"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Kwagmire]

I have heard of cases of sexual abuse resulting in the victim developing an appetite for same. One SB I knew told me she was raped (not so much through violence but coercion / grooming) by someone that lived in her neighborhood in her early teens. She said while that particular experience disgusted her, she said she really felt that was what triggered her lust for older men. She was already flirting with and trying to get 50+ year old guys to take the bait by the time she was 15 or 16. Out of genuine sexual desire, too.

Similar could happen with incest I'm sure. Traumatic experience results in craving for more. The mind is a strange place.

I've got a long time occasional, on again / off again FWB I've been seeing since she was 19. She's 36 now. I really enjoy her company and she's fun to hang out with and super smart (but somehow can't put it to good use), but mentally she's a mess. Definite psychological disorders from a shitty upbringing, DCF removing her from her parent's home because they were a mess, bouncing around foster homes, eventually being adopted, etc. I love her, but there's a reason she's a FWB and not a girlfriend. She can make life hell, so I have to compartmentalize her and share the good but not the bad.

Anyway, I wonder what the truth is with her. She, too, has always liked older men. She'll swear 'till the cows come home that she was never sexually abused, but I seriously have my doubts. To the topic at hand, when we have sex, not during a quick "let's fuck for fun" session but when the sex is really loving and deeply personal she'll spontaneously suck her thumb. She's done this forever and still to this day. And to this day, I still don't know how to read that. Is our sex bringing up deeply buried past traumatic experiences? Am I hurting her psychologically? Is this just something she does? Is she enjoying a DD / LG fantasy in her head? I'll never know, every time I bring it up she brushes the topic off. I would hate if this is hurting her somehow, but on another level it's REALLY hot.

The mind is indeed a strange place.

[Xaxado]

Very sweet and friendly with good comms, but looking for platonic only.

https://members.seeking.com/member/7...4-cd3c31067354

[OliverNP]

She did mention an abusive upbringing but didn't elaborate. Whatever.

I have heard of cases of sexual abuse resulting in the victim developing an appetite for same. One SB I knew told me she was raped (not so much through violence but coercion / grooming) by someone that lived in her neighborhood in her early teens. She said while that particular experience disgusted her, she said she really felt that was what triggered her lust for older men. She was already flirting with and trying to get 50+ year old guys to take the bait by the time she was 15 or 16. Out of genuine sexual desire, too.

Similar could happen with incest I'm sure. Traumatic experience results in craving for more. The mind is a strange place.

[VABird12]

OK. I don't mean to be a dick but I'm laughing over here. You've seen and paid her 6 times, fucked 2 times and you think it was "going okay until the last 2 weekends of the year"? No, it wasn't. You weren't "dating", you were hiring a hooker. You did NOT have a "Good relationship", you were hiring a hooker and NOT getting laid. And then she got $300 more w / o even being in the same room? COME ON MAN. Remove head from ass. NOW.

I've paid for 2 visits out of the 6 bc those two visits I got laid. The other four times she just wanted to hang out bc, nothing happened but It didn't cost me nothing. Shitt that's why I did the post for a laugh, I'm a dumbass. LOL. Take that as a learning lesson.

I have a few different girls that I only do ppm and others it's free of charge bc we both fulfilling each desires. So I thought this was some hybrid relationship where we can hang out and when I want to fuck it's a ppm deal. Well not doing that ever again. Like I said all the signs were there 3 accounts and some of the stories she told me about her other clients were super sus.

[Tidad]

I can see why this is her 3rd account, I've seen her since Halloween of this year at least 2 a month. And normally it was on dates and fucked twice only so out of 6 visits only hooked up 2 times. But we would hang out and go out on dates. Ppm on the first and second date when we hooked up. The other times she said she was hungry so I took her out to eat. Now everything was going okay until the last 2 weekends of the year. I don't really ever prepay or do any deposits but she asked for 100 for Christmas so she could get something from her family and told me she will make it up too me. I was thinking okay I mean we text and snap all the time we got a Good relationship so why not.

Dumbass #1 and then she told me she wanted to hang out with me for NYE and stay over my place, I was like hell yea. The day of NYE I asked what time I should pick her up she replied "Idk I'm fixing to get discharged form the er because one of my cyct popped" and also someone broke my door at the hotel I was staying at so they are about to kick me out. Sends me a clip of the broke door. I need 200 for them to get it replaced before I leave.

Dumbass#2 I send the money. Then crickets after that. I can't blame anyone else but myself. Now every time I tried to fuck her she had an excuse on why she can't, I'm bleeding, my blah blah blah is hurting, etc. Man I should have dumped her ass a longtime ago. She blocked me on SA so I can't even get the link for her account added. But I have some pictures LOL.

