"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[Member #6718]

I agree that 23-ish is somewhat of a "magic spot", in terms of the right combination of being interested enough in a "real" relationship such that they aren't focused on money, but not yet into the 26+ category where they are already exhibiting signs of "OMG my clock is ticking I'm almost 30" etc.

But I guess I was trying to convey that 26+ becomes my "be careful" threshold in terms of going out of my way to be sure I'm not getting involved in a clingy / drama situation where she is expecting me to be a boyfriend.

I don't generally equate 26+ with necessarily becoming more pro -- I've certainly known the types that gravitate in that direction but I think in general something about my sugar workflow seems to be good at avoiding the pro-minded or UTR escort types. But yes in general, if they are of that type then it does get worse with age.

That all makes a lot of sense.

My MO is a little different. I am single, and enjoy dating younger chicks. So if they end up wanting it to be more of regular relationship, and I am into them, then I am generally 100% down with that. My challenge in my home turf is most of the chicks these days tend to be more pro about it all.

[OliverNP]

Funnily enough I have had the opposite experience. I find 26+ they start getting a bit pro about it. For some unknown reason my magic age spot is 23 LOL. This year I have had at least three 23 year olds who have ended up dating me fairly normally, sugar free or "light" sugar (just nice dinners, events, little help with the odd bill etc). I think I may be getting into a relationship with one of them.

I agree that 23-ish is somewhat of a "magic spot", in terms of the right combination of being interested enough in a "real" relationship such that they aren't focused on money, but not yet into the 26+ category where they are already exhibiting signs of "OMG my clock is ticking I'm almost 30" etc.

But I guess I was trying to convey that 26+ becomes my "be careful" threshold in terms of going out of my way to be sure I'm not getting involved in a clingy / drama situation where she is expecting me to be a boyfriend.

I don't generally equate 26+ with necessarily becoming more pro -- I've certainly known the types that gravitate in that direction but I think in general something about my sugar workflow seems to be good at avoiding the pro-minded or UTR escort types. But yes in general, if they are of that type then it does get worse with age.

[Member #6718]

26 is right about the age that I find this mindset tends to emerge in them. I've actually come to prefer the 18-25 year old range, because I can be fairly sure they aren't going to start dropping hints that they want to be my sugar-free girlfriend after the second fuck session. 26 or over and it seems to happen more often than it doesn't. I understand why some are in search of that, because once they've decided they want that it can lead to some amazing sugar-free sex, but I find there are side effects that occur when their mind is in "girl friend mode". Like they start wanting to know too much about me, they text constantly and otherwise become clingy, etc. I'm really only in it for the sex and fun, I don't need the relationship responsibilities. For that reason I go a bit younger. It still happens to some extent if they are over 21, but I haven't had much problems with clingy behavior in the 18-20 age range.

Funnily enough I have had the opposite experience. I find 26+ they start getting a bit pro about it. For some unknown reason my magic age spot is 23 LOL. This year I have had at least three 23 year olds who have ended up dating me fairly normally, sugar free or "light" sugar (just nice dinners, events, little help with the odd bill etc). I think I may be getting into a relationship with one of them.

[FarFarAway]

Few things to add:

Most gift cards (like Vanilla) will not work if used for a recurring subscription so only use them for a one-time fee.

Retail vanilla card only allows you to set a PIN online, not a billing zip code.

A vanilla account lets you buy virtual vanilla cards online but does not seem to allow you to add a retail purchased (physical) card to the vanilla account or a billing zip code to a retail card.

If you add a new seeking account, use a new payment method because seeking will cross reference payment methods and ban new account.

So. I'm not an expert, I learned this over a past few frustrating daysI'm going to use a Publix card as suggested below.

You definitely got it right when you said you aren't an expert. Track down my posts in the past month on this topic. Use a OneVanilla prepaid debit card. Those can be hard to locate. They are in packaging w / a vertical window. You must Phone in to the 800# to set a zip code for the card so it can be "used for pay at the pump and online purchases". Once you do that, it will work seamlessly first time for online purchase of membership on seeking. I only ever get a month at a time. No reason to do more.

[OliverNP]

The girls I look for and wind up dating are going through a phase in life where they're either focused on finishing school or starting their career and they're tired of the shit they have to deal with from guys their own age. They want an older man who treats them with respect, doesn't make them pay for dinner or drinks and knows how to keep them cumming over and over. If you get a good one she'll be mature enough to accept it for exactly what it is and give you the ride of your life for a year or two until she gets it out of her system and decides she's ready to find someone (else) to settle down with.

