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**OliverNP** · 08-14-22 12:57

Originally Posted by Mcsylv [View Original Post]

I get what you're saying, but what I'm saying is that your tactic of compromise most likely did not alter the outcome. She was probably going to fuck you even if you just straight up said "no, fuck me or I'm not giving you allowance. " The reason I say this is because we've all tried forms of compromise methods with girls and the compromises usually didn't work for me. Sure, you may have found the 1% situation where you met a legit girl that had real concerns, and your compromise saved the situation and got you some intense pussy, it's just very rare.

I agree that in these situations, there's nothing to lose by at least trying to compromise, and I still do it when given the option. For example, I always try to get girls to verify by sending a selfie doing a specific pose, but if they refuse then I suggest alternatives like video chat. I just notice that the first refusal of something reasonable is very often a sign that it's a scammer and they won't comply no matter what compromises I suggest. Same thing for sending cash before meeting, I've noticed legit girls almost never ask for it before seeing me in person, and the ones that ask for it almost never turn out to be legit even if I ask for a compromise.

The difference between what I do and what you're suggesting is that I haven't noticed my compromises changing my outcomes much, while you're saying it made a world of difference. Perhaps we just have had very different personal experiences.

I am not saying that compromise is always the right answer. I was conveying the story to show how fronting money without getting something in return is a really bad idea.

As I mentioned in my first post on the subject, this particular case of her demanding money up front, and literally showing all signs of being willing to terminate the date if I did not, was the first and only time that it has gotten to that level in my many years of doing this. She waited until I was undressing her while kissing to pull the allowance-up-front-demand, and did it in such an adamant way that my instincts told me she was willing to bolt if she didn't get it. I'm not the type to give in to demands so I needed an alternate solution, and luckily it worked. So, because I was the only one who was there, I am probably far more qualified to say what was likely to have happened if I didn't come up with the phone in the safe idea.

Even still, none of that is relevant. A fellow SD got scammed and I wanted to convey a way of avoiding that particular scam. It's not relevant whether the method would have gotten him laid or not. She might have said fuck off I'm not giving you my phone and left anyway. But he would have not lost his $350. So, in that way creative negotiation would have unconditionally changed his outcome.

**Mcsylv** · 08-14-22 11:50

Originally Posted by OliverNP [View Original Post]

I believe you missed the point of my conveying that experience.

You're correct that this particular girl wasn't a scammer, but she demanded the money up front. I started out explaining my policy of never fronting cash, but I could tell she was shutting down, and the date was headed toward becoming a total loss. I suggested putting her phone in the safe as a negotiated compromise: she got what she needed, cash in hand. Meanwhile I got what I wanted, an assurance she wasn't going to use her phone as an excuse to duck out and bolt with the cash I just gave her. Hopefully you can see how creative negotiation had EVERYTHING to do with that incident.

Stickdeath described a situation that would have been avoided if he had done same. Granted, if she truly went there with no attention of having sex, she might never have agreed to put her phone in the safe. But at least he would not have lost his money.

Some of these girls that end up scamming their SDs have been scammed by guys before that didn't pay. Some of them go into the date with the intention of carrying through, but if they see an opportunity to get more for less will seize the opportunity. If you leave the cage open on a birds door it shouldn't be a surprise if it flies. Remove the opportunity for scams and some of those scammers will turn out to be good or even great fucks.

I get what you're saying, but what I'm saying is that your tactic of compromise most likely did not alter the outcome. She was probably going to fuck you even if you just straight up said "no, fuck me or I'm not giving you allowance. " The reason I say this is because we've all tried forms of compromise methods with girls and the compromises usually didn't work for me. Sure, you may have found the 1% situation where you met a legit girl that had real concerns, and your compromise saved the situation and got you some intense pussy, it's just very rare.