I had a feeling she was doing this to others and they were reporting her before she did the reporting first, well she beat me to the punch now I know why she is on her third account.

OK. I don't mean to be a dick but I'm laughing over here. You've seen and paid her 6 times, fucked 2 times and you think it was "going okay until the last 2 weekends of the year"? No, it wasn't. You weren't "dating", you were hiring a hooker. You did NOT have a "Good relationship", you were hiring a hooker and NOT getting laid. And then she got $300 more w / o even being in the same room? COME ON MAN. Remove head from ass. NOW.

[AssLuVA]

So, has anyone actually met up with this one yet?

https://members.seeking.com/member/5...b-7046f36ccd7c

There has been very little intel on her and she's been on the site for 3 years. She is hitting me up again and sounds like fun but she can never follow through so am curious if any of you all have had luck. If so, DM me the details. Would love to know if she is worth the trouble. Thanks!

[FarFarAway]

Seems like each of us tends to end up w / a typical 'type'. Somewhat like in vanilla dating. I have had a few who got disenchanted w / me after a few dates. Here is an example of a text I got recently.

You know I enjoy our time and appreciate you. However, I feel like I'm not your sugar baby. I don't get gifts on my birthday or holidays. You don't make sure I have enough money at first to book our rooms and I don't even get my favorite champagne. I feel like I'm just someone by the hour to you and that's okay. We would need to rearrange the allowance accordantly to the hour / hours and the extra wants of your desires.

[VABird12]

I can see why this is her 3rd account, I've seen her since Halloween of this year at least 2 a month. And normally it was on dates and fucked twice only so out of 6 visits only hooked up 2 times. But we would hang out and go out on dates. Ppm on the first and second date when we hooked up. The other times she said she was hungry so I took her out to eat. Now everything was going okay until the last 2 weekends of the year. I don't really ever prepay or do any deposits but she asked for 100 for Christmas so she could get something from her family and told me she will make it up too me. I was thinking okay I mean we text and snap all the time we got a Good relationship so why not.

Dumbass #1 and then she told me she wanted to hang out with me for NYE and stay over my place, I was like hell yea. The day of NYE I asked what time I should pick her up she replied "Idk I'm fixing to get discharged form the er because one of my cyct popped" and also someone broke my door at the hotel I was staying at so they are about to kick me out. Sends me a clip of the broke door. I need 200 for them to get it replaced before I leave.

Dumbass#2 I send the money. Then crickets after that. I can't blame anyone else but myself. Now every time I tried to fuck her she had an excuse on why she can't, I'm bleeding, my blah blah blah is hurting, etc. Man I should have dumped her ass a longtime ago. She blocked me on SA so I can't even get the link for her account added. But I have some pictures LOL.

I had a feeling she was doing this to others and they were reporting her before she did the reporting first, well she beat me to the punch now I know why she is on her third account.

[Ernest Ll]

That's just what most of us would call normal DD / LG play. To me incest is defined by sex with an actual family member, so when someone is playing the character of a family member, there is no way incest is factored into the picture at all.

Now, I do get why some folks make a *cognitive association* between role playing daddy / daughter and actual incest, but that is a difference that takes place in their mind.

It's no different than a woman calling her bf daddy or referring to him as a sugarDADDY in the first place. The word "daddy" is there right, and we know why. The fact the word daddy and baby was ever brought into the concept of a sexual relationship between older man and younger woman is no doubt rooted in taboo thoughts. It's one of those things we're not supposed to want to do and that's part of what makes it fun.

But people are used to hearing that. They aren't so used to it getting more specific like "cum in your daughters little pussy daddy". But some girls have a FIERCE DD / LG kink and anyone who likes good sex would benefit from rolling with it when that's the case.

She did mention an abusive upbringing but didn't elaborate. Whatever.

[OliverNP]

I saw a UVA gal all spring semester who had a serious incest fetish. Not just calling me daddy, but wanted me to call her my sluttly little daughter and insisted on my dumping inside her to get her pregnant (she was on birth control and had a boyfriend who plowed and seeded her regularly).

Not exactly sure what was going on back home -- parents paid for school, she sugared for kicks and graduation trip money -- but that was pretty extreme.

That's just what most of us would call normal DD / LG play. To me incest is defined by sex with an actual family member, so when someone is playing the character of a family member, there is no way incest is factored into the picture at all.

