Strip Club Reports

[Chimil Detin]

Chicago is not a great stripclub city. For the amount of money you would need to burn to have a decent time, those clubs should treat you well.

I'll take Detroit clubs over Chicago's any day.

Problem is, relative to my home base, Chicago is a 90-120 minute one-way drive, while Detroit is six hours away.

I get to Chicago once every few weeks. I'm lucky to get to Detroit once a year, though I read up on the scene and save up to have a bunch of fun when I do get there. If it was the other way around distance-wise, I'd never bother with Chicago, but it's not. No, you don't get the services you get in Detroit, but for about 1/3rd the price, you can still get a hot dancer grinding in your lap for a few songs. Better than nothin'.

That said, they can't treat every customer perfectly down there, especially when I go, weekend nights when it's busiest. I feel like I get treated better than most, though, even though there are nights where I go, don't see anything I like and leave.

It helps that one of the clubs I frequent there is an airport club, which means they also probably don't see a ton of regular business like me.

Being a regular helps most IMHO. If you come in regularly and become familiar you can get benefits.

I don't know, but it seems to me that clubs fall into 2 general categories. One business model is get the hottest girls and do everything possible to keep them. If a customer gets abused, no problem, it's easy to get more please if you have the hottest girls.

The other business model is be like a regular neighborhood bar, keep the customers happy. If they don't have the hottest girls it isn't so easy to get new custies.

My point is, if it's the first business model, the bouncers may not have the authority to disagree with the dancers. Even if you tip them and talk about the lions, if a hot dancer tries to rip you off and we go talk to the bouncer, if the end result is it the hot dancer gets mad and quits on the spot it may not bode well for the bouncer.

But yes, there can be a benefit to tipping everyone. What I hate is when I'm asked for a tip. Hey, I'm not arguing, there's more than one way to look at things. Thanks for your viewpoint.

I also club in Milwaukee, where something about the local ordinances or whatever requires the dancers to take a "tip walk" after their stage show, going around to every customer seated near the stage and at the bar and asking for a dollar "for their show". The dancers only kinda-sorta like it for the little bit of cash they get and the chance to maybe sell dances, but don't like having to approach everyone. The customers generally don't like it, but know its a thing and fork over the dollar anyway because the other alternative is being rude over something as small as a dollar. Some complain more than others. Clearly you'd hate it, LOL.

I can't really speak to the whole two types of clubs thing because I think that might be unique to Detroit. Other places I go, there are upscale clubs and dives, but they both seem to take whatever talent they can get.

I don't think the staffers I know at my usual Chicago haunts would put a new dancer's claims ahead of my regular business just because she's hot. The high-end clubs there have enough hot dancers that one more or less won't break them, while I'm a face they've seen for at least a decade. If she was a longtime dancer, yes, but I visit the same clubs on the same nights consistently, so I would be stunned if those clubs had a dancer I didn't know who didn't already have a reputation one way or another. Plus, there's not as many club choices in terms of where to work. Get fired by one club operator (who may run a few clubs in the area), you're far more at risk of having your drive to work elsewhere get a lot longer or the quality of club you work at go way down.

But Chicago also has stricter rules such that there's fewer shenanigans, both from dancers and customers. Unlike Detroit, a staffer actually counts the songs, tracks the minutes and watches the cameras. If there's a dispute either way, they've got receipts. If a dancer makes some sort of crazy claim she did nine dances and the dance-counter only has her down for three, the club's probably going to tell her to take a hike.

I can see how Detroit's elimination of the middle man for negotiated services through, ahem, (purposeful) lack of oversight, makes it much more of a risk / reward scenario for the club in terms of which side of a dancer / customer dispute to take. Maybe that's part of what creates more issues. I don't get there often enough to know.

[NipDrake]

I was at BTs a month or two back and met a dancer who just started there but I haven't seen her since. She's late 20's or early 30's and had dark hair. Don't remember her name but she said she's from Port Huron. Not a lot to go on I know but does anyone know who she is and where she's working now?

[Pussylicker2]

Bouncers are people, too.

Maybe, just maybe, people who are kind, easy-going and not fighting over every dollar and little thing have fewer issues with staff, valets, them holding onto your keys, etc. , because staff has fewer issues with them and they're less of a PITA for everyone surrounding them. Just a thought.