I agree that in these situations, there's nothing to lose by at least trying to compromise, and I still do it when given the option. For example, I always try to get girls to verify by sending a selfie doing a specific pose, but if they refuse then I suggest alternatives like video chat. I just notice that the first refusal of something reasonable is very often a sign that it's a scammer and they won't comply no matter what compromises I suggest. Same thing for sending cash before meeting, I've noticed legit girls almost never ask for it before seeing me in person, and the ones that ask for it almost never turn out to be legit even if I ask for a compromise.

The difference between what I do and what you're suggesting is that I haven't noticed my compromises changing my outcomes much, while you're saying it made a world of difference. Perhaps we just have had very different personal experiences.

**OliverNP** · 08-14-22 11:32

Originally Posted by Mcsylv [View Original Post]

Glad you had such a great experience, but the point of us talking about not giving the money first is that these girls aren't actually wanting to jump our bones, they were angling scam us and leave. That girl you gave as an example was going to fuck you regardless of whether you locked her phone up. If she was a scammer she just would have made some excuse to not do it and would have left. Finding creative ways to negotiate has nothing to do with your result. Locking her phone in the safe didn't turn her from a scammer into a sex nympho who wants your dick LOL.

I believe you missed the point of my conveying that experience.

You're correct that this particular girl wasn't a scammer, but she demanded the money up front. I started out explaining my policy of never fronting cash, but I could tell she was shutting down, and the date was headed toward becoming a total loss. I suggested putting her phone in the safe as a negotiated compromise: she got what she needed, cash in hand. Meanwhile I got what I wanted, an assurance she wasn't going to use her phone as an excuse to duck out and bolt with the cash I just gave her. Hopefully you can see how creative negotiation had EVERYTHING to do with that incident.

Stickdeath described a situation that would have been avoided if he had done same. Granted, if she truly went there with no intention of fucking, she might never have agreed to put her phone in the safe. But at least he would not have lost his money.

Some of these girls that end up scamming their SDs have been scammed by guys before that didn't pay. Some of them go into the date with the intention of carrying through, but if they see an opportunity to get more for less will seize the opportunity. If you leave the door open on a birds cage it shouldn't be a surprise if it flies. Remove the opportunity for scams and some of those scammers will turn out to be good or even great fucks.

As far as her being a sex nympho... that's just who she was. But my impression was that she wasn't fucking anyone until she was sure she wasn't going to get short-changed. So yes, I probably could have given her the money and still had the same experience. But if she had been a scammer, she would not have gotten away with my money once the phone was in the safe.

**Mcsylv** · 08-14-22 10:10

Originally Posted by OliverNP [View Original Post]

I had one ask for money upfront a few years ago after meeting for eat and drinks, up to the hotel and on the bed kissing. It was completely unexpected because in our chats we had this kind of vibe going where I was sure she was going to be a winner. That was one of the only times that's ever happened to me (not including times they suggested that in the pre-meet conversations) in what is now an estimated 700+ encounters.

I was already like $100 into it at that point (food and drink) so I said "if you don't mind to put your phone in the hotel safe as collateral, I'll give you your allowance now. If there's ever some problem hotel staff can always open the safe".

Looking back, the "deal" should have made no sense from her standpoint. Phones are their window to the world. She asked if I know the combination and I said of course I'm the one who set it. For whatever reason the whole thing put her at ease -- phone goes in the safe, I hand her the cash, the moment she puts the cash away she lights up and is all over me. I was on vacation from work and had nothing to do so we spent several days in that hotel room together, I fucked her at least 5 times a day for 3 days (thanks blue pill), total cash given around $900 for a very hot mid-20's baby. She got increasingly clingy and after she went back home and I went to mine she asked me flat out for a sugar-free real relationship in follow up texts.

Granted, that last bit is not quite as perfect as it sounds -- the conversations that led up to her offer to be my girlfriend sugar-free was partially a side effect of the fact that I was starting to communicate that we probably wouldn't see each other again (due to her immature and emotionally unstable behavior during the time I extended the room stay).

