Streetwalker Reports

[Grain 56]

The Biggest Golf Event of the Year is in town this week. That may explain some of the heat turned up in the South End of the Trail.

Uncle seems to be doing some other clean up as well. For example, there is a family with 2 small children that literally have taken up "camp" in the swale along Sand Lake Road near the Publix on the West side of the road near Dr. Phillips. They have a large make-shift shelter made from various coverings set up on the swale and have been living there for months and months. They probably make big bank from donations of caring citizens, especially with all the upscale patrons that frequent that area. Anyway, unless I missed them being out there today when I passed by, I didn't see them or their tent. They were there earlier this week. I saw them twice. Quite odd.

My guess, knowing that the PGA is in town this coming week and Orlando will be on the World Stage (in that very same general area) plus knowing that some of the most high-end and popular restaurants are on that very strip, where they have their colorful shelter built along the road, is that they have been conveniently relocated. Maybe to an actual hotel for a period of time, all to get them from shedding such a horrible light on that high-end area for all to see.

Anyway, it's a big event week here in the city beautiful. Uncle usually sets up shop and many times goes after the providers as well as the mongers before and during the event. Stay safe, mind your P's & Q's.

Gran 56.

[Grain 56]

Was out yesterday (Saturday) from around 3 pm till 7, from consulate to Americana. Made a number of passes and saw absolutely nothing. Checked all the normal spots in that stretch. Even the mall area and was dry. The blatant half dressed walkers we have become accustomed to are MIA. The Walmart area saw one girl squatting on side walk near gas station relieving herself. Not exactly a turn on, well at least not for me. Scat does not excite me.

Saw very little if any LEO's so can't understand where have all the SW's gone?

Other than it was mid-day during the dog-days of summer-like weather we are having, there is no real reason the Greater Mall area wasn't busier unless the new enforcement is to blame. The WM area and the NQ have been meh at best of late already.

The county charge of "loitering for unlawful purposes" is working it appears, down near the mall anyway, based on your observations. Once the Texas and Cali Girls aka the BCBJC Members catch wind that Uncle is hitting them back with petty charges, they may be less likely to come out. Making them take a limo ride, pay check-out fees to leave, then be expected to show up for a time share presentation at a future date, isn't sitting well. Even if the charges are bogus, they still have to go through the motions and risk a FTA charge later on if they don't show up for the first bogus charge date. That of course, if the charges aren't already dropped by then.

I am not aware of any of those loitering for UP charges (as well as the uptick in the "remaining in a place for prost" charges) taking place outside of the Greater Mall area. They seem to leaving the NQ and North alone.

The 20's and 40's Streets have been a little lighter in attendance, but they are still out there.

As far as worrying about dudes getting that same charge for just driving by or by talking to someone, I haven't seen a single male charged with that county charge. Yet. What this uptick in activity does show though is that they are definitely watching the activities of the blatant SWs in the South part of the Trail. I think it was mentioned earlier, I am sure the businesses have been complaining, plus Spring Break is just around the corner and you know the Mouse and Wizard want your hard earned money to be spent on family entertainment inside their respective walls, not out on OBT. LOL.

The local tax money being wasted on all the "free" legal help, room, board, etc. For all these out of town ne'er-do-wells will eventually be called out as well, as was mentioned. I am sure once they get zero guilty results or fines paid for dozens and dozens of arrests.

Grain 56.

[MongerSeeker]

Also if you are stopped only say that you were offer her a ride. Do say anything or exp; ain further. Just remember you are innocent until proven guilty. The police or the prosecutor cannot prove otherwise unless you admit to it for loiteing.

If you are stopped for loitering. Just tell him you just stopped to offer her a ride. LE cannot arrest you and make it stick if you tell the. It is your right to offer a ride regardless if she is a SW or not. There is case law that backs this up.

[AhBigDrew]

Christina will be out between BK and wawa. Seniors can get #.

[NotACop1]

Was out yesterday (Saturday) from around 3 pm till 7, from consulate to Americana. Made a number of passes and saw absolutely nothing. Checked all the normal spots in that stretch. Even the mall area and was dry. The blatant half dressed walkers we have become accustomed to are MIA. The Walmart area saw one girl squatting on side walk near gas station relieving herself. Not exactly a turn on, well at least not for me. Scat does not excite me.

Saw very little if any LEO's so can't understand where have all the SW's gone?

[MongerSeeker]

If you are stopped for loitering. Just tell him you just stopped to offer her a ride. LE cannot arrest you and make it stick if you tell the. It is your right to offer a ride regardless if she is a SW or not. There is case law that backs this up.

Someone call for me? No problem, here's my two cents!