Of course it's always good to be respectful and friendly with everyone, including bouncers. I always tip servers and bartenders. I tip my server more if she lets me fondle her tits. Being a regular helps most IMHO. If you come in regularly and become familiar you can get benefits. I've had my cover waived because the guy liked my shirt.

I don't know, but it seems to me that clubs fall into 2 general categories. One business model is get the hottest girls and do everything possible to keep them. If a customer gets abused, no problem, it's easy to get more please if you have the hottest girls.

The other business model is be like a regular neighborhood bar, keep the customers happy. If they don't have the hottest girls it isn't so easy to get new custies.

My point is, if it's the first business model, the bouncers may not have the authority to disagree with the dancers. Even if you tip them and talk about the lions, if a hot dancer tries to rip you off and we go talk to the bouncer, if the end result is it the hot dancer gets mad and quits on the spot it may not bode well for the bouncer.

But yes, there can be a benefit to tipping everyone. What I hate is when I'm asked for a tip. Hey, I'm not arguing, there's more than one way to look at things. Thanks for your viewpoint.

[Wleakr]

Bouncers are people, too.

Chicago club views.

Chicago is not a great stripclub city. For the amount of money you would need to burn to have a decent time, those clubs should treat you well.

[TheRick]

Got a text from Stormi at the FC and I don't ever remember meeting her. Anyone else get a text from her? Anyone have any information on her performance at the FC?

Update: a few more texts and it's someone I've met before but not at FC so that threw me off

[Chimil Detin]

If you're willing to allow yourself to be ripped off to maintain "good will" you may be "rewarded" with a free over-priced drink, as long as you tip the bouncer. I see no reason to tip a bouncer. They are not there for your convenience, they're there to protect the dancers, so it's the dancers who need to tip them. They help dancers rip-off customers. I would have told the dancer "nice try honey, it was one song and a crappy dance so be happy witb your $30" and walked out. But wait, I just remembered, they have my car keys. Was your free drink worth $30? You seem to think so, it wouldn't be for me. I can afford $30, I just don't like being viewed as a punk who allows himself to be shaken down.

Bouncers are people, too.

Sometimes, you don't even have to give them a tip. Sometimes, they're happy if you just recognize they're a person doing a kinda boring job that usually gets ignored and, ya know, you just talk to them if you have a few seconds on the way in / out or if there isn't a dancer you're tracking that moment. "Tigers going to turn things around at some point?

There are more ways a bouncer can be helpful than just a drink. There are a few clubs in Chicago where I'm known enough by the staff such that the following happens:

1. I don't have to pay cover.

2. They pretty much just direct my favorite dancers to me as soon as they see me, which saves time and hassle.

3. Chicago clubs often have VIP areas where better talent circulates exclusively and is more apt to sit and talk with you for a while. Sometimes those areas even have their own separate, nicer lapper rooms and bars. I'm usually allowed to just meander in and out of those VIP areas without question.

4. I have one club where a dancer probably gets away with more than she should with me, but because we do dances often enough, and the staff sees us together so often, they don't blink an eye when I'm with her and let it slide -- which, in a place like Chicago that's more restrictive than Detroit, is saying something.

5. It's just nice to have a familiar face who knows your name, remembers who you are and asks how you're doing. One Chicago floor manager is a big baseball fan, as am I, so he likes to chat about the Yankees when he isn't busy. Honestly, as someone who pretty much knows which talent I'm going to see or not see, it's better to talk about Aaron Judge than just stare off into the distance with a drink in my hand while I'm waiting for someone.

Now yeah, some conversation with a tip is probably more welcome than conversation without it. But even if it's just a buck or two, the guy most people either pass like a dirty shirt or only interact with when they're doing something wrong will be as, if not more, appreciative of that tip than most dancers, and if you're a face he sees somewhat often, there's a good chance he'll remember and try to think of ways he can treat you nicely down the line in return.

It just breaks down to being a somewhat decent person generally to everyone -- dancers, bouncers, etc. Yes, some people are out to screw you, and you have to be careful with them. But most aren't.