Now, I do get why some folks make a *cognitive association* between role playing daddy / daughter and actual incest, but that is a difference that takes place in their mind.

It's no different than a woman calling her bf daddy or referring to him as a sugarDADDY in the first place. The word "daddy" is there right, and we know why. The fact the word daddy and baby was ever brought into the concept of a sexual relationship between older man and younger woman is no doubt rooted in taboo thoughts. It's one of those things we're not supposed to want to do and that's part of what makes it fun.

But people are used to hearing that. They aren't so used to it getting more specific like "cum in your daughters little pussy daddy". But some girls have a FIERCE DD / LG kink and anyone who likes good sex would benefit from rolling with it when that's the case.

[CandyMan555]

I think you used to be able to do this Not sure if it is possible.

Any info? Thanks CM.

[GutterMind4]

You likely have to pay the subscription. The ladies don't have to pay so that would be too easy for you to get around the whole payment thing. When my subscription runs out, I think it prompts me to renew to "message" girls. I may be wrong about their ability to see it but, either way, you can't even see if they opened the message unless you are paid. I would suggest paying for a month, making as many contacts as possible, get them off line anyway possible (text, ig, snap, what'sapp), and when the subscription runs out you have all that to work through. Once you weed out or fuck all those babes, you re-up for another month. They hope you get addicted or encouraged to keep the upgrade but for the first year of it, I only paid once every 2 or 3 months. I'm on year 2 and have enough to keep me busy for a few weeks. It doesn't mean I'm meeting a lot, but plenty based on the time I have to spend on it.

I have a standard membership right now. I seem to have an option to message but when some messages me back I cannot read it. Does anyone know if my messages can be read by those I send them to? I have tried sending my number in the intro message explaining the situation but I haven't gotten any results. Trying to figure out if I am just wasting my time.

[Ernest Ll]

There are people like me that consider the idea of actual incest to be revolting. For whatever reason the DD / LG thing doesn't translate to incest in my brain or my genitals, and I imagine same is true for many..

I saw a UVA gal all spring semester who had a serious incest fetish. Not just calling me daddy, but wanted me to call her my sluttly little daughter and insisted on my dumping inside her to get her pregnant (she was on birth control and had a boyfriend who plowed and seeded her regularly).

Not exactly sure what was going on back home -- parents paid for school, she sugared for kicks and graduation trip money -- but that was pretty extreme.

[TennisStud90]

I have a standard membership right now. I seem to have an option to message but when some messages me back I cannot read it. Does anyone know if my messages can be read by those I send them to? I have tried sending my number in the intro message explaining the situation but I haven't gotten any results. Trying to figure out if I am just wasting my time.

[OliverNP]

I think there is some confusion about what DD / LG really is. The DD part is dom daddy, right? The girls that really want to play this kink as I see it, they want to do stuff like talk baby talk, wear diapers, have stuffed animals ('stuffies') around, etc. Act as if they are pre-pubescent. I don't see it as very sexy at all. Just because a girl wants to call you daddy, or shouts out while you are banging her 'fuck me daddy', I don't consider that DD / LG. More likely, it is a sign of being submissive. If they want to call you daddy, they may want to be called **** or *****. That's just being submissive in my book.

It's like all things sexual, there are varying degrees of it. If you google DD / LG you'll get one impression of it (the wearing of diapers and such. I consider that extreme and personally is not my thing). I don't find this to be what most girls into it mean.

To me part of the fun of it is letting her reveal where HER threshold is. Some girls have a direct association between daddy talk, things like stuffed animals and pajamas, and a sort of stern but loving / caring / affectionate daddy that is not quite the same or as simple (or as definable) as dominant / submissive behavior. It sometimes taps into some element of their life that was really missing in their youth, and when things line up and everything falls into place it can send them into orgasmic bliss that guarantees you'll never have to pay her again unless you want to to keep her at arms length, because it unlocks something special that they need and is hard for them to find anywhere else. It's because not everyone gets this that the magic happens. If everyone got it, it would become as common as regular sub / dom and everyone one would do it then its a dime a dozen.

There are people like me that consider the idea of actual incest to be revolting. For whatever reason the DD / LG thing doesn't translate to incest in my brain or my genitals, and I imagine same is true for many.

As I'm typing this I remember one girl that loved nothing more than to get in her pajamas and climb into my lap as I sat to be cuddled and talked to like a loving father talks to a child. That usually got her hot and pussy wet, at which time she would switch character, initiate sex, and fuck mostly as an adult.

But like I said, it is a polarizing kink. Not everyone gets it. I guess that's part of what makes it special.