Massage Parlor Reports

[Benz1]

While I don't always share your viewpoint, I do respect it. And I think this saga illustrates the need for all here to share data. But accurate data. Perhaps others can weigh in as well. We need more posting and reviews.

G2.

Thank you Gene2.

I wasn't summoning you to go visit, hoping for an update only if you had visited. I personally don't need to know. I'm concerned for our community.
Broadway Jay is right, LE isn't worried about a few guys getting a rub and HJ. When the Wayland house vehicles got pulled over drug free vehicles didn't get in trouble. The owner and his main lady were the only ones in trouble.( To my knowledge) How would I know? I followed it closely, since the owner told me to fuck off when I warned him.

No need to rush in, I agree with Broadway

I'm sure there are others who have real information not speculation who can fill us in on why the BBU crew is not giving us information.

I'm not saying there is an investigation, it's very coincidental the rumor and lack of postings are happening at the same time.

Gene, others who have been there need to give us an update.

[Gene2]

I don't think hate is the right word.

I have expressed my opinion on what Gene2 said was a gold standard for our community. Basic negotiation skills will have many mongers thinking they can do better than 180 for a basic rundown and hand job.
I'm Happy you guys found your happy play place.
I was kinda wondering where all those guys are now. Curiosity is killing everyone who doesn't go there. The frequent flyers aren't telling their stories lately and we have heard rumors. Let's get the frequent flyers to clear the air. What say you Gene2?

Good afternoon professor. I'm usually summoned by other posters here who, unlike you, don't themselves ever post reviews or warnings. But they love drama and love to question all of those of us who do actually contribute to the forum, including you and me. So it's good to be summoned by someone willing to share with the community here.

Perhaps my work schedule this summer has been a good thing. I've been working out of state for up to three weeks at a time. So I haven't been around since the proverbial $hit hit the fan. Couple that with my branching out for a couple visits to your favorite haunt, Serenity, as well as visiting the massage UTR, I haven't been to BodyworkByUs in some time. I do see that this allegedly started with a careless monger getting discovered by his wife. And that perhaps led to a police drive by and pull over of an unfortunate dude. Hopefully dude was cool and didn't get too flustered (if it actually happened). That probably ended the factual aspect of this saga. From there it's grown into full blown urban legend. Now a dude claims he was followed while making four right turns and he saw someone writing something down on a notepad. What? Is this the 1970's? Is this Colombo? Who writes things down while driving? Dude doesn't even know which day he saw the provider. Or week. Sounds like he just wanted to be in on the story. Sort of like everyone who claims they saw a UFO in their trailer park wanting to get interviewed on TV.

So. When I return to Michigan will I go back to Bbu? Yes I will. Will I park in their lot? No. I will park further away, just like I did when I visited Serenity. Will I smile into the camera? Yes just like I did when I visited Serenity and found Hayley's camera inside her lobby. Will I stop in at a neighboring business after my appointment? Yes I will. Just like I stopped in at Sherwin Williams when I visited Serenity. Will I bring in Jameson and ginger ale if I see Saje (or vodka for Brit or fruity wine for Cecilia)? Yes I will. Just like I brought black cherry seltzer for Milan when I visited Serenity.

Will I pay $180 for a "basic rubdown and HJ"? No because the service at Bbu is a lot better and specialized than that, as is frequently reported by those who actually have experienced a session there. Will I be careful? Absolutely yes.

While I don't always share your viewpoint, I do respect it. And I think this saga illustrates the need for all here to share data. But accurate data. Perhaps others can weigh in as well. We need more posting and reviews.

G2.

[Benz1]

Highly unlikely the cops are going to launch an "investigation" into guys getting handjobs for cash. BBU has no element of human trafficking. It's all rumor and hearsay.

Unless I missed something, the only "evidence" we have of an "investigation" is Benz's vague statement without any corroborating evidence or facts. Benz is a well known BBU hater.

I don't think hate is the right word.

I have expressed my opinion about mongers saying BBU is the gold standard for our community. Basic negotiation skills will have many mongers thinking they can do better than 180 for a basic rundown and hand job.
I'm Happy you guys found your happy play place.
I was kinda wondering where all those guys are now. Curiosity is killing some of us. The frequent flyers aren't telling their stories lately and we have heard rumors. Let's get the frequent flyers to clear the air. What say you Gene2?

[Monger01]

Highly unlikely the cops are going to launch an "investigation" into guys getting handjobs for cash. BBU has no element of human trafficking or exploiting minors that normally drives these stings.

Has anyone who has actually gotten pulled over posted about it? No. Has anyone with personal knowledge about BbU's supposed "database" posted about it? No. It's all rumor and hearsay.

