "doing things in public" which means I don't need to pay extra for it. I don't say that outloud or obviously, but the implication is I don't need to pay as much since I don't care about it).

[AdmirerSecret]

Took subscription on SA and SB but no success since from 1 month. Girls asks more like $500 but no one for $200 plus host.

I am 34 and I look good not bad also not fat also. Not sure where am I making mistake. How you guys chat? Just friendly trying to be friend or straightforward to the sugar daddy conversation? Are they ready to meet first time for free or you guys paying some amount to meet also? Suggest some good apps for next month.

[AdmirerSecret]

So which app you are using and getting success and more real girls.

Secretbenefits has real women b / c I've hooked up with real girls from other sites and found their profile on secrets. The problem with secrets is the payment structure is messed up and there's no smart phone app. No smart phone app is the death knell b / c all these gen Z chicks use smartphone apps. Without a smartphone app the chicks get no notification you've messaged them as well as other things.

The only value I find from secrets is using it to gather intel from a girl I'm already working thru another app. Videos of chicks are invaluable.

[AdmirerSecret]

Mongers.

Check out all video from that page. This kind of situation occurred when dealing with a sugar baby?

https://m.facebook.com/dale.reisinge...8854672012514/

[Verdit]

https://members.seeking.com/member/9...4-3ff313c4db44

DTF, nice girl. It took a couple tries for our schedules to link up, but when they finally did she came to my room. We sat around and talked and watched TV for about 40 minutes before we started DFK. She's a very submissive girl and really liked it when I was rough with her.

Never told me no to anything I did.

The only drawback is that she's too skinny for my taste.

[GoneForGood97]

I never did better on CL CE than when I was at my fattest. Women don't mind big guys, that much, and they are much more turned off by someone is is too skinny.

And late 30's is a big plus for you, because most of these girls aren't naturally attracted to old dudes, (and of course can't blame them for that). So you have those two factors going in your favor. Plus you put in the work and put effort into negotiating and more. But good job on the May action, and hopefully June will be as good, or better.

Thanks. I plan on letting my sub lapse, as between my new regular and my old regular still asking for some action I'm pretty well set. That's my SOP: sub for a month, find a few different girls, then unsub and enjoy my roster for 3-4 months until I get bored.

[Peter Johnson]

I'm late 30's and very overweight, so my looks work against me. I'd have to dig through texts to figure out the closing % rate, but I'm going to guess around 10%. A lot of girls who ghosted or just said no when I made my offer, but I'm ok with that. Let someone else overpay them.

I never did better on CL CE than when I was at my fattest. Women don't mind big guys, that much, and they are much more turned off by someone is is too skinny.

And late 30's is a big plus for you, because most of these girls aren't naturally attracted to old dudes, (and of course can't blame them for that). So you have those two factors going in your favor. Plus you put in the work and put effort into negotiating and more. But good job on the May action, and hopefully June will be as good, or better.

[LouisHernandez]

Is it secret benefits site or seeking arrangements? Where you are seeing success more?

Secretbenefits has real women b / c I've hooked up with real girls from other sites and found their profile on secrets. The problem with secrets is the payment structure is messed up and there's no smart phone app. No smart phone app is the death knell b / c all these gen Z chicks use smartphone apps. Without a smartphone app the chicks get no notification you've messaged them as well as other things.

The only value I find from secrets is using it to gather intel from a girl I'm already working thru another app. Videos of chicks are invaluable.

[AdmirerSecret]

Is it secret benefits site or seeking arrangements? Where you are seeing success more?

My 30 day sub is coming to an end and thought I would just give a quick summary for those interested. As of day 29:

I had dates with 6 girls, and fucked 4 of them. I had 2 coffee dates that never went further, one told me later her ex wanted to get back together, the other told me another SD made her "an offer she couldn't refuse to become exclusive" after her and I had come to an agreement (250 plus she hosted). Interesting tidbit, the ones I fucked were all between 21-28, and the only two 30+ girls I saw were the ones whose pants I didn't get into. I have at least 1 more I'm talking to offsite that I've almost closed the deal on.