The State of Florida has had a loitering and prowling statute on the books for years, the current form of the statute has been in place for at least 25 years. As to that statute, it's a second degree misdemeanor, the lowest level of criminal offense we have in Florida. For an arrest, LE needs to observe a person in a place, at a time or manner that would be unusual for a law abiding citizen and under circumstances that warrant a reasonable cause for concern for the safety of persons or property.

I've got a lot of cousins, seems one or the other is always getting arrested. One of my cousins was arrested awhile back and charged with loitering. He decided to go to trial and have the State prove up the charges. To do so, the prosecutors would need to prove two things beyond any reasonable doubt to the jury, that my cousin was in a place at a time or in some manner that was unusual for a law abiding citizen and that said loitering warranted justifiable concern for persons or property. In my cousins case, he was in the alleyway behind a shopping plaza at about midnight when all the businesses had closed hours before. LE saw him turn a few door knobs on the back doors of some businesses and also look up for security cameras. Then, when LE drove up, my cousin tried to hide behind a dumpster. He was found guilty at trial and filed an appeal. The appellate court ruled that my cousins actions were sufficient to leave the conviction in place.

It seems like legal challenges are more likely to prevail with city or county ordinances. I was at a pool hall in Tampa a few years back. The guy I was playing wanted to challenge a city ordinance. Seems Tampa had passed an ordinance outlawing loitering for purposes of prostitution. That ordinance made it unlawful to be standing by the roadway and talking to other people or waving at cars going by. As I was sinking the 8-ball and taking his money, I told him he had a great issue to challenge, the court should rule that the actions contemplated by the ordinance could easily be actions taken by normal, law-abiding citizens.

On the next table, my girl Mona Lisa was working some other sucker. Seems he had been arrested recently for violating another Tampa ordinance. Much like the prostitution one, it made it a crime to loiter for purposes of selling, purchasing, possessing or transferring controlled substances. Having helped me with legal research, Mona Lisa knew to tell that guy, as she was working him for a couple Franklins, that he should challenge his arrest too. She told him that this ordinance also possibly made it criminal to beckon, stop, wave or call to passers-by, actions that could be taken on any given day by any number of law-abiding citizens. Sure, he lost a couple hundred bucks to my girl, but he got a valuable legal lesson, while the state law on loitering has been upheld many times, cities and counties have had a difficult time taking that law and crafting something stricter, something geared towards other specific crimes such as prostitution or drug sales.

Unfortunately, none of the local ladies were at the pool hall so I didn't have the chance to chat any of them up or get the details on how / why they got arrested. If anyone has looked up those details yet, I'd certainly be interested!

Again, the state law is a second degree misdemeanor, something prosecutors typically don't much care about. I'd guess most prosecutors will want to get rid of that charge as quickly as they can, probably just court costs and nothing more. As to LE, they likely continue to make the arrests because they can. It gets the suspect off the streets at that moment in time, has them processed through the jail and then, potentially, has them think more about their actions the next time. Combining these things, I'd say LE looks at it as a tool to use to "clean up" the streets, regardless of what the prosecutors do on down the road. In fact, wouldn't surprise me if, at some point, some chief or sheriff makes a statement about how his agency is doing everything it can to "rid our city" of this criminal element but the damn prosecutors keep giving away plea deals like candy. Age old way to pass the buck! If you're looking to avoid an arrest for loitering, don't do what my cousin did, don't be in a place where there's no legitimate reason to be there, don't test door knobs on closed businesses, don't hide behind the dumpster. If you're just walking along, or driving along and keep on moving, you should be fine. If you get stopped anyway, be prepared with a plausible explanation. While there's no way to guarantee you won't get arrested, those things should go a long way towards avoiding it.

[Orlando Monger]

Despite visiting various and sundry pool halls throughout Florida, Orange County included, I've not yet encountered an individual that challenged ordinance 26.51. That said, I did compare it to the ordinance from the Tampa area. In Tampa, the ordinance included language such as "repeatedly beckons to, stops, or attempts to stop, or engages passersby in conversation, or repeatedly stops or attempts to stop motor vehicle operators by hailing, waving of arms, or any other bodily gesture for the purpose of inducing, enticing, soliciting, or procuring another to commit an act of prostitution. " That's the language that led to the appellate court ruling against the prosecution. The Orange County ordinance contains no such language. Instead, the Orange County ordinance seems to rely more on LE observing a "known prostitute or panderer" engage in certain actions, the "known prostitute or panderer" defined as a person that has a prostitution related conviction within the past year, that conviction being known to LE at the time of the observation.