Unless I missed something, the only "evidence" we have of an "investigation" is Benz's vague statement without any corroborating evidence or facts. Benz is a well known BBU hater.

We all greatly fear being arrested and having our dirty secret exposed to the public, wrecking our lives. That anxiety is causing over reaction. Just my two cents.

Whether there's an investigation or not if there's cameras and info. Being captured your risk is there. If that's acceptable to you that's your business. Its not acceptable to me. We all take some risk in this hobby but the wise have limits to what amount of risk they will take for a release. I wish you all luck. I know I'm not going anywhere I know my plate will be recorded and other info recorded. Why would I? BBU doesn't have a monopoly and female bodies and HJs.

[Gene2]

With all the back and forth concerns about monger privacy and provider security I've been of the mind that cameras are everywhere. And they are. I'm not so certain that my privacy is compromised by cameras outside the buildings that are in place in most business today. They are also in place at many residences. And they certainly are at All hotels.

So while I respect viewpoints of concern about cameras, I have to ask: how do you expect to avoid cameras today? I do not think it is possible. But I also believe cameras are not as threatening as some would have us believe.

And I think it's good to note that Bbu is certainly not alone in its use of an outside camera. In fact, some of you might be surprised to know that Serenity has a camera INSIDE its lobby. I saw it when I was there to see Milan. It's mounted on the ceiling in the northwest corner of the lobby. I did not see any other cameras inside the parlor. I share this, not to alarm anyone about Serenity, but rather to make the case that concerns for cameras should not be centered on only one massage parlor. They are likely at all of them. There have been suggestions offered here over the years about ways to protect one's privacy that are always good strategies. I know in other cities with more aggressive LE efforts, some posters have recommended parking two or three blocks away and around the corner to avoid peering eyes from across the street. Others have suggested to wear a hat and coat when leaving the parlor and walk into a nearby business. Stay there for a few minutes and when you leave, take off the coat and hat and carry them to your car parked further away.

Likely these suggestions are overkill and come from watching too many Law and Order episodes. But if they make someone feel more comfortable to imbibe in a delightful massage episode, then they are of use.

Just my opinion.

G2.

[Sparty On 1234]

When I am in a pinch and need a good rubdown & some Oriental pampering and teasing, I visit HH in Wyoming. I have enjoyed Mona (including covered BJ & FS! But recently drew a new (to me anyway) mature Oriental gal (40's). She gave a similar rubdown and paid attention to my tight neck & shoulders and lower back, but on the flip she went right to work & the next thing I new she was delivering an amazing BBBJ! And, she swallowed the whole load! I was surprised & impressed! I plan to go again soon and hope to ask for her. I've never had a bad experience there. Not everyone's cup of tea (no pun intended), but it's my default when I want immediate quality service with fun ladies that spoil the dickens out of you (I mean, help put your underwear & shoes on!) Door fee ($45) plus $ tip. My experience has been the higher the tip, the more service you receive. But reasonable.

Did you get a name for the new 40's yo oriental masseuse who gave you the BBBJ and CIM? Love that option and enjoy a nice experience with a hot 40 yo Asian babe. Please provide some additional details. OK to PM me. Thanks.

[DjBiker]

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[ClassyGentGr]

When I am in a pinch and need a good rubdown & some Oriental pampering and teasing, I visit HH in Wyoming. I have enjoyed Mona (including covered BJ & FS! But recently drew a new (to me anyway) mature Oriental gal (40's). She gave a similar rubdown and paid attention to my tight neck & shoulders and lower back, but on the flip she went right to work & the next thing I new she was delivering an amazing BBBJ! And, she swallowed the whole load! I was surprised & impressed! I plan to go again soon and hope to ask for her. I've never had a bad experience there. Not everyone's cup of tea (no pun intended), but it's my default when I want immediate quality service with fun ladies that spoil the dickens out of you (I mean, help put your underwear & shoes on!) Door fee ($45) plus $ tip. My experience has been the higher the tip, the more service you receive. But reasonable.

[HangLow3]

Hey bros.

Maybe why'all can help yall favorite provider now. School done started and maybe yall fave can use some extra cash. Specially if she nervous about cops and videos. Maybe this time to send a bejamin.

[HangLow3]

Hey bro BJay.

Can yall give more then 2 cents? How about you go there and park right in front of door. Park so camera can record your license plate. Then walk in with cash in yall hand. Leave after hour visit with untuck shirt. Have radio playing loud in car. Maybe squeal tires when ya leave parking lot. Do all that an see if this just a big nothing. Hanglow have great respect for yall if ya do that. Hanglow maybe even come, bail yall out of jail. Is hanglow jail bound? Hell no. I am the walrus.