Maybe, just maybe, people who are kind, easy-going and not fighting over every dollar and little thing have fewer issues with staff, valets, them holding onto your keys, etc. , because staff has fewer issues with them and they're less of a PITA for everyone surrounding them. Just a thought.

[SamPerkins420]

Hi everyone, sorry if I'm posting this in the wrong place. But I'm a guy in the Metro Detroit area looking for some extras. Just how do you go about getting them? I was thinking maybe getting a few dances from a girl and asking about the VIP during then. I've also head that LS, FC, Silver Criket, are good places to go for that sorta thing. Any suggestions as what clubs to go to? Asking for a friend.

You literally just spelled out exactly how it works.

[CommonSteve666]

Hi everyone, sorry if I'm posting this in the wrong place. But I'm a guy in the Metro Detroit area looking for some extras. Just how do you go about getting them? I was thinking maybe getting a few dances from a girl and asking about the VIP during then. I've also head that LS, FC, Silver Criket, are good places to go for that sorta thing. Any suggestions as what clubs to go to? Asking for a friend.

Since you're asking for a friend, tell your friend to post what he's looking for, budget, when he plans to go, etc. Someone should be able to help him.

[Pussylicker2]

Just a thought, but "befriending" a security person or manager can go a long way. I had a silly experience with a gal (can't remember name) at FC. She tried to charge me for 2-dances when only 1 was performed, as she was awful.

I had spoken with the Main Security Person on Day Shift, Brian in the past. He is shorter, stocky & muscular with short hair. Previously I had complimented him on the Club in general, and I could tell it was much appreciated. After this "bad experience" I explained my version to him, and while I knew he believed me, I apologized, told him it was silly and that I was embarrassed to even be involved with such a horrible dancer, and gladly gave up the extra $30 simply to maintain good will. After this the Manger came over, and introduced himself, and insisted upon buying me a drink for the hassle.

This was a couple months ago, and to this day, when ever I am there, the Mgr. Still makes a point to come up and shake my hand and greet me, and has bought me a couple of drinks. Also, I have tipped Brian a couple times, and should I go to VIP (usually downstairs where he stands) he will only charge me ONCE for the VIP fee.

At this point I'm almost grateful that this awful dancer, who is no longer there, pulled this crap, as it has only shown me to be a good customer, and pays dividends even today.

If you're willing to allow yourself to be ripped off to maintain "good will" you may be "rewarded" with a free over-priced drink, as long as you tip the bouncer. I see no reason to tip a bouncer. They are not there for your convenience, they're there to protect the dancers, so it's the dancers who need to tip them. They help dancers rip-off customers. I would have told the dancer "nice try honey, it was one song and a crappy dance so be happy witb your $30" and walked out. But wait, I just remembered, they have my car keys. Was your free drink worth $30? You seem to think so, it wouldn't be for me. I can afford $30, I just don't like being viewed as a punk who allows himself to be shaken down.

[Chimil Detin]

Always curious / interested when I read posts like these. IMHO, many of the women who work in clubs are perfectly clear about how they make a living. I think they are almost able to "justify" in their minds what goes on in the VIP, by arguing that they are working in a Club not acting as Escorts or Prostitutes, who are somehow lower in their view.

What ever gets them thru the night is fine by me, I'm certainly not going to look down upon them for how they choose to entertain.

Interesting how you put it: You say dancers see escorts & prostitutes as somehow lower, then you say you won't look down upon them for that. To "look down upon" someone is a use of the same idea; you'd be looking down because they're lower somehow. So you're choosing not to look down on someone for looking down on someone.

I'm of the opinion we shouldn't really look down on anyone else who's doing what they can to make a living without hurting anyone else. I look down upon those who look down upon other people in that way. Both ways are ways to make a living. I don't have a problem with either.

If anything, I have as much of a problem with the dancer who looks down on the escorts or prostitutes as I do society generally looking down on sex workers of all types. I'd like to see it all destigmatized. It doesn't help when people in the industry commit what amounts to in-industry put-downs. It's silly to me and I'd have taken issue with the dancer in the original post in part because I'd like to take issue with everyone who puts all of the above, dancers, escorts, prostitutes, whatever, down, but it's a lot easier to do it with someone who does what amounts to the same thing.

