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[FogHorn1]

...I have had several try and get sexual or go into something that could be incriminating I just end the call.

Do whatever you're comfortable with bro, but I literally addressed this exact point in my original post. Sure you can end the call, but if that recording gets out you're still going to have to explain to a significant other, or coworker, or whoever what you were doing on the video call in the first place.

In my opinion, the risk of a video call far outweighs anything good to be gained from a possible recording. I'd much rather potentially waste a few minutes of time meeting in public so you can bounce if things aren't seeming right.

[David032]

Everyone has to have their own level of comfort, but I NEVER agree to a FT or any video call. Way to easy for the SB (scammer) to record the call and use it for blackmail.

And before anyone says "just don't talk about anything damaging" - it's not that easy. What do you do if she outright asks "what are you comfortable with paying per date with intimacy" or "how has Seeking Arrangements been for you" or "how long was your last sugar relationship, and why did it end?" etc. Even if you don't answer, you still have to be able to explain what you were doing on a video call with this much younger lady in the first place, and why she'd be asking you about SA or paying her for a date.

If you're married, that would be hard to explain away. If you're single and just want to be autonomous, it could still be damaging. So. No video calls for me, ever.

I do video calls all the time. It super easy to avoid anything in criminating. But I never FaceTime well mainly because don't have an iPhone. If she asks to snap I request a Google duo call. If she requests to FaceTime I ask to snap. I also let her know from the beginning this just a call to verify we are both real and who we say we are. I have had several try and get sexual or go into something that could be incriminating I just end the call. Sure they could record the video or take screen shots. To use them against me, they would have to have personel information on me. Just to be able to give to someone to be a risky and generally my opsec is pretty good.

[Honey Butter]

There are plenty of options for this, including London, Geneva, Zurich, Paris, Copenhagen, Montreal, Budapest, Warsaw, St. Petersburg, etc. Anywhere in Europe.

From my personal experience, I can attest that each and every place have tons communicative white girls who are sexy, fit, and ready to play. Bare sex is something rare, BBBJ is everywhere.

You just need to take a flight.

Yeah London is solid. I worked there for a few months back in 2017 and stayed in Earls Court. 5-10 sexy Romanian BBFS options within walking distance easily found on adultwork. It was ridiculous.

[FrankCastle6]

Anybody have any intel? Indian, a little thick, lived near fairfax corner. She have a new profile?

[SonChi]

I'm on International Sex guide. That's where all the info I have on German FKK's like Sharks comes from, since I've never been there.

I've been to Canada, the Toronto / Mississauga suburb area mostly. Never been to Montreal, where I heard the sex is better, but I don't speak French. The Canadian experience is basically the same as the US with regards to prices and services, at least in Toronto. I went to a couple strip clubs, massage parlors, and a couple independents and agencies. Prices were similar, fucking a stripper was a few hundred. I mainly went to the SC Atlantis. Massage places also a few hundred for fucking, although instead of only asians like in this area, there were a variety of hot white girls. Escort was same thing, hot white girl for a I think 400-500 CAD an hour. None offered BBFS. I understand the prices are cheaper in Montreal, 300-400 for the same type of girls instead of 400-500.

I don't go to Mexico, Thailand, or other areas because firstly, as mentioned I like being able to have smooth, detailed conversations with girls, not just fuck them and make small-talk through a translation app. Secondly, I don't like any women except whites or light-skinned latinas. I would have 0 fun in Thailand or other SE Asian countries, even though they're probably the best bang for your buck to get laid by attractive girls.

I have yet to hear of a place where the following are available together:

1. White-looking girls who are hot (8+/10).

2. Speak decent English, enough to have regular conversations.

3. Commonly offer full GFE along with BBFS.

Notice I didn't put low-cost in that list. I'm even willing to pay US prices (few hundred an hour) if the above three are common, but I can't even find just the 3 above. In every place I know of, BBFS is always YMMV and a crapshoot at best, you better either know the girl for a long time and see her consistently or be hot and turn her on enough that she doesn't care if you fuck her raw. Or, the girls who will do BBFS are always old, ugly, drugged out, etc, and the hot ones don't do it.

Hell, if there's any place where hot white girls consistently provide BBFS, even if they don't speak English, let me know. I've talked to Russian girls in this area through XO Agency, and they think BBFS is the worst and totally impossible, would never do it with anybody.

