Sugarbabies?

[Bedtime Story]

In thinking about the purpose of the forum here on this thread I will share what I have found in honor of Bam. Even though he surfs a different site than me, I still find his updates and insight in sorting scams, rinsers, fakes, etc. Very helpful. In crossing over from the escort threads on trying to find the right little bunny rabbit for me to the sugar baby scene.

1st is cost differential. The investment of credits verses returns can vary wildly. The education from this thread has saved me alot. My education from the school of hard knocks has been expensive and frustrating at times. First and formost, the little guy cannot be allowed to make any more decisions past the first profile review of " I'd tap that". LOL, this can be an expensive lesson. The level of profiles that are scams and cons are very high. The websites typically have a certain rate of NPC's, LOL. The website staff create a percentage of fake profiles to lure more guys into spending credits. A lot of these (not all) is the messages / contacts that reach out to you, you spend credits to reply / open the message, and never hear from again.

As in any vice, the sites are full of phishing scams / profiles. They are trying to get your personal info to re-sell on the dark web as verified info (gets a higher price).

Bam helps by sharing the knowledge of the scams / fakes / rinsers. I think that I would like to start sharing on what I know.

https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/...ba90c1e55af9d1

She's real, will meet but very sketchy on what her ppm is. If you want to meet, you have to be ready to meet now, not schedule for later.

https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/...65f7e35a61cce2

She's real but definitely has GPS syndrome, too rich for my budget.

https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/...b11ba9d234c51c

Haven't tried to contact this one, but recognize her photos from the escort sites, so probably semi-pro.

https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/...2c57de26ce9af9

She's real but online only. No meets.

https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/...b6f253f22cce9f

I think she is real, but sketchy in her replies and set up to meet. High probability of drug use.

Will post more as my list developes.

BTS.

[Bedtime Story]

I never message until they have been there a long time and also shared their private pics or visited my profile or I find some way to confirm they are real. It is too easy to waste credits on attractive profiles that never answer back. It is also the case that a lot of the profiles are based on real people but never answer any message.
BAM.

I've learned not to reply to messages unless they have viewed my profile. My profile is pretty direct on what I am looking for. Doesn't eliminate all waste, but cuts it down a lot.

BTS.

[Bedtime Story]

That's an odd profile name.

BAM.

Caught my eye. LOL.

She messaged me, hasn't replied yet.

[BamBam]

Does anybody have any experience with this one?

https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/...6a046d841e0484

I have not approached her. I made her a favorite which let's her know I am interested. I never message until they have been there a long time and also shared their private pics or visited my profile or I find some way to confirm they are real. It is too easy to waste credits on attractive profiles that never answer back. It is also the case that a lot of the profiles are based on real people but never answer any message. That's an odd profile name.

BAM.

[Bedtime Story]

Does anybody have any experience with this one?

https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/...6a046d841e0484

[Bedtime Story]

... It is ridiculous seeing all the demands right now even with fat chicks.

Your right, but I've noticed fat chicks do more.

Lmao, just saying.

[Prat652]

I am in my 50's, and I've hobbied off and on since the 1990's. I think I can explain the current inflation, or at least part of it.

Things are bad now because the hobby is affected by the overall economy. You've heard the news: Right now, labor of any kind is overpriced, and anyone who hires is paying more for less. Is there any reason why that shouldn't apply to the hobby, too?

Most of the current providers (and real sugar babies, for that matter) are older women who started prior to the pandemic. There is a minimal influx of young newbies, or even older newbies, for that matter. We have a labor supply problem, just like Home Depot and your local restaurant.

The hobby has always been very cyclical. In the early 2000's, when unemployment was around 3. 5%, people were paying $400 for obese / old providers who primarily advertised on a now defunct message board. I about gave up on the hobby altogether around 2006.

Then the financial meltdown happened in 2007 to 2008. In 2011 and 2012, I was getting bonafide college chicks on Seeking (then Seeking Arrangements) for $200. The good times continued through about 2016, and had a slow taper off from 2017 until 2020.

