Massage Parlor Reports

[KingArt]

My mileage was somewhat different.

Kara was before Covid my go to AMP. Service fell off during the Pandemic. Your post told me I should return.

I called right at opening and asked fore Lily. The MamaSan told me she had a new girl I should come in and see. After a little back and forth I agreed. I was there 5 minutes later and greeted by Candy. Skinny Korean provider with a nice smile. I would put her at well preserved late 40's. Good looking for sure, but hair thinning to the point you can see her scalp if you look close.

Nice interaction. 80 for the house and off to the table shower. It was a very good table shower with everything cleaned well. I think she was preparing me for FS.

In the room a very good massage. Not CMT but still very good. At the flip I asked her if she wanted a massage. She enthusiastically said yes. I enjoyed giving her the massage, but did not do any FIV or DATY. Just a good massage. She did massage my cock a bit during her massage.

Ok, now I am back on the table and she askes what I want. I say just a hand job please. She looks a little disappointed and says ok 100. I say no, I only brought 60. Lots of histrionics. She puts her clothes on. I say, if you don't want to do a HJ for 60 (140 total), that is ok. She then says how about 80. I say no 60. She gives in and gives me a passable hand job and ends the session about 15 minutes early.

This would have been a very good session even with the ending early and the negotiation. However, as I am getting dressed she made it clear she was ANGRY. Her parting thought was "next time ask for Lily".

IMO 120 total should be enough for a clothes on OTC roaming HJ. I went 140 because she stripped down for me (I did not ask she just did it). For her second bid (80+80 = 160 total) I would expect a CBJ. For what she asked (180) I would expect a CBJ, prostate massage or more. I would not expect FS for 180.

I have a request. Everyone. Don't pay 180 for a massage and a HJ!

You can get an hour CMT massage for 65+15 or 80 with tip. You can get FS from a nice Latina or ACS for 80. That is a one hour CMT level massage and 15 minute FS for 160. Kara AMP does include a table shower and that is worth something. But a HJ, table shower and AMP massage is not worth 180.

All this said, thanks for the review.

I think you were too nice and even overpaid and she still wanted to take advantage of you as they typically do nowadays. You were even shorted and she got a free massage too from you (LOL). How can she treat you like that, seriously? Always treat the ladies with respect, very true, but good men deserve to be respected too.

[NyHornet]

As with any hobby, there's not a lot of hand holding done to get newbies off on the right track. You kind of have to feel around (pun intended) and set your own rules and expectations because there's no moderation in this business both to its success and simultaneously it's detriment. What worked for me however, was that before I even ventured to my first AMP, I uncovered this website first and spent a good amount of my free time going through post after post and what the seniors call RTTF (reading through the forum) this helped me get a basic idea of what to expect at my visit and how much I should pay. But it didn't stop me from awkwardly tipping the MMS $10 as she was leading me out the door like some kind of Maitre 'D (it was awkward and thankfully I only ever made that mistake once) though some seniors even pointed out that back in the old days this kind of behavior was normal and sometimes even got you a better selection of ladies.

YMMV: your mileage may vary. The golden rule of mongering. The ladies aren't robots. Sure, some may have the personalities of one and streamline their services the same way to all men but most of the time Johnny Six-pack who dances his way into the AMP wearing his Corneliani and rolls a nat 20 on charisma is going to get better service for his dollar than 400 Pound Andy who shows up in sweatpants smelling like cigarettes and Doritos.

Grip, this is an outstanding post. You certainly have a firm Grip on this hobby. When I got my first massage over 16 years ago I was very naive regarding this hobby. It took me awhile to figure out the deal but now with an estimated 700-750 massages from places like massage envy to FS AMPs and independent providers to my credit I know what my expectations are going in and only take $ the max I'm willing to pay with me. Sometimes I get what I desire and sometimes not and on those occasions I leave with some of the $ I brought. Yes, I have occasionally over tipped and recently I left Thai Lucy without eve a HJ because I refused to tip her another $40 above her $120 rate just to get a HJ after her very inconsistent massage. Yes, it's important to respect your hard earned funds but also respect the ladies. No matter their age or looks or skills some have limits and they need to be respected also. Then tip appropriately. I don't think I ever just got up and left just because a provider had limits. And never return? I might give the place some time before I return to see if there has been turnover in staff. In addition the experienced monger knows the menu may open up after a couple of visits. All part of the game.