There are plenty of options for this, including London, Geneva, Zurich, Paris, Copenhagen, Montreal, Budapest, Warsaw, St. Petersburg, etc. Anywhere in Europe.

From my personal experience, I can attest that each and every place have tons communicative white girls who are sexy, fit, and ready to play. Bare sex is something rare, BBBJ is everywhere.

You just need to take a flight.

[SonChi]

This pretty much sums up my reasons too. I'm really paranoid about this stuff, having had a bad experience. The really bad ones. And they do exist. Are out to get ANY piece of your PII that they can and potentially use it against you. Also, I've heard of scams in which they get you on a video call and the girl on the other end is underage. Even if you disconnect right away they have the screenshot and can then leverage it against you.

It really sucks. SA has become a sewer. At this point I flat out tell SBs that like it or not they won't see my face or know my name until we meet, and that they have to be willing to risk a bit of gas money and an hour of their time. It's definitely put a damper on M&G. Many of them get it and are ok with it. I generally suspect the ones who kick up a fuss are scammers.

Thanks. I will continue to have chick's meet me at the bar of a close hotel and see what happens.

[Mcsylv]

This pretty much sums up my reasons too. I'm really paranoid about this stuff, having had a bad experience. The really bad ones. And they do exist. Are out to get ANY piece of your PII that they can and potentially use it against you. Also, I've heard of scams in which they get you on a video call and the girl on the other end is underage. Even if you disconnect right away they have the screenshot and can then leverage it against you.

It really sucks. SA has become a sewer. At this point I flat out tell SBs that like it or not they won't see my face or know my name until we meet, and that they have to be willing to risk a bit of gas money and an hour of their time. It's definitely put a damper on M&G. Many of them get it and are ok with it. I generally suspect the ones who kick up a fuss are scammers.

Not always scammers, I've found that many girls are just entitled. These are the type that write stuff like needing to get taken care of for their time, expect paid M&G even with no sex, etc. I've had plenty of girls who seem real, but want me to pay for the Uber and stuff because they're spoiled.

From the girls' perspective though, if I was a hot chick, why wouldn't I do that? Why spend my own money when someone can spend it for me, it makes sense.

[Shier]

Everyone has to have their own level of comfort, but I NEVER agree to a FT or any video call. Way to easy for the SB (scammer) to record the call and use it for blackmail.

And before anyone says "just don't talk about anything damaging" - it's not that easy. What do you do if she outright asks "what are you comfortable with paying per date with intimacy" or "how has Seeking Arrangements been for you" or "how long was your last sugar relationship, and why did it end?" etc. Even if you don't answer, you still have to be able to explain what you were doing on a video call with this much younger lady in the first place, and why she'd be asking you about SA or paying her for a date.

If you're married, that would be hard to explain away. If you're single and just want to be autonomous, it could still be damaging. So. No video calls for me, ever.

This pretty much sums up my reasons too. I'm really paranoid about this stuff, having had a bad experience. The really bad ones. And they do exist. Are out to get ANY piece of your PII that they can and potentially use it against you. Also, I've heard of scams in which they get you on a video call and the girl on the other end is underage. Even if you disconnect right away they have the screenshot and can then leverage it against you.

It really sucks. SA has become a sewer. At this point I flat out tell SBs that like it or not they won't see my face or know my name until we meet, and that they have to be willing to risk a bit of gas money and an hour of their time. It's definitely put a damper on M&G. Many of them get it and are ok with it. I generally suspect the ones who kick up a fuss are scammers.

[Mcsylv]

In Europe, sex work is a registered profession. Ladies know the deal, work in police protected areas, even street walkers, and even have unions.

Google: international sexguide nl and find the foreign version of this website.

Each country is different with different prices. In Germany, there are FKk clubs, where you pay an entry fee and get to be there, enjoy a drink at the bar, enjoy the sauna, then negotiate a bit with a lady to join her in private. Bare sex is very rare except for Asians, bbj is normal but will depend.

There is very little stigma to enjoy them unless people know that you are married, but you should move in silence in general.

My experience is that some ladies are all business (UK), both most deliver GFE if you treat them well. They are new girlfriends, treat them as such.

Book your sex tour with confidence, fun is ready to be had as close as Canada and Mexico, as far as Thailand.

I'm on International Sex guide. That's where all the info I have on German FKK's like Sharks comes from, since I've never been there.