I am in reasonably good shape for a middle age man, and I have good social skills. But I'm very average looking and well under six feet tall. I do horribly on apps like Tinder and Bumble.

I was landing hot college chicks in 2012 for $200 because supply and demand conditions were in my favor then. Now, however, you have too many guys chasing too few women, so prices are going up. And the quality is not so good, and selection is extremely limited. Even you guys who like older women: I'm sure you would like some choice beyond Natane Marie, Taylor Nikole, and other aging providers who have been around since 2009.

I don't want to see the economy implode just so we can get some better deals on women. But everyone agrees that the labor market has been in disequilibrium.

If you're following the news, though, the labor market is slowing, along with consumer demand. I'm holding on to my money until unemployment rises to 5 percent. That seems to be threshold (based on my 30+ years of observing the hobby) when enough new women enter the market to create an entirely new supply.

This, too, shall pass. But keep in mind: there will always be simps. There will always be guys who are so thirsty, that they'll pay $400 for a fat provider who is 40 years old. This was true in 2003, and it's true in 2023.

Don't be a simp, and don't overpay. That only hurts you, and other hobbyists. That's why I recently scolded the guys who were paying those traveling Ukrainians $500 for a non-FS HE.

Thanks for the detailed explanation. Wish I was Mongering around 2012. Maybe I will also hold onto my money and wait for the change to happen. It is ridiculous seeing all the demands right now even with fat chicks.

[Todd Cincy]

Some stupid / rich dudes (Not sure what I should call them) are feeding these chicks.

Even with a recession happening in the future I feel like rates won't come down and I am not sure how previous recessions affected the rates. However, with this online content and inflation sugar relationship is becoming more expensive for a sugar daddy.

I am in my 50's, and I've hobbied off and on since the 1990's. I think I can explain the current inflation, or at least part of it.

Things are bad now because the hobby is affected by the overall economy. You've heard the news: Right now, labor of any kind is overpriced, and anyone who hires is paying more for less. Is there any reason why that shouldn't apply to the hobby, too?

Most of the current providers (and real sugar babies, for that matter) are older women who started prior to the pandemic. There is a minimal influx of young newbies, or even older newbies, for that matter. We have a labor supply problem, just like Home Depot and your local restaurant.

The hobby has always been very cyclical. In the early 2000's, when unemployment was around 3. 5%, people were paying $400 for obese / old providers who primarily advertised on a now defunct message board. I about gave up on the hobby altogether around 2006.

Then the financial meltdown happened in 2007 to 2008. In 2011 and 2012, I was getting bonafide college chicks on Seeking (then Seeking Arrangements) for $200. The good times continued through about 2016, and had a slow taper off from 2017 until 2020.

I am in reasonably good shape for a middle age man, and I have good social skills. But I'm very average looking and well under six feet tall. I do horribly on apps like Tinder and Bumble.

I was landing hot college chicks in 2012 for $200 because supply and demand conditions were in my favor then. Now, however, you have too many guys chasing too few women, so prices are going up. And the quality is not so good, and selection is extremely limited. Even you guys who like older women: I'm sure you would like some choice beyond Natane Marie, Taylor Nikole, and other aging providers who have been around since 2009.

I don't want to see the economy implode just so we can get some better deals on women. But everyone agrees that the labor market has been in disequilibrium.

If you're following the news, though, the labor market is slowing, along with consumer demand. I'm holding on to my money until unemployment rises to 5 percent. That seems to be threshold (based on my 30+ years of observing the hobby) when enough new women enter the market to create an entirely new supply.

This, too, shall pass. But keep in mind: there will always be simps. There will always be guys who are so thirsty, that they'll pay $400 for a fat provider who is 40 years old. This was true in 2003, and it's true in 2023.

Don't be a simp, and don't overpay. That only hurts you, and other hobbyists. That's why I recently scolded the guys who were paying those traveling Ukrainians $500 for a non-FS HE.

[GameOverHcu]

https://members.seeking.com/member/7...a-b7c262fde59d

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...0-1fb76dde5424

Seems like Galla chicks. These two are asking for $600 each and way GPS attitude. Some stupid / rich dudes (Not sure what I should call them) are feeding these chicks..