[Galleon]

Quick Google of her number says she's a criminal intelligence analyst. I don't know about you but that's enough for me to steer clear of her LOL.

Some more googling netted that on top of said position was when she was with the Cali Dept. Of Justice, she was simultaneously a massage therapist / massage business owner. This is confusing LOL.

[Telcova]

(I made the mistake of posting the night of the massage and it's a dead giveaway of my identity, as I know some of these ladies do indeed read our post. I'm not making that mistake again).

Ditto. Live and learn.

[OldBoomer]

Was running errand in Burke last week and had some time to kill. Although 3 MPs popped up in Adultsearch, none had reviews and didn't want to TOFTT at some remote place. Changed search to Fairfax and Kara Spa was closest to me.

Called ahead and made appointment for 30 minutes later. Very professional business center near GMU, but entrance is behind door to 4 business offices.

Was greeted by Lilly, appeared to be late 30's Korean with B cup and cute ass. Convinced her to lower mask and she has charismatic smile and warm brown eyes. Spoke better English than most AMPs.

Note: she was nervous when she saw my handgun and asked me if I would lock it in my truck. Because she asked nicely and without sounding like an anti-gun jerk, I did so.

Paid house fee of. 8 and got ready for table shower. Not too much flirting but had already admitted it was my first visit. Otherwise a good TS and she made sure every crack and crevice was clean and thoroughly rinsed off. Toweled me dry with a good mix of seeming to be a caring person but still g-rated flirting.

Massage started with her walking on my back (a first for me), then proceeded to use hands, asking if I mind if she used lotion since skin was dry. Once she started, I moved arms to be able to touch her, she stopped and put them back along my sides. I asked "no touching," she answered not yet.

The massage itself was fantastic, medium to hard, one of the best I've had (8-9/10). Found some knots and really worked them out.

Before the flip, suddenly felt her tits gently rubbing my back. Totally her choice, didn't ask for it, and having limited cash would have settled for uneventful massage. But felt those pencil eraser sized nipples drawing designs on my back was great.

On the flip, she got her mouth near my Johnson but I wasn't going to ask so she just started stroking, added a little oil, did a great job. She allowed me to roam over her panties (tiny skirt pulled up) and play with her soft, small tits.

Cold meds from earlier in day kept things from getting hard, but together, we finally worked out the tension there.

She heard door bell ring and I laughed, telling her to give me the hot cloth to clean up while she conducted business.

When she came back in, I was dressed and gave her. 6 (4 for the NOVA + 2 for great massage). She motioned to give her more but I politely said no, especially if you want me to come back. She didn't argue.

Overall 8/10, will definitely go back when I'm in the area.

YMMV I may have gained an edge by recalling the Korean expressions I learned while in country.

My mileage was somewhat different.

Kara was before Covid my go to AMP. Service fell off during the Pandemic. Your post told me I should return.

I called right at opening and asked fore Lily. The MamaSan told me she had a new girl I should come in and see. After a little back and forth I agreed. I was there 5 minutes later and greeted by Candy. Skinny Korean provider with a nice smile. I would put her at well preserved late 40's. Good looking for sure, but hair thinning to the point you can see her scalp if you look close.

Nice interaction. 80 for the house and off to the table shower. It was a very good table shower with everything cleaned well. I think she was preparing me for FS.

In the room a very good massage. Not CMT but still very good. At the flip I asked her if she wanted a massage. She enthusiastically said yes. I enjoyed giving her the massage, but did not do any FIV or DATY. Just a good massage. She did massage my cock a bit during her massage.

Ok, now I am back on the table and she askes what I want. I say just a hand job please. She looks a little disappointed and says ok 100. I say no, I only brought 60. Lots of histrionics. She puts her clothes on. I say, if you don't want to do a HJ for 60 (140 total), that is ok. She then says how about 80. I say no 60. She gives in and gives me a passable hand job and ends the session about 15 minutes early.