I've been to Canada, the Toronto / Mississauga suburb area mostly. Never been to Montreal, where I heard the sex is better, but I don't speak French. The Canadian experience is basically the same as the US with regards to prices and services, at least in Toronto. I went to a couple strip clubs, massage parlors, and a couple independents and agencies. Prices were similar, fucking a stripper was a few hundred. I mainly went to the SC Atlantis. Massage places also a few hundred for fucking, although instead of only asians like in this area, there were a variety of hot white girls. Escort was same thing, hot white girl for a I think 400-500 CAD an hour. None offered BBFS. I understand the prices are cheaper in Montreal, 300-400 for the same type of girls instead of 400-500.

I don't go to Mexico, Thailand, or other areas because firstly, as mentioned I like being able to have smooth, detailed conversations with girls, not just fuck them and make small-talk through a translation app. Secondly, I don't like any women except whites or light-skinned latinas. I would have 0 fun in Thailand or other SE Asian countries, even though they're probably the best bang for your buck to get laid by attractive girls.

I have yet to hear of a place where the following are available together:

1. White-looking girls who are hot (8+/10).

2. Speak decent English, enough to have regular conversations.

3. Commonly offer full GFE along with BBFS.

Notice I didn't put low-cost in that list. I'm even willing to pay US prices (few hundred an hour) if the above three are common, but I can't even find just the 3 above. In every place I know of, BBFS is always YMMV and a crapshoot at best, you better either know the girl for a long time and see her consistently or be hot and turn her on enough that she doesn't care if you fuck her raw. Or, the girls who will do BBFS are always old, ugly, drugged out, etc, and the hot ones don't do it.

Hell, if there's any place where hot white girls consistently provide BBFS, even if they don't speak English, let me know. I've talked to Russian girls in this area through XO Agency, and they think BBFS is the worst and totally impossible, would never do it with anybody.

[FogHorn1]

Why did the FaceTime request signal a scam to you? I would welcome this versus sending a face pic. What set you off?

Everyone has to have their own level of comfort, but I NEVER agree to a FT or any video call. Way to easy for the SB (scammer) to record the call and use it for blackmail.

And before anyone says "just don't talk about anything damaging" - it's not that easy. What do you do if she outright asks "what are you comfortable with paying per date with intimacy" or "how has Seeking Arrangements been for you" or "how long was your last sugar relationship, and why did it end?" etc. Even if you don't answer, you still have to be able to explain what you were doing on a video call with this much younger lady in the first place, and why she'd be asking you about SA or paying her for a date.

If you're married, that would be hard to explain away. If you're single and just want to be autonomous, it could still be damaging. So. No video calls for me, ever.

[SonChi]

Shares some racy pics right off the bat and wants to move to text right away. Good communicator so it seem English is her first language.

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...4-9c61dcda10df

Once texting she proposes a facetime session, so right away of course I suspect she's running some kind of scam. I reply "Can't do it" and instead of arguing or repeatedly trying again she just said best of luck and went on her way. I'd love to be wrong about her so I figured I'd ask if anyone here had any info.

Cheers!

Why did the FaceTime request signal a scam to you? I would welcome this versus sending a face pic. What set you off?

[SonChi]

I've never been to E Europe or Germany, but I've heard this as well. I've always wanted to try the FKK's in Germany, basically huge spas with food buffet, hot tubs and pools, saunas, outdoor relaxation areas, and dozens of hot EE girls walking around naked that you can pay to fuck.

The problem is, I've heard that just like the US, ****** in Europe are going to be business-like. Maybe even more so than the US, since it's legal. You're also still paying by time, rather than by date. That's the main reason I moved from escorts and strippers to SB's in the US. Access to bareback, and much more worthwhile from a $/ hour perspective.

For example, sure the 1000 PPM I sometimes have to pay is a lot. But I ask for all day dates at that rate, lunch to 11 PM. No, we're not fucking the entire time, a lot is spent outside the room, but I still enjoy the experience, a girl needs to be able to talk and hold my attention, not just ride my dick in bed. So, 1000/11 = $91/ H, pretty good for a hot 20-something that I'm fucking raw.

In German FKK's, and don't quote me on this, I think it's something like 50 Euro for 30 min? More if you want extras like BBBJ, making out, eating pussy, GFE stuff. BBFS is basically not possible unless she's met you a bunch of times. Dates outside are sometimes possible, sometimes not, just like trying to meet a stripper outside the club.

