NoVA SugarBabies

[SRH59]

Curious if I'm too skeptical. One of those "I want her to be real but doubting it" scenarios.

She's attractive IMO. Skepticism triggers: Her private pictures are grainy. That "photo of a photo" look. Worse then her public ones. Hot chicks know how to take quality pictures of themselves. Profile includes ". Or rushing to get my assignments done while working full time. " But her profile notes having a college degree and an occupation already. So if these are school assignments, that makes no sense. Profile is a week old, so unlikely the language is just not updated. Our conversation has no red flags at this stage but has been brief and trivial.

https://members.seeking.com/member/8...b-fcdc0d2ae899

[FogHorn1]

Anyone recently used a vanilla gift card on seeking?

Trying to see what the alternatives are to a credit card.

Last time I tried to use the Vanilla card it didn't work. I find that any card that can be registered with myprepaidbalance (there will be instructions on the back of the card that you can read before you buy it) seems to work.

[JonFisher]

Anyone recently used a vanilla gift card on seeking?

Trying to see what the alternatives are to a credit card.

[TomFordModel]

My long posts were responses about my experience in the scene and give my perspective. I said I disagreed with some things, but at no point did I ask for advice from anyone, nor did I lecture anybody about their lives.

90% of the time I could do like TomFord and when someone posts about a girl, rage about how ugly she is and how the man must be a loser to even want to fuck her. Or when the ever so common comment about allowance comes up and dudes flip out at paying more than 400 PPM, I could lecture them about financial success and how if they didn't settle for mediocrity, then maybe they wouldn't be pinching pennies over pussy.

Instead, I say nothing. When I can, I give my experiences as a man with my circumstances. And in turn, dudes tell me I can't accept reality LOL.

It's about value. These aren't even worth McDonalds.

[TomFordModel]

Claims to be a college student. Wants $200 for a meet and greet over coffee to "discuss our options" before any intimacy. Offered a nice lunch instead, she insisted on getting paid for a meet and greet. Told her good luck.

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...8-95880d5bad2a

Fuck. She's 21 that's her peak and she is a fat as shut.

These girls are crazy. On reddit the sugarbaby forum have all these chick's trying g to pump each other up like they're getting a whale.

[BuffBill75]

Claims to be a college student. Wants $200 for a meet and greet over coffee to "discuss our options" before any intimacy. Offered a nice lunch instead, she insisted on getting paid for a meet and greet. Told her good luck.

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...8-95880d5bad2a

Tell her to stop watching tick tock.

[Squatty2]

Shit, you are using Seeking to deliver 90% of your vagina, too bad it doesn't come via delivery and with a return bag.

Even dropping 50 lbs between now and 2024 is doable without going as extreme as a bootcamp\PT and personal chef, and you won't be so saggy as to need surgery.

Simple lifestyle changes will yield benefits and that goes beyond sugaring. I find my personal productivity increased tremendously when I installed a walking treadmill under my desk, lumbering along at 1. 5 mph while working.

I was going to suggest this. "Working out" would be overkill, but walking on a treadmill can be done while watching a TV show, on a conference call, or even typing on a laptop. Anything to get you up and moving.

[NovaDaddy69]

Claims to be a college student. Wants $200 for a meet and greet over coffee to "discuss our options" before any intimacy. Offered a nice lunch instead, she insisted on getting paid for a meet and greet. Told her good luck.

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...8-95880d5bad2a

[ChrisCarr]

You're not the first person to suggest getting in shape, and I'll say the same thing I've said to others: I work up really long hours frequently, 9 am until 7 PM, then 2 hours for dinner, then work until I go to bed at 12 or 1 am. I'm not about to put more stress on myself by adding working out to that. I hate exercising, it's very stressful for me and I don't get any sort of runner's high or whatever that other people talk about, or any improvement to my mood. It's just miserable.

No pussy exists that is worth burning both ends of the candle except for the women that bear your children.

