"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[FarFarAway]

You would lose that wager, because you do fail to understand the obvious about what a "simp" even is. It's not a rich guy who pays women to go to dinner....not even close. I'm not going to waste the time explaining it to you, because again, it is a fairly conventional and widely understood term, by everyone else. You live in a world in which simps do not exist, which is a fantasy world. I was speaking about reality, not fantasy.

Seriously, if there is a definition you use, beyond guys who pay girls an insane amount of money to do nothing, go for it. And as I said, the only place IK of where such a guy exists is in the mind of a crazed POT. I met a girl in Vegas a while back, she claimed she spent time w / an asian guy at something like a kilobuck or two per time, and all he really wanted was for her to hang around while he did drugs. I have no idea what she thought saying this would do in our negotiations, but for sure I didn't take it into account.

[OliverNP]

You just directly contradicted yourself.

Where exactly are you hoping to find a contradiction? To address the part I believe you're talking about, I said:

"knowing how to say the right things can get those $1 k girls down to the cost of dinner fairly regularly. "

Then later said:

"There are certainly some who are just high priced escorts and their GPS is not really up for negotiation, but when I sense that type I move on quickly. "

So unless someone is hoping to read something into it that meets their own agenda, it simply means that I fairly regularly get $1 k want to-be girls for cheap, but I am acknowledging that there are some girls out there who aren't worth trying to change.

There's nothing contradictory about that.

If you meant the part where I said "there is not really such a thing as a $1 k girl (referring to SBs, not escorts) at all"... I stand by it. They are not $1k girls, they all just think they are. It might be somewhat correct to say that they do become $1k girls temporarily, for the fleeting moment hour two that some idiot is in such sad shape that he's desperate enough to pay that. But that does not mean their true market value is $1k. No girl is worth $1k for a single fuck.

[OliverNP]

How much on average are you shelling out to vet on a dinner? $150-200? How often? 2-4 time per month?

Unless majority are keepers worthy of being added to your stable, that can be quite a bit of money to serve as a loss leader.

Maybe $165 on average, but it's usually only for the M&G, and since more than half the food and drink cost is for my own consumption (and I like good food), it has almost never turned out to be a bad investment.

[Peter Johnson]

Second, one should understand that there is not really such a thing as a $1 k girl at all. That is just the price she quotes to someone she didn't really want to fuck in the first place.

There are certainly some who are just high priced escorts and their GPS is not really up for negotiation

You just directly contradicted yourself. And of course there are sugarbabies who won't take less than $1 k. Not a high % of them, but of course they do exist. And no, they aren't all "high priced escorts". I hate to be so argumentative , but just have to call out some of the absurd claims being made here.

Anyway, there are certainly girls out of my price range, and a few of them certainly do get $1 k....and a few of those even deserve it. And there are guys who drive $2 million cars and that's fine too. I don't have to be in denial about any of that to be able to sleep at night, and still find some fun on Seeking.

[Peter Johnson]

I also fail to understand the persistence of the 'simp' meme. What do any of those posting about them know, for a fact, 'they' are doing? A significant factor I would wager on the persistence of this trope is envy of guys who do happen to have a lot of dough

You would lose that wager, because you do fail to understand the obvious about what a "simp" even is. It's not a rich guy who pays women to go to dinner....not even close. I'm not going to waste the time explaining it to you, because again, it is a fairly conventional and widely understood term, by everyone else. You live in a world in which simps do not exist, which is a fantasy world. I was speaking about reality, not fantasy.

[NewAnonymousName]

You can also use whatsapp. Manually add the SB's phone number as a contact and her info will show up if she is registered.

Be careful with WhatsApp to go to settings and have it not display the phone number you used to register for the app.

[LouisHernandez]

There is some truth in what you are saying, but I seriously doubt you are regularly getting the $1 k girls down to $50. Maybe 2% of the time, but not "regularly". Unless you are super good looking, where they would do you for free, and then doesn't matter much what you said to them.

Anyway, if you enjoy taking absurd long shots, then go for it, and I know from experience that some (more like 1 out of 100) do pay off, but it's usually a waste of time, just like playing the lottery.

Yep same here. Time isn't free, I only have so much of my life I can or want to invest in the bowl honestly, so I pick and choose which SBs I chat up by playing the odds, and spend the rest of my free time doing something I actually enjoy.

[LouisHernandez]

I'm a rookie at that app. It can actually be used for some reconnaissance if you have a number? I had no idea. I just figured it would leave a paper trail on my end, but it may be worth downloading just to check numbers out.

You can also use whatsapp. Manually add the SB's phone number as a contact and her info will show up if she is registered.

[AmpFanatl]

How much on average are you shelling out to vet on a dinner? $150-200? How often? 2-4 time per month?

Unless majority are keepers worthy of being added to your stable, that can be quite a bit of money to serve as a loss leader.

