Massage Parlor Reports

[Gene2]

What is the suggested tip amounts for Serenity and Royal? What is on the menu? I don't want to overpay on underpay. I don't like to discuss price openly.

Hey JD.

You've asked the question that's led me to my conclusions about the superiority of up front cost places like BodyworkByUs and Hunters Den. While my opinions aren't universally shared here, I do believe the majority are in agreement. I respect the viewpoint of opposing thoughts and a give a hat tip to their superior negotiating skills. My guess is that ones who promote the open ended price shops have their negotiated prices and product nailed down before they ever text or walk in. However, that's not the approach less savvy clients possess, which is at least 90% of mongers. Years worth of careful negotiating and artful deal making has led these men to get "deals" you and I could never achieve.

There also is an unspoken allegation that those of us who promote a parlor or provider get discounted services or freebies. While I do suppose that may exist, it doesn't for me. For one, I've never wanted to become a paid endorser. Second, I hold the women who provide these services in high regard (perhaps higher than I should). I mean what they do for us, what sights they behold (a man's hairy ass, etc), the smells, the sounds, the cheap cologne, the sweat, the stale cigarettes odor, bad breath, the secretions. It's all too graphic. How could I ask them to forgo even a portion of their fee because I wrote a few words on their behalf? If some men here do that, more power to them. I just can't justify doing that.

So, many here have an AMP approach to cost, tips, and services. Most AMPs operate with middle aged matrons who speak very little English, provide a generally good massage with a happy ending. This baseline service has a typical tip that is slightly lower than the door fee for the half hour or hour. So a $50 half hour may include a $40 tip for a happy ending. Such things as under the clothing roaming, prostate massage, topless roaming, BJs, etc will move the tip to $50-$100. Full service is more rare at AMPs here, but might move the tip to $100-$200 depending on age, attractiveness, and even English comprehension of the provider. Places in Orlando FL routinely provide 20 and 30 year old cute Asian girls who provide phenomenal FS with extras we never see here all for $200 total cost for a 45 minute adventure. But I digress.

Here we tend to appreciate the massage girls that get naked, allow roaming, and provide a HJ or Russian finish. We also appreciate it when they don't negotiate but let us tip what we want. And most of us tip any where from matching the door fee to 150% of the door fee. So a $50 half hour massage has a $50 to $75 upcharge. A $80 hour massage has a $80 to $120 upcharge. And if the place allows DATY or BJs or FS the cost incrementally rises.

The problem is that so many of the parlors employee providers who know that if they tease sufficiently, and get the guy worked up they can tell him what the tip will be. And they will ask a lot based upon their cuteness, and your hardness. Recent reports showed one mildly attractive provider wanted $50 for a hand job, an additional $50 if she got topless, an additional $50 if she got nude, and an additional $50 if she gave a body slide. So the dudes hour massage ended up costing $280 for what BodyworkByUs does for $180. And dude had to get off the table and get the cash.

So now you see the draw for the up front pricing. Artful negotiators here are willing to leave without an orgasm or do it themselves to get the provider to accept what they offer. Of course, the obvious flaw here is that an annoyed provider lessens the experience quality for the paying customer. So if you're looking for cost containment, up front pricing gives that to you. If you want the slightly expanded menu you MIGHT find at open end price places, using Bbu prices as a model might help you to negotiate a better price. And in the interest of full disclosure, many BodyworkByUs clients leave a small tip ($20 to $30) in addition to the $120 for half hour, $150 for 45 minutes, $180 for hour (but many clients leave $0 tip). So that can help you to compare apples with apples.

I hope this discussion of consumer economics didn't bore you to sleep. Oh well, not all my posts can be about the divinity of the touch of Lauren's bare breasts on my body!

Enjoy.

G2.

[RGonzo]

Not worth the time to set it up. Tried for a last minute appointment after work one night, a quick bums rush with no satisfaction. She was more interested in paying her pimp or pusher who you had to walk past.

https://grand-rapids.skipthegames.co...e/974039053790

Any info on this one.