I also have this mental thing where I hate my own cooking. I've had someone who knows how to cook stand next to the stove and tell me exactly what ingredients to add and when, and the end product that comes out is something I cannot eat, even though I know it's logically fine. It's something to do with seeing raw ingredients become a finished dish, it just ruins my appetite and makes it taste bad in my mouth.


So, with those things in mind, sure I could invest my money into overcoming those obstacles. Build a home gym. Hire a personal trainer to come over every day to train me. Hire a personal chef to deliver cooked food to me every other day that I just need to microwave. Hire a personal stylist and shopper to go out and buy outfits, design a wardrobe for me. All those put together and I'm probably at close to my SB budget, with no money left over for anything fun.

That will be my life for the next 2 years, working 12 hours a day and eating food from plastic containers, as well as doing pushups with some dude yelling motivational phrases at me. I should be around 180 for might height, so 120 pounds to lose. Then after I lose that weight, I have to go to a plastic surgeon to cut off the loose skin, heal up for another 6-8 months while not gaining any weight even though working out becomes harder.

It's really not too much to ask of oneself to trim back on a few hundred calories of food and go for a walk everyday.

I use Factor_75 to deliver healthy food that just requires a reheat. There are others. I'm rarely disappointed in the quality of the food.

I use Stichfix and Stately to deliver 90% of my clothing and accessories. There are others. I'm rarely disappointed in the outfits I receive.

Shit, you are using Seeking to deliver 90% of your vagina, too bad it doesn't come via delivery and with a return bag.

Even dropping 50 lbs between now and 2024 is doable without going as extreme as a bootcamp\PT and personal chef, and you won't be so saggy as to need surgery.

After going through that hell, now the 9'sand 10's are going to be all over me, I'll be swimming in model pussy right? Wrong, now I'm just looking like an average dude who keeps fit. They're a dime a dozen at the gym, and none of them date Instagram models. I still have to become a multi millionaire at the minimum, as well as develop a social circle where I can have access to girls like that, and the free time to give them the experiences they date rich men for.

Join the club, and while here you'll find that the 7's and 8's are just as satisfying without all the overhead.

It's all so far away that it's not my concern now. I'm focused on building my business, and using money to get whatever I can in the sugar world. Once I'm over the hump I'm at now and have a bit more time, I can hit the weights.

As an entrepreneur you understand the value of your time, and there exist plenty of ways of making it happen vs making excuses.

Simple lifestyle changes will yield benefits and that goes beyond sugaring. I find my personal productivity increased tremendously when I installed a walking treadmill under my desk, lumbering along at 1. 5 mph while working. My dick is harder now than when heavier, I fuck longer, the quality of poon comes better at a lower ppm, and I generally feel like I'm firing on all cylinders all day everyday. My Test hormones are low so I could go on TRT but then there'd be nothing left for you guys.

[Joe1278]

https://members.seeking.com/member/0...4-35a6167f8c81

https://www.worldescortshub.com/us/j...bd2cea7fe04548

I bought Pimeyes subscription to try out; it seems to be pretty good.

[DCKing]

I ask for 12 h dates when the girl asks for 1000 ppm, not the other way around. My usual date is dinner and a few hours in a hotel room for 500, or less if I can negotiate it, but I'm rarely successful.

I've tried sleeping with women that aren't 8's and 9's. I'm just not attracted to them. Most of the time, the allowance that 7's ask for isn't even much different, still around 500 ppm, maybe 400. I have never gotten a single girl to agree to 300, so it's not like I'm saving a bunch of money by lowering my standards.

I'm at the point where if I couldn't afford to see 8's and above, I'd just stay home. Average chicks do nothing for me, sure they're fine as friends, but I don't get turned on by them. I also have an extremely hard time cumming, so it doesn't help when the girl is not smoking hot.

I don't get jealous, I couldn't care less about who else the girl is seeing. Sometimes when we're fucking, during dirty talk I ask them about the last guy they had inside them and when it was. Most girls get nervous because they figure it's a test I'm giving them and I'll flip out if they tell the truth, but I honestly get turned on hearing about other times they've enjoyed getting fucked. I've talked to girls about their BF's or dudes they're fucking, like a former SB from Richmond who fucked her 21 yo coworker at the bakery bareback even though she wasn't on BC.