One was 280 plus hotel (I let myself go a bit above my limit), 2 others were 200 plus hotel, and 1 was just dinner plus hotel. The last one is going to be my new regular. I also had my previous SB reach out and ask to hook up and was able to get her to agree to a lower $ to see me again. She was 300 and hosted, now when I see her she's 200 plus hosted, so technically I was with 5 different women, though I'm not counting my previous SB for this analysis.

[TheAnswer4]

Hey GoneforGood97 I am trying to message you but the site says your inbox is full!

[GoneForGood97]

That's a good month. A few Qs: 1) How old are you and 2) what's your phone number (texting) them to closing % rate? Mine has been running about 1 in 20, or 5% on avg.

Interesting you didn't close the 30+ group. I'm 48 and continue to have all my success in the 18-28 range also, which I'm hardly complaining.

I'm late 30's and very overweight, so my looks work against me. I'd have to dig through texts to figure out the closing % rate, but I'm going to guess around 10%. A lot of girls who ghosted or just said no when I made my offer, but I'm ok with that. Let someone else overpay them.

[GoneForGood97]

Any info on her?

https://members.seeking.com/member/7...b-e9121f20a82e

Move to text very quickly and eager to meet. 400 for ppm. Anyone have any experience with her? I'm a little wary with how quick things turned out.

She also wants a quick tip with nudes over text.

Clearly a scammer. The first sign is her location is "Georgia, Georgia". The 2nd is her asking for tips for nudes. Block her and move on, don't feed the scammers.

You're also overpaying at 400 PPM in Atlanta, see my previous post on what pricing you should be offering.

[SuperFlee]

If she is asking for money for any reason before meeting run away. Also her location is Georgia, Georgia so that would raise flags as well.

Thanks that's what I figured as well. Think I dodged a bullet.

[LouisHernandez]

My 30 day sub is coming to an end and thought I would just give a quick summary for those interested. As of day 29:

I had dates with 6 girls, and fucked 4 of them. I had 2 coffee dates that never went further, one told me later her ex wanted to get back together, the other told me another SD made her "an offer she couldn't refuse to become exclusive" after her and I had come to an agreement (250 plus she hosted). Interesting tidbit, the ones I fucked were all between 21-28, and the only two 30+ girls I saw were the ones whose pants I didn't get into. I have at least 1 more I'm talking to offsite that I've almost closed the deal on.

One was 280 plus hotel (I let myself go a bit above my limit), 2 others were 200 plus hotel, and 1 was just dinner plus hotel. The last one is going to be my new regular. I also had my previous SB reach out and ask to hook up and was able to get her to agree to a lower $ to see me again. She was 300 and hosted, now when I see her she's 200 plus hosted, so technically I was with 5 different women, though I'm not counting my previous SB for this analysis.

Average allowance was 182 (the no $ catch is skewing the number, though I did include the cost of her dinner / drinks) plus hotel. If we don't include the 0 outlier, then I'm averaging 226 plus hotel.

No BBWs, all were spinners or average, though one of the average girls did have a little muffin top, though she was also a nympho freak. Two white girls, one light skinned mixed girl, and one Middle Eastern.

One was a legit model who I saw a couple of times but she was too hard to schedule with, or she likely would have become my regular. One was married but her husband knew, and she was the most boring. All allowed bare, but only 3 were CIP and CIM. One allowed neither, asked I finish on her tits. Pretty good month overall. I have about 85 girls showing in my inbox in the past 30 days, but since I know I deleted a few content sellers / scammers, that probably means I messaged around 100 girls over 29 days. Not sure how many I converted to text / snap, but that should give you an idea of how many girls you'll need to message to hit those numbers. I'm pretty experienced with the site, so I may have a higher site-to-offsite conversion ratio than someone newer.

There were definitely some girls that I could've probably closed but seeing more than 1 girl a week is a stretch for my budget and something I tried to avoid, but probably could've bagged another 2-3 if I didn't have others already lined up.

That's a good month. A few Qs: 1) How old are you and 2) what's your phone number (texting) them to closing % rate? Mine has been running about 1 in 20, or 5% on avg.

Interesting you didn't close the 30+ group. I'm 48 and continue to have all my success in the 18-28 range also, which I'm hardly complaining.