[JD0953]

Glad it worked for you. Good convenient location. While you didn't need walk in, that could have been available had you needed it. And you got in with a simple referral, no worries about any alleged database. And. Up front pricing. That's a game changer. And such a benefit to us as clients. I'm sure we've all been places where the price is discussed when you're naked and aroused and you agree to a series of escalating fees for levels of nudity and pleasure. You agree to pay because your negotiating position is compromised. But then when you drive away, you're telling yourself "I paid too much. I'm not going to repeat that experience. " I think Benz was the first to point that out to me. But I've still made the mistake more often than not. And that's why the upfront pricing is such a very important aspect to the overall fun.

Just my opinion. Well, mine and ZZtop.

G2.

What is the suggested tip amounts for Serenity and Royal? What is on the menu? I don't want to overpay on underpay. I don't like to discuss price openly.

[Gene2]

Have seen Hunter twice since her migration to the domesticated realm of Brits place. I never saw her when she roamed the wilds of the rural locales. Probably better I didn't, as I can only imagine the sweet flavors of the entire palate that exists now in the rear view mirror for some of you lucky dogs.

But enough of my erstwhile wonderings of what might have been.

I arrived for the first visit with Hunter and was introduced to a mild mannered shapely woman in a clinical uniform, looking like a professional hair stylist or the like. Once she started with the massage, it was clear this was a woman with a purpose. And her purpose was to tease and build anticipation. Once the flip occurred and she joined me on the table, I was regretting my earlier decision to book a 45 minute stay. I should have done the 60! Oh well, live and learn!

One of the few advantages of being well beyond my youthful prime, is that my time in a state of arousal can exceed what it used to. Without climax coming quickly. While this can have a down side when being attended by a fully clothed AMP matron, this possible dilemma is non existent with Hunter. I was glad I was older, the continued focus on pleasure kept going and going. When my time came, it was symphonic!

What a tigress she is. Definitely will repeat and I promise to not allow myself to contemplate what might have been had I visited her before she was domesticated.

Enjoy.

So. Wonder no more. Experience for yourself. Starting Thursday.

https://grand-rapids.skipthegames.co...r/825647795429

Once again. My timing stinks. I'll be out of state for work. Pity me.

G2.

[Sparty On 1234]

Long time BBU fan. Have seen many of the beautiful women at BBU. All are great, sexy and provide a consistent result. New place in Wyoming is safe, clean and parking is easy. Saw Reyna last week. Amazing visit. She is very friendly and easy to talk too. Got comfortable immediately. Good massage with just the right amount of pressure. Nice teasing. On the flip she got me to the edge several times, which I loved and then a great finish. Fantastic natural rack and allows much roaming. Most sexy and sensual provider I have seen at BBU to date. I would check her out if you like a nice slender, curvy, sensual woman. I will repeat. $$ + I gave her a tip for such a great job!

https://grand-rapids.skipthegames.co...1/165819126802

[Gene2]

So. I was feeling the need for some time and company with a beautiful young woman. Couldn't connect with my usual delight. So I decided to try a weekend visit to BodyworkByUs. Hadn't seen Saje there yet, but had read a few sparsely worded reviews about her on this board. All of the minimalist reviews had been positive with no negative comments or reviews. I then reached out to a few of you men of legend here. Once again, all of you brilliant minded partakers urged me to schedule a visit with the fair maiden, Saje. 45 minute appointment scheduled, quick response via text. I asked if she would like me to bring anything. She responded positively so I picked up a 750 bottle of top shelf along with some mix and ice.

Ventured on over and parked securely. Texted I was there and headed for the door. Was greeted by a vision of youthful beauty and grace. She stands almost 5'8" and looked a vision in her cute black uniform. Introductions were made and I used the rest room to wash my hands. I had just showered before heading to Bbu. She stayed in the room while I undressed and made us some great mixed drinks. Then she got completely comfortable right away and began a very nice back massage allowing respectful mutual touch. The flip was great and quite arousing. Typically a younger provider isn't as skilled in the art of edging. Well, Saje does have youth, but she knows what she's doing. And that body is fantastic. Perfect spinner type, both slender and tall. The skin is supple and the curves sublime, with an incredible feminine physique. I tried nor to stare. And her conversation skills are very comfortable and engaging.

