NoVA SugarBabies

**JonFisher** · 05-10-23 17:44

Originally Posted by DCKing [View Original Post]

I think I am done with seeking. I just don't get it. Seems a few guys had fun with this girl on this board. She gave me her real number and real phone number. Took me to what seemed like her real residence. Pics matched her. I broke the cardinal rule and paid upfront. She took the money and told me to wait for her to get her place ready. Maybe I am an easy target. Sucks! Happy to give her phone number out if anyone wants to fuck with her. Really disappointed. Didn't think with the right head since I was attracted to her.

I too had a bad experience and posted about her. But then another member on here saw her. So it kind of is strange. Wonder what is the criteria.

**Dimples572** · 05-10-23 16:55

Originally Posted by Tophat31 [View Original Post]

This is crazy, its never been this bad. If your are paying for this garbage then stop. You are ruining it.

Lmao. Talk about the epitome of a bullshit cut and paste response. She's got that one saved to her Notes app on her phone.

**Dimples572** · 05-10-23 16:52

Originally Posted by DCKing [View Original Post]

I think I am done with seeking. I just don't get it. Seems a few guys had fun with this girl on this board. She gave me her real number and real phone number. Took me to what seemed like her real residence. Pics matched her. I broke the cardinal rule and paid upfront. She took the money and told me to wait for her to get her place ready. Maybe I am an easy target. Sucks! Happy to give her phone number out if anyone wants to fuck with her. Really disappointed. Didn't think with the right head since I was attracted to her.

Wow. I've been texting with her on and off for weeks but she's been flakey af. We were actually supposed to meet up today but she wanted me to come to Manassas but I told her nah, I'd rather Uber her to me. She said fine but then she just went dark on me but I couldn't figure out WTF her deal was. Maybe that's why. If I don't come to her she can't run her little scam.

**FarFarAway** · 05-10-23 16:41

Originally Posted by FogHorn1 [View Original Post]

About the dinner. That can get sideways quickly. When I first started in the bowl I had no idea what I was doing and maybe the second or third person I met was Nothing like her pics. Not even sure it was her TBH. But I got there first, and had already ordered a drink and started a tab and the had to suffer through dinner with her. It was miserable. I learned a lesson from that. Don't start a tab before you see her so you can simply bail if needed, etc. I will also always get there first, and let the server know it's a blind date and that I might have to bail without notice. I typically slip them a 20 and let them know it's a tip just in case I walk out when she walks in. In any case, agreeing to dinner for a M&G is risky, even if she looks like her pics, she could just be an awful human and dinner can be expensive AND annoying.

Doesn't anybody do phone calls w / POTs? Surely some of that 'awful human' stuff would be detected in a phone call. Another reason to do one. There are plenty of young ones who think they can do an arrangement, but don't actually have the guts. Those lead to no-shows at the M&G. That is why I always do a call first. If I cannot get a girl to agree to talk to me on the phone, why would I expect her to get in her car and drive someplace to meet me?

**Ichrequiend** · 05-10-23 16:20

I have to agree with the cost of time to find someone on this app. It is excruciating. I did find that some things helped though:

1) Mention intimacy to some degree in your profile but don't be explicit about it. This ruled out all of the "I'm only looking for a platonic relationship" crazies in the app.

2) Don't drag the conversation for too long on the app. I found out that most women will ghost you after a certain point. I usually talk to them about something on their profile or their experiences on the app. By message 5 ask for their number. If they don't have a number is probably a scam.

3) As soon as you are texting, ask that you want to meet. Don't say sex or anything yet, unless you know for sure they are dtf on the first date. Some women can be very upfront but many times those are scammers. If they ask for money just say that drinks are on you but no money until you meet in person.

It is a number game after all. From around 100 people I contacted in one month:

- around 40 replied.

- 9 did not have a number or wanted money for online content.

- 3 were very clearly escorts (they usually sent their rates on the first couple of texts and asked if I was available now. Some used the same number as their listings).

- 1 deactivated their account or blocked me before I got their number.

- 5 ghosted while messaging in app.

- 10 did not want to meet after talking about expectations (money, sex, location, my time availability, etc).

- 6 I have met with.

- 1 said she only wanted something platonic (I changed my process after this).

- 1 wanted me to invest in her business and only then would consider intimacy.

- 1 I traveled to Fredericksburg to see and it was totally worth it but that was a one and done.

- 3 I keep in my hoetation.

I was very careful at only talking to people in a 20 mile radius who had good pictures and information on their profile. The one exception is the Fredericksburg girl who really talked me up and looked extra fine in her pictures.

