Non Pro's

**Marko Ramius** · 06-11-22 12:23

Originally Posted by Michael1967 [View Original Post]

...
Me: Just use the money he gave you and put $230K down.
SB: I can't. I spent it all.
Me: (Dumbfounded look).
SB: Well, it's really expensive to live in Seattle.
...

The sad part is that this kind of crap is so common. And one more reason you can't really trust any of them.

**Marko Ramius** · 06-11-22 12:19

Originally Posted by Paradigum [View Original Post]

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I didn't even say no to her at dinner but she refused to continue the evening or find something that 'worked'. LOL. I dropped 300 on dinner and drinks only to have the restaurant comp several other patrons their meals as glass flew into their food. ...

Night wise I really can't complain. But she really didn't need to throw glass shards and impact everyones evening. Can be arrested for that shit.

There seem to be a lot more crazy people out there these days, not just on the arrangement sites. I think some of these girls have been shut indoors in March of 2020 and no longer remember how to behave in public.

Oh, on that Reddit post I found, when I re-read it I was actually shocked that she expected several separate things:

1. A generous allowance.

2. Living expenses, including rent, car, groceries, incidentals, paid vacations without you, &c.

3. Assets like real estate and securities.

4. Career help.

And she expects that assistance to increase over time. Talk about obnoxious entitlement. If you want to build a life for yourself go out and get a job and fucking earn it, don't expect somebody to just give it to you. No imaginable vagina is worth that much.

**VanDawg** · 06-11-22 10:42

Originally Posted by Fudgsicle [View Original Post]

https://members.seeking.com/member/e...2-ef1455d930a8

She's pretty far north for most of you fellows but is dope. Messaged me last night, several days after I reached out. She was lonely and looking for company. She is thicker than her pictures but only slightly maybe 20-30 lbs heavier kind of like a small pawg. She said Birth control messed her up. Got a hotel room for roughly 2 hrs hours and filled her up repeatedly and had to grab her plan B. Since everyone is touchy over $ offered pm to find out.

There's a college in Bellingham and not much to do. Lots of girls there living away from home, small town, bored and broke. Good little area for new SBs.

**Paradigum** · 06-11-22 08:04

Originally Posted by Tippover11 [View Original Post]

Any info on these? I'm out of town for work and they all seem ready to go for ppm.

https://members.seeking.com/member/6...b-b41a42157777

Says just come over. We'll get acquainted and head to the bedroom. Just give me a gift when you leave.

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...b-32b041b661a6

Very private and discrete. Says contact when I'm ready to come over.

https://members.seeking.com/member/0...f-71816b300477

Seems very friendly. Says to come to her place and spend the night and take her to breakfast.

Info on a couple.

Velababyy reached out to me first. WARNING! Never replied and not my type.

Illestbaby wants a 300 m&g for her safety. Easy no.

FlirtyBelle wants to meet for lunch / brunch. Dinner is too scary / dangerous to meet someone new. "If you ever decide that lunch at noon in fife is an ok way to meet first I'd love to chat " Is what I was told. I work during the day. I dunno about you peeps but I work during the day. She said dinner and afterwards is possible after the first meet but not on my radar. Just what I experienced.

Seems like we are all chatting to the same profiles here. :

**Paradigum** · 06-11-22 07:51

Originally Posted by WalkingSpanish [View Original Post]

I got to know, what happened?

I met her and had a perfectly pleasantly time.

What were he demands for a Dinner? Did you chat about it before? I don't do paid meet and greets. She asked for a level of compensation that made me think it was more than a hour dinner. And I make it very clear I don't do that.

I didn't even say no to her at dinner but she refused to continue the evening or find something that 'worked'. LOL. I dropped 300 on dinner and drinks only to have the restaurant comp several other patrons their meals as glass flew into their food. I actually had one of the best nights of my life that night as I went to a bar near by afterwards and. I don't know if it was service night or what but. Shot after pity shot. Rounds of everything. Man. Ended up going back to the hotel with a cute chick from the bar.

It was an amusing story to tell of a absolutely crazy chick. To hear myself being talked about before I even introduced myself to the people at the bar. Was just. Amusing. "He seemed so nice and apologetic! Tipped like crazy!" "I wonder what happened? LOL.

Night wise I really can't complain. But she really didn't need to throw glass shards and impact everyones evening. Can be arrested for that shit.

