NoVA SugarBabies

**Grafenberg** · 01-28-23 07:58

Originally Posted by Faceless02 [View Original Post]

I bought my last sugar baby a poetry book I knew she would like and guess what? She read that whole book to me over face time in the course of a couple days. That's a girl that likes you.

My god, this a crime against humanity, are you ok, brother?

**Rudy Wellz** · 01-28-23 07:50

Originally Posted by Faceless02 [View Original Post]

I'll give this a shot, but realize there will be as many opinions as there are mongers.

First, you have to be honest with your budget, and that honesty might piss her off. 350 2 x a month isn't much to work with and probably doesn't put you that far above someone she could just vanilla date.

Second, you need to determine if she is pushing for more dates because she likes you or is trying to maximize how much she can get from you. Seeing someone you're fucking at minimum once once a week is pretty normal, and most young women will want sex more often than that.

But there are some things you can do that will help her see you in more favorable terms.

Suggest dates where she doesn't have to get dressed up. If you spend any time reading "sugar baby gossip groups" which are the opposite of what we do here, you're going to hear them complaining about how much time it takes to get ready, how much it costs to get their hair and nails done, how much the outfits cost and they feel justified in getting paid to meet your (all sd's) standards. They include the time it takes to get ready in the ppm in the simplest of terms.

Basically what you're going for here is a "relationship type" Netflix and chill. Ask her to come over in her sweatpants, hoodie, no makeup, because you just want to spend time together. I used to call this the "Tuesday special" she gets some money, an easy night without the pressure of the dog and pony show, we both get laid at a lower ppm. If you present this right, it will make sense to her. You can even point out how you want her to be able to spend time with her friends on Friday and Saturday. In her head, she may translate this to a higher paying opportunity with someone willing to pay more than you and you really have to be okay with that.

Personally, I could see asking a premium for weekend time if I were able to sell this beautiful dad bod to the highest budder.

The next thing you're going to want to do is get inside her mind as often as you get in between her legs. That means paying attention to what she cares about, remembering the things that are important to her, remembering her birthday, and figuring out how to make occasions out of things you don't actually give a shit about.

In 5 years when she looks at her boyfriend, and tells him you aren't shit. Right before she says this, you want her to think of you. So do the things that are going to stand out in her mind as someone she would be proud to tell her mother about if you weren't 25 years older than her.

If you really want to put the "does she like me or is she milking me (and fucking you the way you want) Buy her something small that will be more sentimental or practical than a pair of shoes.

Figure out what kind of snacks she likes. What kind of books she is into. Is she "an aspiring ceo" of her one man nail business? Girls like planners, motivational coffee mugs, vision boards, astrology, aura's, pyschic readings, all the shit you and I know is pointless.

I bought my last sugar baby a poetry book I knew she would like and guess what? She read that whole book to me over face time in the course of a couple days. That's a girl that likes you.

It's human nature to be reciprocal after receiving a gift. She might not be able to buy you something, but she knows what you like 🤣 if you don't see her reciprocating kind gestures, she doesn't value them or you any more than the money and the "let's spend more time together is just an act.

Personally, if that was my budget, I would probably stick to ppm and one night stands. That way neither of you get attached and you aren't living above your means to keep a girlfriend you can't afford.

The money is just an introduction, but it can also be used as a tool to keep proper boundaries. You're paying her, and treating her like an employee is part of the deal. Sometimes you have to shake their hand and wish them the best in their next job.

If you could get her to agree to $200 once a week, with 2 of those on days that are easy for her, that would be a solid sb/sd relationship especially if youre ok with her seeing other people on the nights she isnt with you. She can at least justify that as extra money with the opportunity to make more.

Thats my .02

Yesterday evening met up with #2 SB who loves too, and is a pretty good cook. Purchased her a cookbook from a well known chef in a country that she wants to visit. Also picked up a spice that is widely used in that country. Total cost was $40 ish, but she was extremely pleased. Sex is always good, and maybe it was a little bit extra? But really working on the long term benefits as described by Faceless02.

**Rudy Wellz** · 01-28-23 07:33

Originally Posted by AnonDemon69 [View Original Post]

Thank you for the advice, I really appreciate it and it has opened my eyes to this SD / SB world. I had no idea that the usual relationship would require meetings so often. I am too busy (family, work, hobbies, etc) to meet more than once every other week, so it's not even an option. I am going to stick to PPM and even if they want to repeat, I will just keep sticking to that. I don't care if they see other people, it's fwb nsa type of deal anyways. I am on the younger side and could vanilla date, however, without the monetary barrier, they would get attached and things get messy (been there). The main reason to why I am trying this out is to casually date real people but still keep a barrier from getting attached.