I've been fortunate enough to have done this several times; the girl I've been seeing for about a year now is an extraordinarily sweet, pretty 26 year old that falls squarely into the description above. She's a college grad, working hard to establish her career and is doing pretty well for herself. She doesn't want to even think about looking for a husband until she's 30. But she does want a good man in her life to keep her physically satisfied. We're in an exclusive relationship and we're both pretty happy about it. She does consider herself my girlfriend, and to be completely honest I'm good with that. She doesn't just respect my boundaries for our relationship, she embraces them. It's truly 100% drama free. But most importantly, she puts it on me hard every time I see her and acts like I'm doing *her* a favor. It's really hard to explain just how far she goes out of her way to accommodate all of my needs and make sure I'm always completely fulfilled ... it's almost too good to be true. I get all I can handle (and then some) and it doesn't cost me a dime outside of the dinners we share together. It's really tough to complain.

26 is right about the age that I find this mindset tends to emerge in them. I've actually come to prefer the 18-25 year old range, because I can be fairly sure they aren't going to start dropping hints that they want to be my sugar-free girlfriend after the second fuck session. 26 or over and it seems to happen more often than it doesn't. I understand why some are in search of that, because once they've decided they want that it can lead to some amazing sugar-free sex, but I find there are side effects that occur when their mind is in "girl friend mode". Like they start wanting to know too much about me, they text constantly and otherwise become clingy, etc. I'm really only in it for the sex and fun, I don't need the relationship responsibilities. For that reason I go a bit younger. It still happens to some extent if they are over 21, but I haven't had much problems with clingy behavior in the 18-20 age range.

[SolarFun]

Few things to add:

Most gift cards (like Vanilla) will not work if used for a recurring subscription so only use them for a one-time fee.

Retail vanilla card only allows you to set a PIN online, not a billing zip code.

A vanilla account lets you buy virtual vanilla cards online but does not seem to allow you to add a retail purchased (physical) card to the vanilla account or a billing zip code to a retail card.

If you add a new seeking account, use a new payment method because seeking will cross reference payment methods and ban new account.

So. I'm not an expert, I learned this over a past few frustrating daysI'm going to use a Publix card as suggested below.

Ok, I appreciate those who helped me in the past with getting back on Seeking, after getting banned, so I thought I would write a short guide for others. (And even if you aren't banned, there are some tips about what prepaid cards seem to work to renew subscriptions).

1. Make a brand new Seeking account, with all new information. I usually just do this at home, behind a VPN, and with a new Proton email address. But you could use public wifi if you preferred. Sometimes it will insta-ban that newly created account, and other times it will let you proceed. But I would assume that gmail, or similar, is probably even more likely to work. (Don't use your regular naked home IP address, as that's just careless and ill advised).

[SolarFun]

I've been on seeking for over a year and last month my account was put on hold pending verification. I don't think it's because of anything I said because I stay very generic until we get offsite. I removed the app and I'm probably done with SA.

Has anyone had this experience?

What could have caused this after a year paying for the site?

Has anyone done this verification?

I did not do the verification, but this is the process copied from a seeking email.

To do so on your browser:

1. Log into your account.

2. Click on 'Get Verified'.

3. Select the 'Start'.

4. You'll have the option to continue the process on your mobile device (by scanning the QR code) or continuing on your browser.

5. Submit the front of your I'd.

6. Submit the back of your I'd (If you are submitting a passport, scan the front of your passport twice).

7. Take a selfie and then follow the rest of the prompts to complete your submission.

If you decide to just open a new account, use a new method of payment because they will cross reference and suspend the new account.

[FarFarAway]

You're only paying dinner with no allowance? Nice deal.

I can tell you that Mr. JoyDrop is the real deal. There are some people here who claim that there is no such thing as a guy having game, and that the deal you make w / a girl is simply a financial transaction. He is the exception to that rule for sure. I don't think many of us have his talents, so we can't exactly mimic his strategy, but we can aspire to it.

I met a 30's girl off SA recently, the GM of an auto dealership. Tall slender and pretty MILF (maybe needs a little trip to the dentist). I focused on overall interactions w / her in the M&G, didn't spend much time at all on the sexual part. I did ask what sort of gift she needed to FC, her non-committal response was something like 'oh, I do pretty well for myself, but I'm a girl, I like to get my hair done, my manicures, etc. And that is what I get out of an arrangement. ' Well I am still in the dark on allowance based on that. So I guessed. I am in California where the market is high, but I got her a gift card to Lululemon for 100, and 250 cash. Oh, yes, and a $7 bouquet from the grocery store. Well, in the FC, she was the bomb. Totally amazing 37 D boobs, all natural, bearing very dark and very large nipples. Which commanded attention for a long long time. Many funs were had. She is incredibly submissive, just begged to be told what to do.