**Paradigum** · 06-11-22 07:36

Originally Posted by Travelerr [View Original Post]

She's still pushing the $300 m&g with me, and I'd like to add I'm younger and better looking than a lot of you chumps (just messing) how did your interactions go with her, because I'd love to get to your offer: b.

For me I'm not attractive enough to even meet for dinner. She states it must be a lunch / brunch during the day. LOL. Dinner is too scary and she cares for her safety. Even in very public places.

**Paradigum** · 06-11-22 07:23

I have found my new favorite line! "I spend more on the site than a lot of woman expect for sex. From that you can expect that I expect more than sex!" This line has revolutionized my approach to any picture sellers / online only / etc out there. LOL. They all fall soooooo silent instantaneous and tell me to have a great day. Haha.

**Travelerr** · 06-11-22 02:31

Originally Posted by MaCross19 [View Original Post]

Took a bit of a break because I was involved with someone but recently got back on and I have been a busy bee. If anyone needs additional information feel free to ask but here are the good, the bad, and the scammers:

Good:

https://members.seeking.com/member/2...2-671153815ffb

Angelqt777- pros: hottie and can take a great load. Cons: 400 ppm, space cadet on time management, and wasn't willing to host. Might repeat.

https://members.seeking.com/member/3...7-4005c1c55dae

Dee pros: absolute nympho and can take multiple loads and can host. Cons: pretty pro vibe and 500 ppm.

Bad:

https://members.seeking.com/member/3...b-24394e43db82

LunvrEclipce- just looking for a trip club customers at $100 for a dinner date. I think she is real but didn't want to deal with the time and money it would take to find out.

https://members.seeking.com/member/7...a-b6fe8bca560c

FoxyGurl- won't do bare and asking for $500 so pass.

Scam:

No details beyond they are a scam and you shouldn't waste your time.

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...a-8ffb596d4a9e

AstuteBae.

Thanks very much 🙏.

I have a vague recollection of seeing Dee on tryst, but I could be mistaken.

**MaCross19** · 06-11-22 02:03

Took a bit of a break because I was involved with someone but recently got back on and I have been a busy bee. If anyone needs additional information feel free to ask but here are the good, the bad, and the scammers:

Good:

https://members.seeking.com/member/2...2-671153815ffb

Angelqt777- pros: hottie and can take a great load. Cons: 400 ppm, space cadet on time management, and wasn't willing to host. Might repeat.

https://members.seeking.com/member/3...7-4005c1c55dae

Dee pros: absolute nympho and can take multiple loads and can host. Cons: pretty pro vibe and 500 ppm.

Bad:

https://members.seeking.com/member/3...b-24394e43db82

LunvrEclipce- just looking for a trip club customers at $100 for a dinner date. I think she is real but didn't want to deal with the time and money it would take to find out.

https://members.seeking.com/member/7...a-b6fe8bca560c

FoxyGurl- won't do bare and asking for $500 so pass.

Scam:

No details beyond they are a scam and you shouldn't waste your time.

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...a-8ffb596d4a9e

AstuteBae.

**TegMan01** · 06-11-22 00:45

Most of these girls complaining in the Reddit forums are confused. They don't know the difference between a boy friend and a sugar daddy.

**DelToro** · 06-11-22 00:23

AlluringSocialite.

https://members.seeking.com/member/e...2bb-751ea70f8c to68.

Requires a cashapp deposit.

**Michael1967** · 06-10-22 21:27

Originally Posted by MarkoRamius [View Original Post]

Under a thread titled "Expectations. Do Not Allow the Cheap Johns Masquerading as "SDs" to Exploit You":

Again, with expectations like that the number of appropriate marks are extremely small. So she will have a lot of competition. Not everyone can be a movie star.

Something everyone misses and apparently doesn't give a fuck about is the tax implications of that kind of shit. You can't move that quantity of money around without a lot of people noticing. And you can be sure that eventually the IRS (or your local equivalent) will notice someday. With gift taxes and penalties that $10 k / month nut to your girl might end up costing you $15 k or 20 k. So unless you have a family office and can put the girl on the payroll as a PA or some such you can't really play in her league, or at least the league she thinks she is playing in.

Link for the above thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/SugarBABYonlyforum/comments/otzidi/expectationsdo_not_allow_the_cheap_johns/

I actually go through this with my SB clients. They are receiving gifts. Gifts are not taxable. For the SD, in 2022 the lifetime gift exclusion is 12.06 million. This means you can give away 12.06 million in gifts during your lifetime and not pay gift tax. Once you bypass the annual exclusion ($16 K for 2022). Then you simply have to report the excess to the IRS and deduct it from the 12.06 million that you are allowed to give in your lifetime.