I know them IRL. I know about their past arrangements. Dated one and hooked up with the other. As far as arrangements go. You're looking mid-high 5 figures yearly allowance wise for something steady. Both are obtainable for free if you're good looking / wealthy / or prominent enough. But yes, both Galla girls. Run in a certain circle. Not going to have a lot of luck PPM wise.

[Anvil]

Chatting and she is pressing for a meet. Any info?

https://members.seeking.com/member/7...6-236f4184013e

[Member #6847]

https://members.seeking.com/member/3...6-9b04c9ac6ecd (She is only looking for paid platonic dinners only and it seems like she is getting it though watching from her snap stories / pics. People have a lot of money and time these days for paying platonic shit).

Being paid for dinner only is definitely a thing. There are some older SDs who are less interested in the sex part or may even have ED issues. I can't imagine this is sustainable tho.

[https://members.seeking.com/member/0...c-07ca4b0545e3 (Met her and had a really good experience. Not my go-to type of chick but with the conditions currently I have to drop my standards but I had a great time in bed with her. Don't bombard her with messages she is a good one please be respectful. Damages $200 PPM).

I've done worse on Seeking for $200. LOL.

[Prat652]

https://members.seeking.com/member/7...a-b7c262fde59d

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...0-1fb76dde5424

Seems like Galla chicks. These two are asking for $600 each and way GPS attitude. Some stupid / rich dudes (Not sure what I should call them) are feeding these chicks.

Even with a recession happening in the future I feel like rates won't come down and I am not sure how previous recessions affected the rates. However, with this online content and inflation sugar relationship is becoming more expensive for a sugar daddy.

https://members.seeking.com/member/5...7-bf212f6ce7b3($500 PPM minimum has restrictions) (She is real though).

Even the below chicks are having higher quotes:

https://members.seeking.com/member/2...2-2112fb9e089a ($500 PPM minimum).

https://members.seeking.com/member/8...8-dd8d8c722458 ($500 - 600 PPM).

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...3-ce3866f0e046 (High GPS and demands 1 k PPM).

https://members.seeking.com/member/5...f-8d4ad583cdfa ($600 PPM).

Online / Fakes:

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...5-6aa3f7629111

https://members.seeking.com/member/a...9-ab9ffb4032ad

https://members.seeking.com/member/9...5-37668ccdade0

https://members.seeking.com/member/7...c-0cfe963ebb52(Racist chick be careful).

Real but platonic / Online sellers.

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...d-f5716520136c (Real but doesn't meet. Waste of time). She is very active in seeking seems like she is getting some bucks for her onlinestuff.

https://members.seeking.com/member/3...6-9b04c9ac6ecd (She is only looking for paid platonic dinners only and it seems like she is getting it though watching from her snap stories / pics. People have a lot of money and time these days for paying platonic shit).

Positive one:

https://members.seeking.com/member/0...c-07ca4b0545e3 (Met her and had a really good experience. Not my go-to type of chick but with the conditions currently I have to drop my standards but I had a great time in bed with her. Don't bombard her with messages she is a good one please be respectful. Damages $200 PPM).

[NapataJohn]

Recall her being a player. Fleeces guys she isn't interested in. Pro SB. Been using the same pics for a long while. May be dated. Profile pic was taken on steps leading up to Newport On The Levee. Go for it. Maybe you will get lucky.

Let us see what she comes out with.

[WanderingAbout]

Any Intel on her.
https://members.seeking.com/member/9...3-0ab9dff630cd

Recall her being a player. Fleeces guys she isn't interested in. Pro SB. Been using the same pics for a long while. May be dated. Profile pic was taken on steps leading up to Newport On The Levee. Go for it. Maybe you will get lucky.

[RascalRooster]

Yup. Seeking needs this SB feature. Check out this plot twist with Erynbarbie on SB. Video vs glam pics. Yikes!

https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/...b84cb593b6f9c3

This is the one that jumped out to me too, talk about deep fake!