You're not the first person to suggest getting in shape, and I'll say the same thing I've said to others: I work up really long hours frequently, 9 am until 7 PM, then 2 hours for dinner, then work until I go to bed at 12 or 1 am. I'm not about to put more stress on myself by adding working out to that. I hate exercising, it's very stressful for me and I don't get any sort of runner's high or whatever that other people talk about, or any improvement to my mood. It's just miserable.

I also have this mental thing where I hate my own cooking. I've had someone who knows how to cook stand next to the stove and tell me exactly what ingredients to add and when, and the end product that comes out is something I cannot eat, even though I know it's logically fine. It's something to do with seeing raw ingredients become a finished dish, it just ruins my appetite and makes it taste bad in my mouth.

So, with those things in mind, sure I could invest my money into overcoming those obstacles. Build a home gym. Hire a personal trainer to come over every day to train me. Hire a personal chef to deliver cooked food to me every other day that I just need to microwave. Hire a personal stylist and shopper to go out and buy outfits, design a wardrobe for me. All those put together and I'm probably at close to my SB budget, with no money left over for anything fun.

That will be my life for the next 2 years, working 12 hours a day and eating food from plastic containers, as well as doing pushups with some dude yelling motivational phrases at me. I should be around 180 for might height, so 120 pounds to lose. Then after I lose that weight, I have to go to a plastic surgeon to cut off the loose skin, heal up for another 6-8 months while not gaining any weight even though working out becomes harder.

After going through that hell, now the 9'sand 10's are going to be all over me, I'll be swimming in model pussy right? Wrong, now I'm just looking like an average dude who keeps fit. They're a dime a dozen at the gym, and none of them date Instagram models. I still have to become a multi millionaire at the minimum, as well as develop a social circle where I can have access to girls like that, and the free time to give them the experiences they date rich men for.

It's all so far away that it's not my concern now. I'm focused on building my business, and using money to get whatever I can in the sugar world. Once I'm over the hump I'm at now and have a bit more time, I can hit the weights.

EDIT: One other thing I wanted to comment on, have you sugared outside DC? As I said, I have had much more success finding girls I like in Vegas, even though I've only been there on a couple trips vs living in DC. The bell curve is different for different locations, and I think DC is just skewed unfavorably

I love the honesty of your post! You keep it real. One thing I have finally learned as I have gotten older is not to give people advice unless they ask for it. My dad is always advising and lecturing people, so I learned from him! Do what makes you happy. I had to laugh out loud about the part regarding raw ingredients and cooking because I am the same way! Happy Hunting!

[Mcsylv]

Sounds like your having trouble excepting reality bro LOL!

I agree with the other poster. Change your mind set and work on yourself.

I could continue to go back and forth but I don't think it would do any good so I'm just going to do you like your sb's and. 👻.

Best of luck with the business success.

My long posts were responses about my experience in the scene and give my perspective. I said I disagreed with some things, but at no point did I ask for advice from anyone, nor did I lecture anybody about their lives.

90% of the time I could do like TomFord and when someone posts about a girl, rage about how ugly she is and how the man must be a loser to even want to fuck her. Or when the ever so common comment about allowance comes up and dudes flip out at paying more than 400 PPM, I could lecture them about financial success and how if they didn't settle for mediocrity, then maybe they wouldn't be pinching pennies over pussy.

Instead, I say nothing. When I can, I give my experiences as a man with my circumstances. And in turn, dudes tell me I can't accept reality LOL.

[Mandane]

Continuing the high effort (as opposed to one pic and no profile text) fake pic profile.

https://members.seeking.com/messages...4-719c73e87d41

Pics are a tik tok / YouTube chick from Toronto.

https://instagram.com/kimyaebrahimi?igshid=MDM4ZDc5MmU=

I'm leaning towards the "looks adjacent" theory proposed for my previous find. This one did respond to my initial approach, though hasn't said much since. More effort that most scammers make.