It may take a while, but you absolutely can find a SB that stays in 'your lane'. Whatever that is. You want to pay $X and meet twice monthly? There is someone out there who will accept your terms. Obviously more $$ frequency, handsome, fit, nice, etc. Gives you more options. But figure out what works for you, stick with it and have patience.

**Rudy Wellz** · 01-28-23 07:18

Originally Posted by Mandane [View Original Post]

She the type of teacher that would get fired to promote her OF LOL. No way DCPS hires someone that hot.

https://members.seeking.com/member/9...5-8753934f59b2

https://www.instagram.com/daria_gapska/

Reverse search? Great catch and thanks for saving some of us time. She's definitely too hot to be a SB. Not that their aren't some super hot ones in the Bowl, but it's extremely rare.

**SRH59** · 01-27-23 21:43

Originally Posted by Mandane [View Original Post]

She the type of teacher that would get fired to promote her OF LOL. No way DCPS hires someone that hot.

https://members.seeking.com/member/9...5-8753934f59b2

https://www.instagram.com/daria_gapska/

So many of these insta-scammers. But more of the "one amazing photo and that's it" variety. This one stole several photos and then actually wrote something out to seem almost plausible, but-for the smoke show optics. Makes me wonder if it's an outright scam (dude in a wife beater in his basement) vs. Some chick thinking she can claim she's a close proximity. Which never really pans out.

**Mandane** · 01-27-23 21:14

She the type of teacher that would get fired to promote her OF LOL. No way DCPS hires someone that hot.

https://members.seeking.com/member/9...5-8753934f59b2

https://www.instagram.com/daria_gapska/

**AutoRepairru** · 01-27-23 20:24

Originally Posted by Mandane [View Original Post]

Fake.

https://members.seeking.com/member/e...2-ca8d70b1e097

https://www.instagram.com/p/CnztaOGqEeZ/

https://www.instagram.com/pamalaaam/

Ty for the reverse image search. To many red flags and alarm bells going on. Big brain got control of the little. If you're in Richmond and need anything let me know.

**DickLongwood** · 01-27-23 18:01

Originally Posted by FogHorn1 [View Original Post]

https://members.seeking.com/member/d...d-49cded45c369

Starts conversation then immediately says she doesn't "use this app much" and asks for phone number. In broken English, 99.9% chance she's a scammer.

Nice photo, but there's not enough substance in her profile to pursue.

**FogHorn1** · 01-27-23 15:49

https://members.seeking.com/member/d...d-49cded45c369

Starts conversation then immediately says she doesn't "use this app much" and asks for phone number. In broken English, 99.9% chance she's a scammer.

**Mandane** · 01-27-23 15:39

Originally Posted by AutoRepairru [View Original Post]

FlirtySiren on SA TGTBT.

41 yo with the body of a girl in her 20's. Let me know if I messed the boat or dodged a bullet.

Fake.

https://members.seeking.com/member/e...2-ca8d70b1e097

https://www.instagram.com/p/CnztaOGqEeZ/

https://www.instagram.com/pamalaaam/

**AutoRepairru** · 01-27-23 14:12

FlirtySiren on SA TGTBT.

41 yo with the body of a girl in her 20's. Let me know if I messed the boat or dodged a bullet.

**Member #6230** · 01-27-23 11:41

Originally Posted by FogHorn1 [View Original Post]

I've said before, the opportunity to date some of these girls without PPM is more prevalent than people might assume. I'm no spring chicken or bottle service baller, but also on the younger side as SD standards go, and I can usually string together a coherent sentence or two. I've had ample opportunity to turn a sugar relationship into something more conventional. That said, as soon as there isn't a PPM involved, now you lose your autonomy and they start thinking they're your GF and expecting certain things.

I know from experience, sadly. She was actually a great girl but as you would expect, much younger. Sex was incredible and she was one of the coolest girls I've met. She finally moved on, and got a serious BF from hinge or some shit. I continued to bang her for a good part of her being with this guy, he was her age and according to her she really liked him, he was nice, age appropriate, etc. But he didn't eat her pussy and he was basically a two pumps and a pullback kind of guy so she never got hers. She's now engaged to the guy, and we no longer see each other. To be honest, I sort of kick myself over that one because it's the one time I actually caught feelings as well, but never actually let on to her that I did and she got tired of it.