This would have been a very good session even with the ending early and the negotiation. However, as I am getting dressed she made it clear she was ANGRY. Her parting thought was "next time ask for Lily".

IMO 120 total should be enough for a clothes on OTC roaming HJ. I went 140 because she stripped down for me (I did not ask she just did it). For her second bid (80+80 = 160 total) I would expect a CBJ. For what she asked (180) I would expect a CBJ, prostate massage or more. I would not expect FS for 180.

I have a request. Everyone. Don't pay 180 for a massage and a HJ!

You can get an hour CMT massage for 65+15 or 80 with tip. You can get FS from a nice Latina or ACS for 80. That is a one hour CMT level massage and 15 minute FS for 160. Kara AMP does include a table shower and that is worth something. But a HJ, table shower and AMP massage is not worth 180.

All this said, thanks for the review.

[TheDrowned]

Not IN Fairfax I'm afraid, but the closest I'm aware of is For Him or Her. Pretty close to Tyson's Corner Center.

IIRC there's another Latina massage parlor that's opened recently. I've seen some chatter about it. But I think it's also closer in or nearby Tysons.

It was talked about on the board a couple of months ago. I wasn't sure it was still around so I had to RTTF and do some investigative journalism but I did find it and made an appt with a Venezuelan latina who was rocking a nice plump bum and some big ol teddies. I will write a more thorough review but not today. (I made the mistake of posting the night of the massage and it's a dead giveaway of my identity, as I know some of these ladies do indeed read our post. I'm not making that mistake again).

[Fatpig]

https://us-nova.bedpage.com/therapeu.../22602771.html

Looks like Candy is back with a new number.

Looks like her rates are going up too. $120 for 45 minutes plus tip for NOVA.

[CapitalSeeker]

Does anyone know where I can find a Latina massage parlor located in Fairfax?

Not IN Fairfax I'm afraid, but the closest I'm aware of is For Him or Her. Pretty close to Tyson's Corner Center.

IIRC there's another Latina massage parlor that's opened recently. I've seen some chatter about it. But I think it's also closer in or nearby Tysons.

[AlmostRetired]

A friend of mine recently visited an independent lady in the Tyson area, during the shower and massage the lady mentioned something about a bad lost or black lost of guys that they share, so when they are contacted they basically ignore or blow off the guy, also he said the lady told him several are now blocking or ignoring App calls, has anyone else run into that or know what site she was talking about?

I have long since suspected they have a network and so I am not surprised at all. A lot of the AMPs get their MTs from should I say a "larger" network. Years ago when I was still into outcall dreaming, the number that called me back was a Mamasan in NYC and she proceeded to tell me to say my type and she would deliver. Also when my fav MT at the time came over, a car and driver waited for her. Very few are truly 100% independent and with the madness that exists, it only makes sense they be safe out there. As we all should be.

[DoctorDoctor]

A friend of mine recently visited an independent lady in the Tyson area, during the shower and massage the lady mentioned something about a bad lost or black lost of guys that they share, so when they are contacted they basically ignore or blow off the guy, also he said the lady told him several are now blocking or ignoring App calls, has anyone else run into that or know what site she was talking about?

One thing to remember is these Indys don't live in a bubble. Yes, they share experiences, names, etc. It's a way of creating a "safety"net as it were.

[RubLover21]

Today, house + 120 is my standard, up to a B2 B slide or 3 x 23....
Above all, be nice. Counts more than a six-pack.

P.S. House + 140 is the highest I have gone for CFS. I don't do BBFS and lube + hat = reduced sensation, and in any case there's a get-it-done factor with penetration. Some places push FS rather than just offering it, and I find that a turn-off. My impression is that LEO has not been busting parlors since the pandemic and higher service levels are easier to come by.

[TheOuroboros]

A friend of mine recently visited an independent lady in the Tyson area, during the shower and massage the lady mentioned something about a bad lost or black lost of guys that they share, so when they are contacted they basically ignore or blow off the guy, also he said the lady told him several are now blocking or ignoring App calls, has anyone else run into that or know what site she was talking about?