All In all, I'm surprised it's taken me so long to discover this gem. Part of the reason she's been so "under the radar" is she hasn't been featured on a STG ad. All of the other ladies at Bbu have a feature ad. But now I see that has been rectified. So I anticipate that her schedule will soon be filling. Currently she shows available Tuesday to Friday stating at 2:00 pm until early evening. Perfect timing for just about everyone. Unfortunately I will be out of state for work.

I forgot to include the link to her STG featured post. Once again, accurate photos, but the fail to capture the striking beauty of this all star.

https://grand-rapids.skipthegames.co...u/532112769365

The online scheduler for Bbu shows she's available Tuesday 2-6, Wednesday Noon-4:00, Thursday 2-6, Friday Noon-3:30, and Sunday 2-8. So plenty of options at this point. She's a breath of fresh youthful air in this hobby with a great personality to enjoy while you gaze upon the impeccable body and soul searching eyes. You will be smitten. And you will want to return.

The look reminds me of a young Nicole Kidman.

Enjoy.

G2.

[Bacardi1314]

It's Panacea dude. No FS / No Oral is the rule there.

Nope, it's definitely money driven. I used to frequently do BBFS at Panacea. Just no one knew about it except myself and my provider (no I won't tell you) who I paid very well.

[ZzTopSterZz]

Glad it worked for you. Good convenient location. While you didn't need walk in, that could have been available had you needed it. And you got in with a simple referral, no worries about any alleged database. And. Up front pricing. That's a game changer. And such a benefit to us as clients. I'm sure we've all been places where the price is discussed when you're naked and aroused and you agree to a series of escalating fees for levels of nudity and pleasure. You agree to pay because your negotiating position is compromised. But then when you drive away, you're telling yourself "I paid too much. I'm not going to repeat that experience. " I think Benz was the first to point that out to me. But I've still made the mistake more often than not. And that's why the upfront pricing is such a very important aspect to the overall fun.

Just my opinion. Well, mine and ZZtop.

G2.

Agree 100%. I'm a big fan of flat rate because it's a natural quality screener on both sides. If a shop like BBU can charge 180/ hr and stay in business with satisfied customers then that says a lot about the shop. And if guys walk in knowing that's the rate then the ladies don't have to worry about getting shorted on tips by some slob who wants to grope and run. It just takes a mutual understanding of what that rate covers, which is easily established in one meeting and / or communication among mongers. If two people then choose to work out any additional arrangements that's up to them without affecting everyone else. It can be a bit like dating. One side offers a little extra money or service with no questions asked, and if the other side reciprocates then that becomes mutually beneficial. If the offer is not balanced then things simply go back to the base rate and expectations and everyone's happy. I know some guys enjoy haggling and working with a more flexible (if unpredictable) menu. Nothing against that. It's just not for me.

[Gene2]

So. I was feeling the need for some time and company with a beautiful young woman. Couldn't connect with my usual delight. So I decided to try a weekend visit to BodyworkByUs. Hadn't seen Saje there yet, but had read a few sparsely worded reviews about her on this board. All of the minimalist reviews had been positive with no negative comments or reviews. I then reached out to a few of you men of legend here. Once again, all of you brilliant minded partakers urged me to schedule a visit with the fair maiden, Saje. 45 minute appointment scheduled, quick response via text. I asked if she would like me to bring anything. She responded positively so I picked up a 750 bottle of top shelf along with some mix and ice.

Ventured on over and parked securely. Texted I was there and headed for the door. Was greeted by a vision of youthful beauty and grace. She stands almost 5'8" and looked a vision in her cute black uniform. Introductions were made and I used the rest room to wash my hands. I had just showered before heading to Bbu. She stayed in the room while I undressed and made us some great mixed drinks. Then she got completely comfortable right away and began a very nice back massage allowing respectful mutual touch. The flip was great and quite arousing. Typically a younger provider isn't as skilled in the art of edging. Well, Saje have the youth, but she knows what she's doing. And that body is fantastic. Perfect spinner type, both slender and tall. The skin is supple and the curves sublime, with an incredible feminine physique. I tried nor to stare. And her conversation skills are very comfortable and engaging.