Highly unlikely the cops are going to launch an "investigation" into guys getting handjobs for cash. BBU has no element of human trafficking or exploiting minors that normally drives these stings.

Has anyone who has actually gotten pulled over posted about it? No. Has anyone with personal knowledge about BbU's supposed "database" posted about it? No. It's all rumor and hearsay.

Unless I missed something, the only "evidence" we have of an "investigation" is Benz's vague statement without any corroborating evidence or facts. Benz is a well known BBU hater.

We all greatly fear being arrested and having our dirty secret exposed to the public, wrecking our lives. That anxiety is causing over reaction. Just my two cents.

[Ribeye7]

Went to Asian ivy after my provider overslept. I'd go back for the massage alone. It was Thai. Hard and therapeutic.

OK the masseuse was nat in her 20's. She knew her business. Her shorts and top were so tight that there was no chance for UTC roaming.

She was a little fast after the flip but took direction and slowed down. I only did a half hour 45 . Service was decent but not exceptional. 60 tip.

I'll go back for a longer session. Pretty much like most of the AMPs I have been to, clean sheets and new girls often.

[MidwestHobby]

These women are smart. I have a hard time believing their database contains anything more than names, contact info, and dates of services, none of which are damning evidence. If they included proclivities and specifics as to specific services rendered, that would be incriminating evidence against themselves, and I don't think they're that stupid.

Seems to me that the more information they save, the more they have to offer to the police in exchange for a deal.

[LongAwaited493]

Highly unlikely the cops are going to launch an "investigation" into guys getting handjobs for cash. BBU has no element of human trafficking or exploiting minors that normally drives these stings.

Has anyone who has actually gotten pulled over posted about it? No. Has anyone with personal knowledge about BbU's supposed "database" posted about it? No. It's all rumor and hearsay.

Unless I missed something, the only "evidence" we have of an "investigation" is Benz's vague statement without any corroborating evidence or facts. Benz is a well known BBU hater.

We all greatly fear being arrested and having our dirty secret exposed to the public, wrecking our lives. That anxiety is causing over reaction. Just my two cents.

Dude this kind of attitude is what lands you in jail. You can do all the speculating that you want nobody knows exactly what's going on right now. But if these ladies are being charged or any chance of it believe me they're going to spill any information they have to try to lighten their sentence. I can't believe how much some of you guys want to protect these women who don't give a crap about you, you're just a way to make money. We should all learn something from this, protect yourself and your family is number one. I've always felt if someone wants a deposit or my detailed information and doesn't provide theirs I don't waste my time. I don't care how good looking there. I don't think with my little head.

[Tommey]

Highly unlikely the cops are going to launch an "investigation" into guys getting handjobs for cash. BBU has no element of human trafficking or exploiting minors that normally drives these stings.

Has anyone who has actually gotten pulled over posted about it? No. Has anyone with personal knowledge about BbU's supposed "database" posted about it? No. It's all rumor and hearsay.

Unless I missed something, the only "evidence" we have of an "investigation" is Benz's vague statement without any corroborating evidence or facts. Benz is a well known BBU hater.

We all greatly fear being arrested and having our dirty secret exposed to the public, wrecking our lives. That anxiety is causing over reaction. Just my two cents.

100%.

Thanks for speaking truth.

[Broadway Jay]

Highly unlikely the cops are going to launch an "investigation" into guys getting handjobs for cash. BBU has no element of human trafficking or exploiting minors that normally drives these stings.

Has anyone who has actually gotten pulled over posted about it? No. Has anyone with personal knowledge about BbU's supposed "database" posted about it? No. It's all rumor and hearsay.

Unless I missed something, the only "evidence" we have of an "investigation" is Benz's vague statement without any corroborating evidence or facts. Benz is a well known BBU hater.

We all greatly fear being arrested and having our dirty secret exposed to the public, wrecking our lives. That anxiety is causing over reaction. Just my two cents.

If the rumors of an investigation are true, and the rumors of a database that includes names, pictures and proclivities are true that website won't be up much longer. If those rumors are not true then it will continue as business as usual. But either way it should be a wake up call to those that defend the cameras and database as good business and marketing. I'm sure more than a few guys are worrying today about whether or not the rumors are true and waiting for the proverbial shoe to drop if they are. And I suspect if there is a database there will be more than one divorce coming in Grand Rapids once the phone calls and requests for interviews with the investigators take place. I'm hoping the rumors are just that, viscous rumors but until more information does or doesn't come out I recommend extreme caution when dealing with the 2 business' mentioned!