Moral of the story, it's much easier / safer to keep the PPM in place and a clear line drawn so as not to muddy the waters and risk any hurt feelings for either party.

Agreed. When things finally end, you want it to be on good terms. You want them to remember you fondly, not as some guy they wasted their time with. I've never been good at traditional relationships, and years ago realized that each time one ended it was replaced with something better (or at least newer which makes it fun) anyway.

Sugar relationships allow us to move on and remain Allie's, keepers of secrets, and good experiences.

As much as they wear a facade when we meet, and only show us their best, we are also doing the same. After a period of time when the masks finally come off, and what we are left with is our true imperfect selves, it becomes more work than fun. Sugaring allows us to -not answer phone calls and texts, respond to every little thing they deem an emergency, not care how she handles her finances, not care who about infidelity, etc.

The basis of sugaring is mutually beneficial. That means we give them something they are not able to achieve on their own, and we get something that is traditionally unavailable to us without extreme good looks, luck, and the ability to step out of normal social conventions by approaching someone 20 years younger than us in public. We meet in an appropriate place online, we are able to lay out boundaries before we meet, and as the more mature experienced person, it's up to us to maintain those boundaries.

Here are some things that help set those boundaries as well.

"Make sure you invite me to your wedding when you find that guy".

" Can we go shopping together? Help me pick out an outfit so that women will find me more attractive when you move on (with a laugh).

Sugaring helped me get comfortable with beautiful women, with the amount of effort I wanted to put in it. It's helped me to avoid bad relationships, it's helped raise my standards for traditional dating, and opened my eyes to things I wouldn't discover on my own.

The money, the gifts, the extra attention to detail, is payment for services rendered. I always get more out of a good sugar relationship than I give, and she will tell me the same.

They like us for our experiences, don't be afraid to tell them how the "new you" has attracted new fish. It gives them one more reason to do this. (People love to feel good about how they improved someone else's life).

**FogHorn1** · 01-27-23 10:27

Originally Posted by AnonDemon69 [View Original Post]

...it's fwb nsa type of deal anyways. I am on the younger side and could vanilla date, however, without the monetary barrier, they would get attached and things get messy (been there). The main reason to why I am trying this out is to casually date real people but still keep a barrier from getting attached.

I've said before, the opportunity to date some of these girls without PPM is more prevalent than people might assume. I'm no spring chicken or bottle service baller, but also on the younger side as SD standards go, and I can usually string together a coherent sentence or two. I've had ample opportunity to turn a sugar relationship into something more conventional. That said, as soon as there isn't a PPM involved, now you lose your autonomy and they start thinking they're your GF and expecting certain things.

I know from experience, sadly. She was actually a great girl but as you would expect, much younger. Sex was incredible and she was one of the coolest girls I've met. She finally moved on, and got a serious BF from hinge or some shit. I continued to bang her for a good part of her being with this guy, he was her age and according to her she really liked him, he was nice, age appropriate, etc. But he didn't eat her pussy and he was basically a two pumps and a pullback kind of guy so she never got hers. She's now engaged to the guy, and we no longer see each other. To be honest, I sort of kick myself over that one because it's the one time I actually caught feelings as well, but never actually let on to her that I did and she got tired of it.

Moral of the story, it's much easier / safer to keep the PPM in place and a clear line drawn so as not to muddy the waters and risk any hurt feelings for either party.

**FogHorn1** · 01-27-23 10:12

Originally Posted by Jost815 [View Original Post]

Anyone try these girls yet? They are offering solo and duos for 500.

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...9-56bd07f30c84

Thought this might be one of them because she used to offer duos with a friend. MissDoe90.

https://members.seeking.com/member/9...2-18d25fc31951

No idea of one of them is MissDoe or not. She and I established text communication many months ago but I found her to be flaky as hell. Would set a time to meet and then ghost, after she did that twice I didn't return her last text. Time waster as far as I can tell.

**Member #6230** · 01-27-23 00:50

Originally Posted by LouisHernandez [View Original Post]

Agreed. I blew a few opportunities to vanilla a few keeper SBs back in they day that I probably could have had I'd followed some of the advice there. If I ever run across a potential keeper in the future, I'll try some of these tactics.

It's more fun to catch and release. The good ones deserve better than us.