[Old Chinese Guy]

I ask for 12 h dates when the girl asks for 1000 ppm, not the other way around. My usual date is dinner and a few hours in a hotel room for 500, or less if I can negotiate it, but I'm rarely successful.

I've tried sleeping with women that aren't 8's and 9's. I'm just not attracted to them. Most of the time, the allowance that 7's ask for isn't even much different, still around 500 ppm, maybe 400. I have never gotten a single girl to agree to 300, so it's not like I'm saving a bunch of money by lowering my standards.

I'm at the point where if I couldn't afford to see 8's and above, I'd just stay home. Average chicks do nothing for me, sure they're fine as friends, but I don't get turned on by them. I also have an extremely hard time cumming, so it doesn't help when the girl is not smoking hot.

So I've been following your response in this thread with interest. You say you are 6' 300 lbs work your arse off to get your business successful, hate exercise as it is stressful and do the SB thing because you can afford them and don't have time to waste with vanilla dates. Everything you say, I've been there and done that. I was overweight, didn't work out because the inertia to get going was too high, spending too much time professionally to want to 'waste' time with vanilla dating but still wanted sex.

But the getting fit is not a nice to have, it is a MUST have. What good is a successful business and all the money if you can't enjoy it because you are in poor health or have a heart attack. You have to make your health a priority, you can't fuck if you can't get a hard on because of diabetes or other health issues. You might be able to get away with it now but once you get over 40, things start to slow down and once you get over 50, all the deterioration accelerates if you do not do anything about it. I decided about 30 years ago that I need to make health a priority if I wanted to live longer and enjoy all the hard work. I started working out seriously 4-5 days a week and started eating better. Today I'm 61,5'10", 165 lbs and fitter today that I was in my 30's.

I started with the SW thing years ago and moved to escorts as I made more money and wanted better quality. Also did the SB things for a few years as I wanted something less transactional and more resembling a relationship. I finally moved back to vanilla dating recently, back to what I started with in my 20's. I can tell you that the effort I put into vanilla dating is not that much more than setting up SBs. Yes, I'm not fucking 20 somethings but frankly, I don't have anything in common with 20 somethings. Even 30 somethings is pushing the edge of compatibility. I need someone smart, beautiful and enjoys sex as much as I do. I was dating 40 and 50 somethings and have to say that I was spending less, getting more intelligent and equally beautiful women and was having as much sex as I wanted. Of course it could be argued that nothing is free, yes, I buy dinner on the first dates but for the ones I click with, start insisting on paying some of the time after a couple a dates.

And here's the thing, I really ain't that good looking. Yes, I look like I spend time in the gym but pretty average in looks. I carry myself well, am a good conversationalist, semi-intelligent, dress well and got game. Having a beautiful women on your arm in restaurants turns heads and I love the looks I get wondering what the fuck does she see in me. The only downside is that after a short period of being able to have sex with multiple women, sooner of later, the one you really click with dictates some sort of commitment. I just met this 51 yr old who easily looks in her late 30's early 40's, skinny, big natural boobs, small butt, loves sex and is really sensuous. She is also smarter than I am. But the best part is that she is as into me as I am into her. Something I missed in most SB / escort type situations. So I'm swearing off all the other women for this one. Do I get tempted when my former dates, an escort-turned friend or an SB calls? Hell yeah but I haven't acted on any of the temptations yet. Will I get bored, maybe in the future but not yet, by a long shot. Why am I saying all of this? Because knowing that there is one person who will always have your back when you are focusing on your professional stuff is priceless.