But the point is sometimes if you find creative ways around the money up front thing, you can still get the value you're after. These girls are not good negotiators.

Glad you had such a great experience, but the point of us talking about not giving the money first is that these girls aren't actually wanting to jump our bones, they were angling scam us and leave. That girl you gave as an example was going to fuck you regardless of whether you locked her phone up. If she was a scammer she just would have made some excuse to not do it and would have left. Finding creative ways to negotiate has nothing to do with your result. Locking her phone in the safe didn't turn her from a scammer into a sex nympho who wants your dick LOL.

**JackInGsid** · 08-14-22 00:36

What was the damage? .

Originally Posted by StickDeath [View Original Post]

I met her earlier in the evening in Dc close to Dupont Circle. Plan was to stay overnight but was done with her after 2 rounds. All holes available although she said she does not do anal. The moment my thumb slipped in her third eye magically all holes became available. Fair warning. She looks pretty in profile pic but has ghetto vibe with vape in hand. She wanted me take her out for drinks. I obliged and when to the bar the waitress asked for her license which expired December 2021. No valid license no drinks. I should have bailed but it was just dirty fun. Make sure you make her shower up and she is ready to take a good pounding.

https://members.seeking.com/member/d...8-bcb5ec6cc4b9

**OliverNP** · 08-13-22 20:41

Originally Posted by StickDeath [View Original Post]

Calls herself Alyssa. Meet in College park. Wanted me to get PROSCIUTTO wine. Fine by me. After drinking half bottle. She is being flirty and friendly. This is where I acted against my own rules (I am cursing myself for doing this) - she wanted the money upfront $350. I said I never give money upfront. SHe said don't you trust me. I gave in and gave the money. After that she said her Dad was calling and she needs to call him and stepped out of the room. She was gone. Disabled her TextNow account. Her profile is still active on seeking. Lesson learnt never give money upfront which I never did until now.

https://members.seeking.com/member/4...f-658414c81e53

I had one ask for money upfront a few years ago after meeting for eat and drinks, up to the hotel and on the bed kissing. It was completely unexpected because in our chats we had this kind of vibe going where I was sure she was going to be a winner. That was one of the only times that's ever happened to me (not including times they suggested that in the pre-meet conversations) in what is now an estimated 700+ encounters.

I was already like $100 into it at that point (food and drink) so I said "if you don't mind to put your phone in the hotel safe as collateral, I'll give you your allowance now. If there's ever some problem hotel staff can always open the safe".

Looking back, the "deal" should have made no sense from her standpoint. Phones are their window to the world. She asked if I know the combination and I said of course I'm the one who set it. For whatever reason the whole thing put her at ease -- phone goes in the safe, I hand her the cash, the moment she puts the cash away she lights up and is all over me. I was on vacation from work and had nothing to do so we spent several days in that hotel room together, I fucked her at least 5 times a day for 3 days (thanks blue pill), total cash given around $900 for a very hot mid-20's baby. She got increasingly clingy and after she went back home and I went to mine she asked me flat out for a sugar-free real relationship in follow up texts.

Granted, that last bit is not quite as perfect as it sounds -- the conversations that led up to her offer to be my girlfriend sugar-free was partially a side effect of the fact that I was starting to communicate that we probably wouldn't see each other again (due to her immature and emotionally unstable behavior during the time I extended the room stay).

But the point is sometimes if you find creative ways around the money up front thing, you can still get the value you're after. These girls are not good negotiators.

**StickDeath** · 08-13-22 19:55

Calls herself Alyssa. Meet in College park. Wanted me to get PROSCIUTTO wine. Fine by me. After drinking half bottle. She is being flirty and friendly. This is where I acted against my own rules (I am cursing myself for doing this) - she wanted the money upfront $350. I said I never give money upfront. SHe said don't you trust me. I gave in and gave the money. After that she said her Dad was calling and she needs to call him and stepped out of the room. She was gone. Disabled her TextNow account. Her profile is still active on seeking. Lesson learnt never give money upfront which I never did until now.

https://members.seeking.com/member/4...f-658414c81e53

**StickDeath** · 08-12-22 18:05

Here is her reply to intial contact " to meet up if the allowance is satisfying. I prefer 1200-2000 for each time meet". Wished her well.