Certainly possible someone may challenge this ordinance at some point, perhaps someone already has and I'm just not aware of it. But, as detailed previously, it's a second degree misdemeanor that is usually quickly resolved, maybe even dropped. Should a person get arrested and spend a day or two in the county jail, the prosecutor may well offer credit time served and the case is done. Even without any jail time, this low level offense would typically be resolved with little more than court costs. That being the case, from a financial perspective, or even a time commitment perspective, it's often not worth the hassle to challenge such an ordinance.

P.S. Mona Lisa said to say "thanks" to you! Despite our disagreements, frequent and loud though they may be, that girls my ride or die! Really should marry her one day! Maybe after I win my next case!

This is where the problem lies, few bother to fight and when you don't fight you lose every time. Unfair laws only get changed by fighting and challenging them. Admitting guilt to them only encourages to prosecute even more. Remember the counties that arrest for prostitution also do it as a money maker and once these cases start getting dropped by the state or won by the defendants in court it will become a liability. As mentioned before the burden of proof has to be met of an actual crime committed before any arrest is made, no one can be arrested just for nothing. Not legally anyway. At the end of the day it's going to be up to the jury. Do you think they give a fuck about 2 people fucking over money? I bet they'd be pissed to be there to hear such BS charges. It only takes 1 juror to side with you and with the majority these days believing this to be a non-criminal offense are really shitty odds for the prosecutor. During Prohibition, juries who disagreed with alcohol control laws often acquitted defendants who had been caught red handed smuggling alcohol. In reality it would never get to court with a competent attorney. Think the state has time to answer a ton of questions from the interrogatories? You'll never get the answers back on time. What about a depo for an entire day? Not happening on a 2nd misdemeanor charge as the prosecutors don't have time to even handle felony charges on their other cases. When was the last time a defendant with a competent attorney found guilty by a jury over prostitution charges in the last 10 years?

[Orlando Monger]

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[Orlando Monger]

I don't believe they would push this on dudes simply because of the fact they don't know who this dude maybe until it's too late for them. The ladies they are hitting with this they pretty much are aware of who and what they are but this could eventually backfire on them as well. I have always wondered how this is not a violation of a persons fundamental right to be anywhere they wish to be without a reason. Eventually this law will bite them in the ass when they arrest that one person who is just hanging around bored and they have deep pockets to fight and drag the city thru the mud.

That's why they target these poor drug dependent girls and other low hanging fruit. All false arrests are actionable and once the LEOs and county starts getting sued in the federal court and victims submit complaints to the DOJ and FBI's div of corruption things will change very rapidly, but not until then. Might even get a few LEOs arrested as well. It's in the constitution that you have the right to roam free. Fight these fucking assholes back.

[Orlando Monger]

Someone call for me? No problem, here's my two cents!

The State of Florida has had a loitering and prowling statute on the books for years, the current form of the statute has been in place for at least 25 years. As to that statute, it's a second degree misdemeanor, the lowest level of criminal offense we have in Florida. For an arrest, LE needs to observe a person in a place, at a time or manner that would be unusual for a law abiding citizen and under circumstances that warrant a reasonable cause for concern for the safety of persons or property.

I've got a lot of cousins, seems one or the other is always getting arrested. One of my cousins was arrested awhile back and charged with loitering. He decided to go to trial and have the State prove up the charges. To do so, the prosecutors would need to prove two things beyond any reasonable doubt to the jury, that my cousin was in a place at a time or in some manner that was unusual for a law abiding citizen and that said loitering warranted justifiable concern for persons or property. In my cousins case, he was in the alleyway behind a shopping plaza at about midnight when all the businesses had closed hours before. LE saw him turn a few door knobs on the back doors of some businesses and also look up for security cameras. Then, when LE drove up, my cousin tried to hide behind a dumpster. He was found guilty at trial and filed an appeal. The appellate court ruled that my cousins actions were sufficient to leave the conviction in place.

It seems like legal challenges are more likely to prevail with city or county ordinances. I was at a pool hall in Tampa a few years back. The guy I was playing wanted to challenge a city ordinance. Seems Tampa had passed an ordinance outlawing loitering for purposes of prostitution. That ordinance made it unlawful to be standing by the roadway and talking to other people or waving at cars going by. As I was sinking the 8-ball and taking his money, I told him he had a great issue to challenge, the court should rule that the actions contemplated by the ordinance could easily be actions taken by normal, law-abiding citizens.

On the next table, my girl Mona Lisa was working some other sucker. Seems he had been arrested recently for violating another Tampa ordinance. Much like the prostitution one, it made it a crime to loiter for purposes of selling, purchasing, possessing or transferring controlled substances. Having helped me with legal research, Mona Lisa knew to tell that guy, as she was working him for a couple Franklins, that he should challenge his arrest too. She told him that this ordinance also possibly made it criminal to beckon, stop, wave or call to passers-by, actions that could be taken on any given day by any number of law-abiding citizens. Sure, he lost a couple hundred bucks to my girl, but he got a valuable legal lesson, while the state law on loitering has been upheld many times, cities and counties have had a difficult time taking that law and crafting something stricter, something geared towards other specific crimes such as prostitution or drug sales.