All In all, I'm surprised it's taken me so long to discover this gem. Part of the reason she's been so "under the radar" is she hasn't been featured on a STG ad. All of the other ladies at Bbu have a feature ad. But now I see that has been rectified. So I anticipate that her schedule will soon be filling. Currently she shows available Tuesday to Friday stating at 2:00 pm until early evening. Perfect timing for just about everyone. Unfortunately I will be out of state for work.

Enjoy. I'm.

[Gene2]

Thanks to the good men of GR who have shared their views for the benefit of this Chicago guy who was looking for info. On a visit to GR a couple years back I had a nice session at Serenity with a lead from Benz. This week I took Gene2's reco to try BBU and it was great. I'm not a full service monger and found just what I wanted. Nice massage, good conversation and some fun. Was able to meet both Raven and Brit while in town. I will be back.

Glad it worked for you. Good convenient location. While you didn't need walk in, that could have been available had you needed it. And you got in with a simple referral, no worries about any alleged database. And. Up front pricing. That's a game changer. And such a benefit to us as clients. I'm sure we've all been places where the price is discussed when you're naked and aroused and you agree to a series of escalating fees for levels of nudity and pleasure. You agree to pay because your negotiating position is compromised. But then when you drive away, you're telling yourself "I paid too much. I'm not going to repeat that experience. " I think Benz was the first to point that out to me. But I've still made the mistake more often than not. And that's why the upfront pricing is such a very important aspect to the overall fun.

Just my opinion. Well, mine and ZZtop.

G2.

[Tommey]

This spring I reconnected with Chrissy (long-haired caucasion beauty, formerly at BBU when it was downtown), who has her own place on near NW side now. Good neighborhood, discreet (I parked on the street), nice clean set up. Very private. Price is higher $$ for an hour but Chrissy is a peach of a gal and her skills are good. Very sensuous from the start (allowed mutual touching). She has wonderful assets and is a good conversationalist (no extras were offered or partaken). I will repeat as needed. She has been posting on STG but I looked through 15 pages of ads just now and didn't find it.

P.S. I found the ad in a private message! https://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/jessi/913821750752

For those who are curious, the classy gent is talking about Jessi. And since his link failed to work as a hot link, I will retry:

https://grand-rapids.skipthegames.co...i/913821750752

[Gene2]

Gene, I had to log in after reading this just to tell you that I appreciate your terminology here. "Nicotina, Emmy Phezema, or Auntie Phlegm", can't make this stuff up. I appreciate you brother. True classics haha.

I'm glad some of you dudes appreciate the effort placed into posts and reviews. It's an enjoyable aspect of a post if I can entertain from time to time, as well as inform, or perhaps even irritate. Who knows, maybe DJBiker and I could even start a podcast on the merits of Costco wine and liquor.

G2.

[ClassyGentGr]

This spring I reconnected with Chrissy (long-haired caucasion beauty, formerly at BBU when it was downtown), who has her own place on near NW side now. Good neighborhood, discreet (I parked on the street), nice clean set up. Very private. Price is higher $$ for an hour but Chrissy is a peach of a gal and her skills are good. Very sensuous from the start (allowed mutual touching). She has wonderful assets and is a good conversationalist (no extras were offered or partaken). I will repeat as needed. She has been posting on STG but I looked through 15 pages of ads just now and didn't find it.

P.S. I found the ad in a private message! https://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/jessi/913821750752

[Macatawa]

There is a TLC Spa on Forest Hill Ave. Anyone been there? I am guessing totally legit since it has no mentions that I can find here. And if so, do they give good massages even if no extras?

[AustinRamos1]

I think advance notice will get you multiple pops with just about every provider or parlor we've discussed here. The key is saying so at time of appointment set. That way she knows when you come first time, she's only half done. And I would assume you're young enough to pop twice (or more) within the time frame scheduled. I would also think a small tip over the agreed upon price helps convey thanks for the extra effort expended. As far as finding Nicotina or Emmy Phezema, or Auntie Phlegm, that is beyond my area of expertise. I'd guess more than half of the girls smoke, but most try to disguise the odor. So you might ask if they wouldn't mind smoking with you before session begins. Hope that helps.

G2.

Gene, I had to log in after reading this just to tell you that I appreciate your terminology here. "Nicotina, Emmy Phezema, or Auntie Phlegm", can't make this stuff up. I appreciate you brother. True classics haha.