I do want to say this, I have one SB client whose SD gives her $100K year. A couple of years ago, she told him that she wanted to buy a house, so he gave her $250K for a down payment on a house (in addition to her regular $100K). Here is how our conversation went:

Me: So he gave you $250K for a down payment on a house.
SB: Yes, so, I need to show that I have a regular income outside of what I'm getting from him to get a loan.
Me: Well, you already have a business, we could possibly inflate your profit so that you show enough income to qualify, but you'll have to pay extra tax on that income. It will be about $20K in additional taxes. Can you do that?
SB: No.
Me: Just use the money he gave you and put $230K down.
SB: I can't. I spent it all.
Me: (Dumbfounded look).
SB: Well, it's really expensive to live in Seattle.

Note: I would never inflate income on a tax return so a person could qualify for a home. I just know others that would do it.

**RogerOver** · 06-10-22 20:36

Originally Posted by DrtyHarry [View Original Post]

First. This is an excellent find. I was 100% certain there were blogs / sites women were using to share information. This definitely seems like one of them. After reading / scanning through it though, it completely validated my thoughts on the topic of SA and how most of these women are approaching it. They treat us like walking ATMS, that are generous, mature (ignore all the stupid shit they do) but that is a wrong strategy and may work for a few SBs, but not as a general rule. Good read.

Originally Posted by MarkoRamius [View Original Post]

Under a thread titled "Expectations. Do Not Allow the Cheap Johns Masquerading as "SDs" to Exploit You":

Again, with expectations like that the number of appropriate marks are extremely small. So she will have a lot of competition. Not everyone can be a movie star.

Something everyone misses and apparently doesn't give a fuck about is the tax implications of that kind of shit. You can't move that quantity of money around without a lot of people noticing. And you can be sure that eventually the IRS (or your local equivalent) will notice someday. With gift taxes and penalties that $10 k / month nut to your girl might end up costing you $15 k or 20 k. So unless you have a family office and can put the girl on the payroll as a PA or some such you can't really play in her league, or at least the league she thinks she is playing in.

Link for the above thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/SugarBABYonlyforum/comments/otzidi/expectationsdo_not_allow_the_cheap_johns/

While I'm not really interested or sympathetic to the plight of the sugarbaby, I can sort of see the point. The guys are just as bad at ripping the girls off as vice-versa. Meaning the sugardaddies aren't really, and the sugarbabies aren't either. If you work a PPM, then it's a straight hooker arrangement.

**BugManLet** · 06-10-22 18:42

In the last day we've gone from "you need to be able to drop $100 k without blinking" to be successful to "I'm just in it for the free pics", LOL!

The wonderful thing about playing in the bowl is there is fun to be had and pleasure found at many price points. The whole "you need to be x rich to be a sugar daddy" is the kind of gate keeping the sugar babies on Reddit do. I mean, it's going to be a struggle if you're straight broke but if you can scrape a few hundred a month you can play part time. Me, I keep track and spent about $17 K last year on sugar dating expenses. Worked out to be an intimate date every other week. That's PPM, hotels, meals, gifts, membership fees, etc. Most of those dates were with very attractive women 15-20 years younger than me. I had a lucky run. Anyway, it wasn't exactly cheap but you don't need to be Bezos or even a low level executive to make some good memories.

**BoboThe55** · 06-10-22 13:13

Originally Posted by MarkoRamius [View Original Post]

Under a thread titled "Expectations. Do Not Allow the Cheap Johns Masquerading as "SDs" to Exploit You":

Again, with expectations like that the number of appropriate marks are extremely small. So she will have a lot of competition. Not everyone can be a movie star.

Something everyone misses and apparently doesn't give a fuck about is the tax implications of that kind of shit. You can't move that quantity of money around without a lot of people noticing. And you can be sure that eventually the IRS (or your local equivalent) will notice someday. With gift taxes and penalties that $10 k / month nut to your girl might end up costing you $15 k or 20 k. So unless you have a family office and can put the girl on the payroll as a PA or some such you can't really play in her league, or at least the league she thinks she is playing in.

I did have a membership but it became a hassle, so I get messages all the time, but I never respond. I get access to pics. Since most women have low self esteem I bet I have ruined a few. Some try messaging over and over. Its kind of nice having the upper hand for once LOL.