Unfortunately, none of the local ladies were at the pool hall so I didn't have the chance to chat any of them up or get the details on how / why they got arrested. If anyone has looked up those details yet, I'd certainly be interested!

Again, the state law is a second degree misdemeanor, something prosecutors typically don't much care about. I'd guess most prosecutors will want to get rid of that charge as quickly as they can, probably just court costs and nothing more. As to LE, they likely continue to make the arrests because they can. It gets the suspect off the streets at that moment in time, has them processed through the jail and then, potentially, has them think more about their actions the next time. Combining these things, I'd say LE looks at it as a tool to use to "clean up" the streets, regardless of what the prosecutors do on down the road. In fact, wouldn't surprise me if, at some point, some chief or sheriff makes a statement about how his agency is doing everything it can to "rid our city" of this criminal element but the damn prosecutors keep giving away plea deals like candy. Age old way to pass the buck! If you're looking to avoid an arrest for loitering, don't do what my cousin did, don't be in a place where there's no legitimate reason to be there, don't test door knobs on closed businesses, don't hide behind the dumpster. If you're just walking along, or driving along and keep on moving, you should be fine. If you get stopped anyway, be prepared with a plausible explanation. While there's no way to guarantee you won't get arrested, those things should go a long way towards avoiding it.

I can assure you the only crime here was committed by the deputies which is called false arrest. They already pulled this shit by arresting girls during police checks where nothing was said except asking to see their little dicks. This does not meet the probable cause proof in any way as nothing about sex for anything of value was mentioned to remotely satisfy the requirements. Some of the girls arrested for these police checks were Sara, Green Eyed Jess, Barbie and our beloved Ice Pick Ashely (just to name a few). State refused to file charges on any of these girls arrested for prostitution as their police check did not meet the probable cause requirements even the slightest. Nor do the recent loitering arrests unless they admit to it. Loitering is usually a tack on charge for a crime that was done just like resisting arrest. It's rare to be charged with it alone unless the person arrested admitted to a crime. As for Tampa's loitering for purposes of prostitution charge to be valid short of the WG openly admitting / confessing to the crime they would have to prove they were hanging out to offer sex for anything of value; which is simply impossible unless the WG was holding a sex for sale sign or the LEO overheard a deal between a john.

[NotACop1]

I have been looking high and low for a Diamond, in the ruff. We had a couple oral conversations and much more but have since been unable to locate her.

I am on the prowl all day Saturday if you have any connections I'm open.

Recently had two bad experiences. One with an old time favorite who has had a major transformation. Seems as if the long term BF has more control. He never seems far away and knows her spots.

Also made plans with a LaLa thru a list. When I showed up and let her know I was there. Suddenly she couldn't because she was out of condoms.

I don't have time to go shopping when I'm on a schedule and this was planned. Let me know before I get there and I will stop.

No big deal just looking for Diamond or a recommendation for Saturday.

[Grain 56]

What year are we in? Buy her a burner phone.

Generically speaking. Most of these girls discussed in this thread can't keep a phone for a day. It would be lost, get stolen or (most likely) be sold for candy before you would even have a chance to take advantage of her having it.

Again YMMV and there are some that have kept the same phone and number for years. The vast majority of them don't or can't. It's all in the SWs sense of priorities. Knowing and enjoying the company of Victoria / Tori / Presley my self in the past (the girl being discussed), if you look at how she appears in some of her Resort Check-In pics, you'll see that she tends to really go off the deep end at times.

Again, generically speaking.

Grain 56.

[Orlando Monger]

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Are you fucking nuts? You can't post shit like that here our target is already big enough.

A2

[Member #6574]

Reporting live from the trail, Signed up for the obt 500 and made daily laps around the trail but nothing but crickets and old rnb broken hearts in these streets I seen one WSW by Best Buy but like always somebody snagged her before I could dream, stop being so quick fellas I haven't had a nice long dream in weeks, quit fucking up my sleep! After my final lap past a car show by wawa I seen the checkered flag but before I turned in there was a fineeee HSW by Lancaster sadly not enough gas in the tank to keep me moving but as always channel 5 news the blade.

Giamatti.

[WoozerBuck]

I've been having so much fun with this one. Just perfect headache relief every single time. Very hard to get ahold of since she doesn't have a cellphone or a room but when I do get ahold of her it's an amazing dream and it doesn't hurt that she's sweet as can be. Was given Permission to post this pic.

What year are we in? Buy her a burner phone.