**DCKing** · 05-10-23 15:26

I think I am done with seeking. I just don't get it. Seems a few guys had fun with this girl on this board. She gave me her real number and real phone number. Took me to what seemed like her real residence. Pics matched her. I broke the cardinal rule and paid upfront. She took the money and told me to wait for her to get her place ready. Maybe I am an easy target. Sucks! Happy to give her phone number out if anyone wants to fuck with her. Really disappointed. Didn't think with the right head since I was attracted to her.

**Member #7156** · 05-10-23 14:02

I agree with a lot of people that the hit rate on SA recently has been noticeably worse for me. I have had most of my success in the last year or so by just cold texting and reconnecting with old SBs, even one from 5+ years ago. The best thing about that is they all just continue at the rate from way back then versus the inflated rate today. Might be worth a shot for some who have been doing this awhile.

**Tophat31** · 05-10-23 13:57

This is crazy, its never been this bad. If your are paying for this garbage then stop. You are ruining it.

**Member #7156** · 05-10-23 13:56

By the way, if you block a profile, or you're blocked, you can still get the profile link. Just click a link to their profile by clicking the "blocked" image in your list of messages. It will bring you to the "Profile Not Available" page, but the URL in your browser will be the URL for their profile, so you can still just copy and paste that here, even though you can't access their profile.

**Tophat31** · 05-10-23 12:59

Originally Posted by FogHorn1 [View Original Post]

In no world would I pay for a meet and greet, it's just not happening. If that ever comes up I generally just say I'm happy to pay for drinks (and a meal on a VERY rare occasion, but I don't advise that either). Then I let them know respectfully that I recognize it takes her time to get ready, etc. And appreciate that time is money, and her time is valuable. And then I let her know I bill clients at 450/ hr and my time is as valuable as hers so it's a risk / investment for both of us to spend the time to see if we're a match. If they can't see this as such, I pass.

This is basically a job interview for them, no other employer is going to pay them to interview for a position, and neither am I.

About the dinner. That can get sideways quickly. When I first started in the bowl I had no idea what I was doing and maybe the second or third person I met was Nothing like her pics. Not even sure it was her TBH. But I got there first, and had already ordered a drink and started a tab and the had to suffer through dinner with her. It was miserable. I learned a lesson from that. Don't start a tab before you see her so you can simply bail if needed, etc. I will also always get there first, and let the server know it's a blind date and that I might have to bail without notice. I typically slip them a 20 and let them know it's a tip just in case I walk out when she walks in. In any case, agreeing to dinner for a M&G is risky, even if she looks like her pics, she could just be an awful human and dinner can be expensive AND annoying.

CarribeanPrincess.

Is this the girl sparking all this convo? I thought I had my new sb, conversation was great, moved along to text, very open to terms. When intimacy came up, she said that's not an automatic thing for her. So I suggested a MandG to see if we vibe and made it clear I'd pay for coffee / drinks, but nothing more since that meeting is to explore if an arrangement is possible. She made it clear that she would need to be paid since she has to do makeup and look nice. Apparently people need to be paid for that now. I said goodbye.

I've done probably a dozen non-paid MandGs over the years and all but 2 led to long term arrangements. If they request that, it's actually a great sign bc it shows you are getting a true non pro. Never ever pay though.

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...2-79069276798e

**FogHorn1** · 05-10-23 09:00

Originally Posted by SupplyCloset [View Original Post]

I know the general wisdom is not to pay for a meet & greet date, but has anyone ever done it anyway and ended up in a solid, consistent arrangement? There are a few potentials that I'd really like to meet but they want 1-200 to meet for dinner first. They can't all be scammers, can they?

In no world would I pay for a meet and greet, it's just not happening. If that ever comes up I generally just say I'm happy to pay for drinks (and a meal on a VERY rare occasion, but I don't advise that either). Then I let them know respectfully that I recognize it takes her time to get ready, etc. And appreciate that time is money, and her time is valuable. And then I let her know I bill clients at 450/ hr and my time is as valuable as hers so it's a risk / investment for both of us to spend the time to see if we're a match. If they can't see this as such, I pass.

This is basically a job interview for them, no other employer is going to pay them to interview for a position, and neither am I.