Texting her after, DYK what she said? That the gifts I got her were amazing, and the flowers she put in her office. I went overboard. I should have just given her the 250 and the flowers.

[TheLife1]

That made me laugh out loud when I read it. And yeah, that is my "thing".

Nothing against those of you who are looking to smash PPM, but I prefer the longer term relationships. Different strokes for different folks right? I'm married, I use SA to find girls who have a fantasy of being in a relationship with an older man and don't mind being the side chick. The best ones prefer it. It's not easy to find a girl with the right mindset, but when you do, damn it can be good.

The girls I look for and wind up dating are going through a phase in life where they're either focused on finishing school or starting their career and they're tired of the shit they have to deal with from guys their own age. They want an older man who treats them with respect, doesn't make them pay for dinner or drinks and knows how to keep them cumming over and over. If you get a good one she'll be mature enough to accept it for exactly what it is and give you the ride of your life for a year or two until she gets it out of her system and decides she's ready to find someone (else) to settle down with.

I've been fortunate enough to have done this several times; the girl I've been seeing for about a year now is an extraordinarily sweet, pretty 26 year old that falls squarely into the description above. She's a college grad, working hard to establish her career and is doing pretty well for herself. She doesn't want to even think about looking for a husband until she's 30. But she does want a good man in her life to keep her physically satisfied. We're in an exclusive relationship and we're both pretty happy about it. She does consider herself my girlfriend, and to be completely honest I'm good with that. She doesn't just respect my boundaries for our relationship, she embraces them. It's truly 100% drama free. But most importantly, she puts it on me hard every time I see her and acts like I'm doing *her* a favor. It's really hard to explain just how far she goes out of her way to accommodate all of my needs and make sure I'm always completely fulfilled ... it's almost too good to be true. I get all I can handle (and then some) and it doesn't cost me a dime outside of the dinners we share together. It's really tough to complain.

You're only paying dinner with no allowance? Nice deal.

[BumbaCloth]

Any info on her?

https://members.seeking.com/member/5...7-1809d583944c

[JoyDrop]

That's called a girlfriend. And if that your thing, well more power to you.

That made me laugh out loud when I read it. And yeah, that is my "thing".

Nothing against those of you who are looking to smash PPM, but I prefer the longer term relationships. Different strokes for different folks right? I'm married, I use SA to find girls who have a fantasy of being in a relationship with an older man and don't mind being the side chick. The best ones prefer it. It's not easy to find a girl with the right mindset, but when you do, damn it can be good.

The girls I look for and wind up dating are going through a phase in life where they're either focused on finishing school or starting their career and they're tired of the shit they have to deal with from guys their own age. They want an older man who treats them with respect, doesn't make them pay for dinner or drinks and knows how to keep them cumming over and over. If you get a good one she'll be mature enough to accept it for exactly what it is and give you the ride of your life for a year or two until she gets it out of her system and decides she's ready to find someone (else) to settle down with.

I've been fortunate enough to have done this several times; the girl I've been seeing for about a year now is an extraordinarily sweet, pretty 26 year old that falls squarely into the description above. She's a college grad, working hard to establish her career and is doing pretty well for herself. She doesn't want to even think about looking for a husband until she's 30. But she does want a good man in her life to keep her physically satisfied. We're in an exclusive relationship and we're both pretty happy about it. She does consider herself my girlfriend, and to be completely honest I'm good with that. She doesn't just respect my boundaries for our relationship, she embraces them. It's truly 100% drama free. But most importantly, she puts it on me hard every time I see her and acts like I'm doing *her* a favor. It's really hard to explain just how far she goes out of her way to accommodate all of my needs and make sure I'm always completely fulfilled ... it's almost too good to be true. I get all I can handle (and then some) and it doesn't cost me a dime outside of the dinners we share together. It's really tough to complain.

[Gatsby32]

If they are selling ass, their amateur status is gone.

Naanii is a pro she on listcrawler.

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...1-17db5edbda8e

https://www.eros.com/georgia/atlanta/files/2131029.htm

[BumbaCloth]

Naanii is a pro she on listcrawler.

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...1-17db5edbda8e

https://www.eros.com/georgia/atlanta/files/2131029.htm

[BumbaCloth]

She asked for 3 k allowance.

So I have not seen her, but exchanged several message with her about 4 years ago. So she has been around. I believe she is a hair stylist in the suburbs or exurbs. The reason I remember her is she was asking for an allowance that clear GPS. I know it was at least $$ But her pics were nice and she did seem to have that crazy hair dresser vibe.

[DudeNextDoor]

She's a scammer. Says she's looking for FWB / NSA and moves to text. She's using pics of some * girl. I found it through an image search that had a few twitter hits. I blocked and reported her so can't share the link to her page now.