If they are blocking APP calls, then they will lose ALOT of business. Period. Not a good idea to use a real number in this case. Maybe burner would be the way to go but hey, If they block my number for using an APP that's fine by me. There's no lack of action here atm, plenty of options to choose from.

On the flip side, many ladies have regulars and don't deviate from the central curve but once that falls off and fails to be lucrative the policy will change real quick and the black list will become a lighter shade of grey. Believe that.

[RubLover21]

Fully nude HJ with lots of mutual play / kissing, CBJ: $80-120 depending on a variety of factors, the age and sexiness of provider / the amount of services done / your overall enjoyment of the flip, ie: chemsitry.

BBBJ or CFS: 120-160 depending again on the same factors described. Now you may be inclined to tip more if you receive more or in order to develop a better relationship with the provider. I'm ok with going outside the baseline of the numbers I mentioned if it's within reason. I once paid $$$.5 to tip but it was for BBFS with a young provider. That was also the limit I set to myself. The highest I'm willing to pay for the service and it has to be the crme de la crme of services rendered with a bombshell of a provider.

It's all about setting expectations but also setting limits. I don't care how hot a provider is. I don't pay $100 for just a basic HJ, I may up it to 60 and use the NOVA+ bracket under the excuse the provider is hotter than baseline but I wouldn't go into CBJ / full nude play bracket for minimum service, I don't care how hot a provider is, I will walk away if quoted that much $ for service(and believe me I have). I can jerk off to better looking chicks on pornhub for free and get to the same endgame.

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Concur. When I stepped back into the VA AMP scene I didn't really know what to expect the first time. I had 160 on me, booked the full hour and found myself with a mature but fascinatingly tiny provider and I wanted to see her naked. 100 was her idea of a tip for full nudity but she risked offering me a first-time discount. I did return repeatedly so it paid off. Today, house + 120 is my standard, up to a B2 B slide or 3 x 23.

Research. Some places are legit. I don't know of any legit places that have table showers. Legit places have few reviews on Rubmaps.

Manners! Be clean. Even if you're taking the TS option. Mop up a bit if you can't come straight from the shower. Plus points for being trimmed or shaved. You want your new friend to get her nose in there.

Unless you're confident of your performance, refrain from spanking the monkey, bashing the bishop, twanging the wire &c for at least 24 h prior. Nobody wants to be tugging on you for 40 minutes, like trying to start an old Chevy on a cold day.

Give yourself time and space. Be comfortable. Don't bring anything into the AMP except $ and car keys. If you want to, put house $ in one pocket and tip in another to avoid fumbling.

Let your lady take the lead to start, although if you're on a 30 min I think it's quite ok to say "start with soft touch". I had one great first-time experience recently. ST was barely started when the lady paused, I heard a rustle of fabric and then a nude body was sliding on me and a voice whispering in my ear "I like you". OTOH, if it's your first time with AMP or lady, there will be a pause and a negotiation. Be clear. "I want you to take everything off and make me c*m" is quite acceptable.

Whatever you do, start lightly and feel for signals. Do not, for example, go for the nips as if you're trying to tune your car radio in the hills of Appalachia. If she likes it so will you.

Likewise, communicate clearly if you want her to go faster or slower. Most ladies will give you your full time.

Above all, be nice. Counts more than a six-pack.

[CoolWays]

A friend of mine recently visited an independent lady in the Tyson area, during the shower and massage the lady mentioned something about a bad lost or black lost of guys that they share, so when they are contacted they basically ignore or blow off the guy, also he said the lady told him several are now blocking or ignoring App calls, has anyone else run into that or know what site she was talking about?

[Silk3434]

Quick Google of her number says she's a criminal intelligence analyst. I don't know about you but that's enough for me to steer clear of her LOL.

But the girl that I've met is not even 30 and can't speak more than a few words of english. So probably some case of double identity here. No way she's been working in Criminal Justice in California / Riverside to be exact for the past 30 years. (from the linkedin profile).