[Escentia]

Hi everyone, sorry if I'm posting this in the wrong place. But I'm a guy in the Metro Detroit area looking for some extras. Just how do you go about getting them? I was thinking maybe getting a few dances from a girl and asking about the VIP during then. I've also head that LS, FC, Silver Criket, are good places to go for that sorta thing. Any suggestions as what clubs to go to? Asking for a friend.

[BobbieBoucher]

I agree. Back when I was a regular of a club I was tight with the manager. I used to say: You know what I like send someone over. He would pick one of his best girls and there would be no issues. Trust me, the manager already knows who the problem girls are it won't take much to have him on your side.

Just a thought, but "befriending" a security person or manager can go a long way. I had a silly experience with a gal (can't remember name) at FC. She tried to charge me for 2-dances when only 1 was performed, as she was awful.

I had spoken with the Main Security Person on Day Shift, Brian in the past. He is shorter, stocky & muscular with short hair. Previously I had complimented him on the Club in general, and I could tell it was much appreciated. After this "bad experience" I explained my version to him, and while I knew he believed me, I apologized, told him it was silly and that I was embarrassed to even be involved with such a horrible dancer, and gladly gave up the extra $30 simply to maintain good will. After this the Manger came over, and introduced himself, and insisted upon buying me a drink for the hassle.

This was a couple months ago, and to this day, when ever I am there, the Mgr. Still makes a point to come up and shake my hand and greet me, and has bought me a couple of drinks. Also, I have tipped Brian a couple times, and should I go to VIP (usually downstairs where he stands) he will only charge me ONCE for the VIP fee.

At this point I'm almost grateful that this awful dancer, who is no longer there, pulled this crap, as it has only shown me to be a good customer, and pays dividends even today.

[Stewy56]

Blue, was working at LS on a Tuesday back in March of this year.

Blue-Nina very talented oral skills.

[XaDudeX]

Bogarts day. Anyone know where Alanna and Grace went?

Thinking about making a trip to Henry's in the day. Who should I be on the look out for? Nicole and who else?

[NorinRad]

Just a thought, but "befriending" a security person or manager can go a long way. I had a silly experience with a gal (can't remember name) at FC. She tried to charge me for 2-dances when only 1 was performed, as she was awful.

I had spoken with the Main Security Person on Day Shift, Brian in the past. He is shorter, stocky & muscular with short hair. Previously I had complimented him on the Club in general, and I could tell it was much appreciated. After this "bad experience" I explained my version to him, and while I knew he believed me, I apologized, told him it was silly and that I was embarrassed to even be involved with such a horrible dancer, and gladly gave up the extra $30 simply to maintain good will. After this the Manger came over, and introduced himself, and insisted upon buying me a drink for the hassle.

This was a couple months ago, and to this day, when ever I am there, the Mgr. Still makes a point to come up and shake my hand and greet me, and has bought me a couple of drinks. Also, I have tipped Brian a couple times, and should I go to VIP (usually downstairs where he stands) he will only charge me ONCE for the VIP fee.

At this point I'm almost grateful that this awful dancer, who is no longer there, pulled this crap, as it has only shown me to be a good customer, and pays dividends even today.

Playing some three-dimensional chess here, one of the admittedly difficult things about Detroit clubs is the fact a lot happens under the table. For the most part, that's good -- that's how dancers are able to provide services in Detroit you really struggle to find elsewhere in the Midwest. However, some dancers take advantage of that in a bad way.

Because so much is negotiated in Detroit between dancer and customer without club interaction, there's a line as to what issues you can take up with club management. Management will probably not intervene or acknowledge anything negotiated between dancer and customer, so you're on your own there. Dancers with ill intent, and they're out there, can take advantage of that. While my best clubbing experiences have been in Detroit, some of my worst have been, too. If she said I did six songs when I only got and paid for two, if I'm in the right, I know I can talk to the guy counting at the room door about that. If I pay up front for FS (bad idea), and she stops after two minutes of CBJ, that's a different story.

That said, management must have some knowledge of what goes on, and they also need to have a gauge on whether customers are happy or unhappy. For the most part, dancers see enough customers that reactions should have some consistency, even if the club doesn't know the details of every interaction. It's up to the staff and management to monitor that somewhat.