My unsolicited advice is that getting fit and healthy is important, for your own sake. You will be able to enjoy sex much longer. It does get easier and less 'stressful' once you get into a rhythm of working out and eating right. You can still eat right even if you don't like to cook. And don't write off vanilla dating, it really isn't that much more time & effort and frankly costs less than SBs. Why the hell wouldn't you want someone who can pull their own financial weight, cook a nice meal, be supportive and around 24/7 for you to laugh and play with. So after years of mongering, I'm back to where I started, all it needed was finding the right person. I do enjoy reading and living vicariously in your adventures, so keep mongering and reporting but I hope you get the chance to get out of this dishwasher cycle at some point in time like I did.

[Member #6230]

I ask for 12 h dates when the girl asks for 1000 ppm, not the other way around. My usual date is dinner and a few hours in a hotel room for 500, or less if I can negotiate it, but I'm rarely successful.

I've tried sleeping with women that aren't 8's and 9's. I'm just not attracted to them. Most of the time, the allowance that 7's ask for isn't even much different, still around 500 ppm, maybe 400. I have never gotten a single girl to agree to 300, so it's not like I'm saving a bunch of money by lowering my standards.

I'm at the point where if I couldn't afford to see 8's and above, I'd just stay home. Average chicks do nothing for me, sure they're fine as friends, but I don't get turned on by them. I also have an extremely hard time cumming, so it doesn't help when the girl is not smoking hot.

I don't get jealous, I couldn't care less about who else the girl is seeing. Sometimes when we're fucking, during dirty talk I ask them about the last guy they had inside them and when it was. Most girls get nervous because they figure it's a test I'm giving them and I'll flip out if they tell the truth, but I honestly get turned on hearing about other times they've enjoyed getting fucked. I've talked to girls about their BF's or dudes they're fucking, like a former SB from Richmond who fucked her 21 yo coworker at the bakery bareback even though she wasn't on BC.

You're not the first person to suggest getting in shape, and I'll say the same thing I've said to others: I work up really long hours frequently, 9 am until 7 PM, then 2 hours for dinner, then work until I go to bed at 12 or 1 am. I'm not about to put more stress on myself by adding working out to that. I hate exercising, it's very stressful for me and I don't get any sort of runner's high or whatever that other people talk about, or any improvement to my mood. It's just miserable.

I also have this mental thing where I hate my own cooking. I've had someone who knows how to cook stand next to the stove and tell me exactly what ingredients to add and when, and the end product that comes out is something I cannot eat, even though I know it's logically fine. It's something to do with seeing raw ingredients become a finished dish, it just ruins my appetite and makes it taste bad in my mouth.

So, with those things in mind, sure I could invest my money into overcoming those obstacles. Build a home gym. Hire a personal trainer to come over every day to train me. Hire a personal chef to deliver cooked food to me every other day that I just need to microwave. Hire a personal stylist and shopper to go out and buy outfits, design a wardrobe for me. All those put together and I'm probably at close to my SB budget, with no money left over for anything fun.

That will be my life for the next 2 years, working 12 hours a day and eating food from plastic containers, as well as doing pushups with some dude yelling motivational phrases at me. I should be around 180 for might height, so 120 pounds to lose. Then after I lose that weight, I have to go to a plastic surgeon to cut off the loose skin, heal up for another 6-8 months while not gaining any weight even though working out becomes harder.

After going through that hell, now the 9'sand 10's are going to be all over me, I'll be swimming in model pussy right? Wrong, now I'm just looking like an average dude who keeps fit. They're a dime a dozen at the gym, and none of them date Instagram models. I still have to become a multi millionaire at the minimum, as well as develop a social circle where I can have access to girls like that, and the free time to give them the experiences they date rich men for.

It's all so far away that it's not my concern now. I'm focused on building my business, and using money to get whatever I can in the sugar world. Once I'm over the hump I'm at now and have a bit more time, I can hit the weights.

EDIT: One other thing I wanted to comment on, have you sugared outside DC? As I said, I have had much more success finding girls I like in Vegas, even though I've only been there on a couple trips vs living in DC. The bell curve is different for different locations, and I think DC is just skewed unfavorably

I could continue to go back and forth but I don't think it would do any good so I'm just going to do you like your sb's and. 👻.

Best of luck with the business success.