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...f-159a3b88cefd

**Mandane** · 08-12-22 11:38

Originally Posted by StickDeath [View Original Post]

She is asking for $200 M&G with no intimacy. 2nd date at $400 gets her FC. Did anyone try this one.

https://members.seeking.com/member/2...d-03b2c98eb92d

She's very hit or miss as many 19 year olds are. Will make plans for tomorrow and then go silent day off. Lives in Woodbridge, no transportation, has a full time job now, but gets motivated when rent is do. Heavy for an Asian girl. More hassle than its worth likely. Didn't carry through on plans a couple times so I moved on.

**Itfcd** · 08-12-22 11:38

https://members.seeking.com/member/4...b-0c3644a9b95d

https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/...8315f536d45982

Got this one's number pretty quick off SB and talked to her very briefly. Seems like she's really only interested in online and probably wasting your time. The second I told her I thought online was pointless and that I was only into in-person meets, she quit responding.

There seem to be quite a few profiles lately (new ones, anyway) on both sites where they use the tagline "I can keep a secret". This isn't a default message; the default is just blank. I'm thinking they could either be fake or maybe a few friends who think they can get away with doing as little as possible for a little money on the side. There was supposed to be a group of girls in Richmond who tried that all the time, so I'd be wary with this one and anyone else using that tagline. I have her number, so if you talk to her or someone else with the "I can keep a secret" line in the profile, DM me the last 4 digits you got.

**RegularJoe1985** · 08-12-22 09:29

Originally Posted by WorkYard [View Original Post]

Wants 75 o for meet-and-greet.

"So for my first meet I'm used to 750. I expect the arrangement talk to be discussed, and I expect to get a good idea of what you are looking for in an arrangement. ".

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...9-f63ccd0b8a00

This one. From her site, her expectations of SD / SB relationship.

* I want to be a homeonwer, of a Single family home, Possibly 5 bedrooms.

* I would like to have a newer car, Realisticly standard sedan, Luxury model not necessary, Simply reliable vehicle.

* I want a credit score of 750-800.

* Would love to go on 1 vacation a year.

* I do not want to struggle as much as I have.

* I want what most people have, but take for granted.

Go figure the dreams of some of these SBs.

**StickDeath** · 08-12-22 00:42

I met her earlier in the evening in Dc close to Dupont Circle. Plan was to stay overnight but was done with her after 2 rounds. All holes available although she said she does not do anal. The moment my thumb slipped in her third eye magically all holes became available. Fair warning. She looks pretty in profile pic but has ghetto vibe with vape in hand. She wanted me take her out for drinks. I obliged and when to the bar the waitress asked for her license which expired December 2021. No valid license no drinks. I should have bailed but it was just dirty fun. Make sure you make her shower up and she is ready to take a good pounding.

https://members.seeking.com/member/d...8-bcb5ec6cc4b9

**Member #7024** · 08-11-22 18:44

Wants 75 o for meet-and-greet.

"So for my first meet I'm used to 750. I expect the arrangement talk to be discussed, and I expect to get a good idea of what you are looking for in an arrangement. ".

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...9-f63ccd0b8a00

**CuriousMiguel** · 08-11-22 12:29

Anyone met before?

https://members.seeking.com/member/7...d-b212ad206cbb

**Pathfinder04** · 08-11-22 11:31

A number of girls on Seeking claim to be into women. I'm just wondering if anyone has experienced this with a significant other or FWB? We met a girl off seeking once and it was a pretty good experience but she's no longer on the site. Any girls to recommend?