To me after hearing other people's evaluations, EE ****** are still not my cup of tea. But if your goal is to pay as cheap as possible to stick your dick in a pussy, I suppose they're a great option.

In Europe, sex work is a registered profession. Ladies know the deal, work in police protected areas, even street walkers, and even have unions.

Google: international sexguide nl and find the foreign version of this website.

Each country is different with different prices. In Germany, there are FKk clubs, where you pay an entry fee and get to be there, enjoy a drink at the bar, enjoy the sauna, then negotiate a bit with a lady to join her in private. Bare sex is very rare except for Asians, bbj is normal but will depend.

There is very little stigma to enjoy them unless people know that you are married, but you should move in silence in general.

My experience is that some ladies are all business (UK), both most deliver GFE if you treat them well. They are new girlfriends, treat them as such.

Book your sex tour with confidence, fun is ready to be had as close as Canada and Mexico, as far as Thailand.

[Shier]

Shares some racy pics right off the bat and wants to move to text right away. Good communicator so it seem English is her first language.

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...4-9c61dcda10df

Once texting she proposes a facetime session, so right away of course I suspect she's running some kind of scam. I reply "Can't do it" and instead of arguing or repeatedly trying again she just said best of luck and went on her way. I'd love to be wrong about her so I figured I'd ask if anyone here had any info.

Cheers!

[Mcsylv]

I lived in Central / Eastern Europe for 3 years. Hookers are the easier route there, and $40-50 will get you pretty good and $100+ hot ass chicks. HMU and I'll be happy to direct you to the right sites.

Agree! Especially in Germany, Austria and Switzerland, where the hobby is legal, there are many alternatives literally right in front of you. SBs simply aren't worth the time and effort to try to work. Even strip clubs are largely irrelevant in those countries.

When I visited Frankfort Germany I went into a large building, entrance had a snack bar on left, in front of me a half circle curved wall looked like 5 tiled horse washing stalls, stairs on left walked up, my guess is about 40 rooms per floor maybe more and 3 to 5 floors, if door was open and girl in doorway means available, door closed busy or nobody there, it' been a long time since don't remember where in Frankfort but the location was where most of this activity happens, I think it was about a 5 block radius so it's huge, I'm talking the blocks in downtown Denver co size so it's a huge area.

I've never been to E Europe or Germany, but I've heard this as well. I've always wanted to try the FKK's in Germany, basically huge spas with food buffet, hot tubs and pools, saunas, outdoor relaxation areas, and dozens of hot EE girls walking around naked that you can pay to fuck.

The problem is, I've heard that just like the US, ****** in Europe are going to be business-like. Maybe even more so than the US, since it's legal. You're also still paying by time, rather than by date. That's the main reason I moved from escorts and strippers to SB's in the US. Access to bareback, and much more worthwhile from a $/ hour perspective.

For example, sure the 1000 PPM I sometimes have to pay is a lot. But I ask for all day dates at that rate, lunch to 11 PM. No, we're not fucking the entire time, a lot is spent outside the room, but I still enjoy the experience, a girl needs to be able to talk and hold my attention, not just ride my dick in bed. So, 1000/11 = $91/ H, pretty good for a hot 20-something that I'm fucking raw.

In German FKK's, and don't quote me on this, I think it's something like 50 Euro for 30 min? More if you want extras like BBBJ, making out, eating pussy, GFE stuff. BBFS is basically not possible unless she's met you a bunch of times. Dates outside are sometimes possible, sometimes not, just like trying to meet a stripper outside the club.

To me after hearing other people's evaluations, EE ****** are still not my cup of tea. But if your goal is to pay as cheap as possible to stick your dick in a pussy, I suppose they're a great option.

[Partimer109]

Agree! Especially in Germany, Austria and Switzerland, where the hobby is legal, there are many alternatives literally right in front of you. SBs simply aren't worth the time and effort to try to work. Even strip clubs are largely irrelevant in those countries.

When I visited Frankfort Germany I went into a large building, entrance had a snack bar on left, in front of me a half circle curved wall looked like 5 tiled horse washing stalls, stairs on left walked up, my guess is about 40 rooms per floor maybe more and 3 to 5 floors, if door was open and girl in doorway means available, door closed busy or nobody there, it' been a long time since don't remember where in Frankfort but the location was where most of this activity happens, I think it was about a 5 block radius so it's huge, I'm talking the blocks in downtown Denver co size so it's a huge area.