About the dinner. That can get sideways quickly. When I first started in the bowl I had no idea what I was doing and maybe the second or third person I met was Nothing like her pics. Not even sure it was her TBH. But I got there first, and had already ordered a drink and started a tab and the had to suffer through dinner with her. It was miserable. I learned a lesson from that. Don't start a tab before you see her so you can simply bail if needed, etc. I will also always get there first, and let the server know it's a blind date and that I might have to bail without notice. I typically slip them a 20 and let them know it's a tip just in case I walk out when she walks in. In any case, agreeing to dinner for a M&G is risky, even if she looks like her pics, she could just be an awful human and dinner can be expensive AND annoying.

**Tophat31** · 05-10-23 08:22

A year ago my ho team was 5 strong. Five months ago I was down to one so I went back on SA and found a new member, cute 22 yr old but I suspect she was high volume. Anyways she got crazy on me so I'm back on. Some throwaways.

Geekvenus.

Stunningly Beautiful, smart, good convo. So of course she wants 2. 5 k a month that disperses weekly into her bank account. Will not budge. Pass.

https://members.seeking.com/member/0...f-7f070e9cf9f4

Savannah.

This one was weird. She asks if I can get her a job and gives me a rundown of her experience, unsolicited. Asked her if she instead wanted an arrangement then crickets.

https://members.seeking.com/member/8...3-d7410e7d2afb

NaughtNurseLauren.

Quick to go to text, which is fine sometimes that works or great. Then proceeds to send me a video of her of a black girl saying that it is her. Her seeking photos though are of a white girl. Pass.

https://members.seeking.com/member/9...2-ab50209c52a1

24 kcherry. No link bc I blocked her.

This one is crazy. Went to text and she was saying how she needs to be taken out to fancy restaurants a few times a week so that she knows she can "count on" that person. This also includes regular weekend getaways. Umm no.

Sarabay26 - again blocked.

Seemed like a good lead. Got her to text and started talking details and we agreed to terms. Then throws in that she needs to be paid up front for any meeting. So annoying, blocked.

Babylatina. Blocked.

Seemed like it could be good. Got her to text to talk financials and she said 250 for a meet and greet, then 700 for sex and covered. She then adds "we will fuck real nice" . Probably an escort. I instantly told her we aren't a match and good luck. She then calls my burner number! What the hell.

Sorry for no links and I realize it's not helpful later on if they change their I'd but I always block it it doesn't work out. I was falsely banned from SA and I suspect it's from a sore woman who was upset I didn't play along with the scam.

I have more bad ones but all blocked so no links. I can post though if people find it helpful.

I will say at first (meaning 2 days ago when I upgraded) I was pretty happy with the talent. I thought it was better than 5 months ago. But as I peel back the layers it gets more annoying. But this is a numbers game and takes time. I think I will find that new SB. Timing is a big part of it as well. Good luck.

**BuffBill75** · 05-10-23 08:20

Originally Posted by SupplyCloset [View Original Post]

I know the general wisdom is not to pay for a meet & greet date, but has anyone ever done it anyway and ended up in a solid, consistent arrangement? There are a few potentials that I'd really like to meet but they want 1-200 to meet for dinner first. They can't all be scammers, can they?

If a woman asks me for a M&G fee I usually pass on them. Chances are you'll get rinsed and if it does work out it's still a bad sign of things to come.

**DasHottCalla** · 05-09-23 19:32

Originally Posted by SupplyCloset [View Original Post]

I know the general wisdom is not to pay for a meet & greet date, but has anyone ever done it anyway and ended up in a solid, consistent arrangement? There are a few potentials that I'd really like to meet but they want 1-200 to meet for dinner first. They can't all be scammers, can they?

Have to agree with Rudy. You don't know if you'll vibe with this woman, she may not look like her photos, she may be glued to her phone all date, her breath may stink, she may be a complete idiot. Our time is infinitely more valuable than theirs, hence them being on SA in the first place. So why pay her just to on top of that pay for the date.

It's a losing game to pay for M&g. Pay for a great dinner and drinks. If she's not bs, she should be down for it.

**JonFisher** · 05-09-23 18:55

Originally Posted by SupplyCloset [View Original Post]

I know the general wisdom is not to pay for a meet & greet date, but has anyone ever done it anyway and ended up in a solid, consistent arrangement? There are a few potentials that I'd really like to meet but they want 1-200 to meet for dinner first. They can't all be scammers, can they?

Just think about it. She gets 5 guys to feed her and makes 1000 $ tax free. And how do you know she will sleep with you after the dinner date?

1. she likes you based on pics or FT or whatever, you have already told her that you would give allowance if she is DTF, then why the the dinner date money? If she says its for her time and effort. Well you also put ion the time and effort. Just saying think through the rationale why she is asking for money for dinner.