This is one of the reasons I like to do coffee meet and greets. Easy, cheap and quicker way to determine if they are worth the time / funds to be added to the roster. It also has the added benefit of coming across as a guy looking for "more than just sex" in their head.

While we know all we want is to get their panties down.

[FarFarAway]

First, dinner with me is never $50. Including drinks at a nice place and the tip alone might be thirty bucks. If anyone is trying to take a hot girl out to eat where the total bill is $50 that's a big part of why they aren't finding success. Second, one should understand that there is not really such a thing as a $1 k girl at all. That is just the price she quotes to someone she didn't really want to fuck in the first place. The art is in being someone she does want to fuck. Being attractive (and tremendously important, physically fit) for ones age indeed goes along way but there is much more to being skilled in handling women than just looks.

There are certainly some who are just high priced escorts and their GPS is not really up for negotiation, but when I sense that type I move on quickly.

You took the words right out of my mouth. Absolutely. Negotiating w / someone over the internet is never never never the way to get a great girl for something reasonable.

I also fail to understand the persistence of the 'simp' meme. What do any of those posting about them know, for a fact, 'they' are doing? A significant factor I would wager on the persistence of this trope is envy of guys who do happen to have a lot of dough, I mean really a lot, and failure to get really top notch SBs (which I definitely have, and I have posted detailed information about on this site).

[Wleakr]

First, dinner with me is never $50. Including drinks at a nice place and the tip alone might be thirty bucks. If anyone is trying to take a hot girl out to eat where the total bill is $50 that's a big part of why they aren't finding success. Second, one should understand that there is not really such a thing as a $1 k girl at all. That is just the price she quotes to someone she didn't really want to fuck in the first place. The art is in being someone she does want to fuck. Being attractive (and tremendously important, physically fit) for ones age indeed goes along way but there is much more to being skilled in handling women than just looks.

There are certainly some who are just high priced escorts and their GPS is not really up for negotiation, but when I sense that type I move on quickly.

How much on average are you shelling out to vet on a dinner? $150-200? How often? 2-4 time per month?

Unless majority are keepers worthy of being added to your stable, that can be quite a bit of money to serve as a loss leader.

[OliverNP]

There is some truth in what you are saying, but I seriously doubt you are regularly getting the $1 k girls down to $50. Maybe 2% of the time, but not "regularly". Unless you are super good looking, where they would do you for free, and then doesn't matter much what you said to them.

Anyway, if you enjoy taking absurd long shots, then go for it, and I know from experience that some (more like 1 out of 100) do pay off, but it's usually a waste of time, just like playing the lottery.

First, dinner with me is never $50. Including drinks at a nice place and the tip alone might be thirty bucks. If anyone is trying to take a hot girl out to eat where the total bill is $50 that's a big part of why they aren't finding success. Second, one should understand that there is not really such a thing as a $1 k girl at all. That is just the price she quotes to someone she didn't really want to fuck in the first place. The art is in being someone she does want to fuck. Being attractive (and tremendously important, physically fit) for ones age indeed goes along way but there is much more to being skilled in handling women than just looks.

There are certainly some who are just high priced escorts and their GPS is not really up for negotiation, but when I sense that type I move on quickly.

[Peter Johnson]

From the sound of it she wants a large deposit before meeting in person.

I didn't even think of that, but of course that is likely the case. Or she wants multiple lucrative dinner dates, without possibly doing anything sexual (and would likely never happen). And maybe there is a large enough pool of simps (and "findom" masochists) to have this strategy pay her rent every month, but definitely not for me.

[Peter Johnson]

knowing how to say the right things can get those $1 k girls down to the cost of dinner fairly regularly..

There is some truth in what you are saying, but I seriously doubt you are regularly getting the $1 k girls down to $50. Maybe 2% of the time, but not "regularly". Unless you are super good looking, where they would do you for free, and then doesn't matter much what you said to them.

Anyway, if you enjoy taking absurd long shots, then go for it, and I know from experience that some (more like 1 out of 100) do pay off, but it's usually a waste of time, just like playing the lottery.

[OliverNP]

I agree. Even without the line about not wanting guys focused on sex, this profile would have been a no go for me. The line about not meeting until there is a bond or trust, to me, is a glaring red flag that she wants money to chat online. I always move on from profiles that say anything like that.

I get what you're saying, but I would have lost out on a lot of cheap or free pussy if I ignored those types of profiles and didn't chat them up a little. These girls have their own forums and assuming a certain level of literacy, they understand the monger-perspective of what an SB should be and many of them are aware of this forum and want to filter out what they consider to be "creeps".

Trust me I get it, I want convenient sex too, but the tradeoff of convenience has always been less options, higher traffic pussy, or a higher price point (or some combination of all of the above).

What has always been the crux of the sugaring lifestyle is the wide range of variance between convenience and cost. A little investment in game, knowing how women think and knowing how to say the right things can get those $1 k girls down to the cost of dinner fairly regularly. But it is an investment, and time is money too, so as always YMMV and weigh options carefully.