Agency Discussion

[EasiePeasie]

Yep, in my experience BIE will accept referrals from legitimate, reviewed, independent providers or other agencies, and don't require those references to be with your legal name, but can be under a pseudonym. In my experience, it's not difficult to find independent providers who will book you through the TER messaging system if you have some reviews on TER -- meaning you can use a pseudonym and with a burner phone number / email (so you need to obtain a burner phone or maybe use one of the burner phone apps, and obviously use a separate email account that you can use to establish yourself with them). Once you have a few indie references built up, it's easy to get cleared by most agencies other than BTT. I've been cleared by several agencies this way.

Again, protecting your identity will require a bit of groundwork -- you might need to spend a few weeks first posting reviews of recent providers you have seen onto TER (e. G. The BTT providers you have seen, why not? Then booking with an indie or two before going to an agency like BIE using those indies as your references. Others may have other suggestions, but this is what worked with me.

I was verified by BIE the same way: pseudonym with referrals by two indies. But after verification I was worried because after booking an appointment they sent a message that at my first visit the provider would check the name on my license. Luckily she did not, possibly because it was her first tour with BIE. KashkaiBoy, what was your experience regarding name check?

[Wockser]

Hey folks, I've been trying to get my hands on a WeChat verification for forever and finally got one. Can anyone toss me some tips on how to use it with Tokyo and Phoenix? Or do you guys just call? I kinda forgot why I wanted WeChat in the year plus I've been trying to get one if calling just works XD.

And if anyone has good WeChat contacts, I'd be highly appreciative.

[KashkaiBoy]

Thanks a lot!

Do you think I can get away with being verified by BIE without providing my work and I'd and all that and just have another agency vouch for me?

Yep, in my experience BIE will accept referrals from legitimate, reviewed, independent providers or other agencies, and don't require those references to be with your legal name, but can be under a pseudonym. In my experience, it's not difficult to find independent providers who will book you through the TER messaging system if you have some reviews on TER -- meaning you can use a pseudonym and with a burner phone number / email (so you need to obtain a burner phone or maybe use one of the burner phone apps, and obviously use a separate email account that you can use to establish yourself with them). Once you have a few indie references built up, it's easy to get cleared by most agencies other than BTT. I've been cleared by several agencies this way.

Again, protecting your identity will require a bit of groundwork -- you might need to spend a few weeks first posting reviews of recent providers you have seen onto TER (e. G. The BTT providers you have seen, why not? Then booking with an indie or two before going to an agency like BIE using those indies as your references. Others may have other suggestions, but this is what worked with me.

[Solandonward]

Re BAD, you'll find tons of info on the boards just by searching but I'll just point you to this article for the scary stuff:

https://www.newsweek.com/prostitutio...states-1045812

BTT is the second-gen inheritor of BAD (there was an intermediary outfit that was busted after being open for a few months, I forget their name). Essentially my guess is that the Korean kingpins who run the back end of the operation just keep setting up new front offices as the feds take those down. They set up new operations in a month or two after each bust, often using the same properties. I'm sure I'm not disclosing anything that LE doesn't already know.

As for advice, I just would be very careful. I don't think the Feds are too concerned about the clients all that much as they likely are trying to get to the higher levels of this Korean network which I presume spans many states and likely is international. I would not be surprised if they have a team of agents working on this full time. In that sense I'm sure they are monitoring communications, possibly casing the sites. It's clear they did that with BAD. But again I don't know what happens to the data they gather (such as text messages -- which they clearly had access to in the case of BAD) -- will that remain in a file somewhere for eternity? Could it be leaked, hacked, or just become public?

Maybe on more thing I can add to this: in many cases agencies show a strong commitment to client privacy as a form of good business practice. BAD seems not to have done a good job with this, and my sense is that the operation behind the K-brothels just isn't very concerned about their clients. In fact they seem to operate with the presumption that their front offices will be busted eventually, and their security is set up to protect the highers-up. So caveat emptor.

Thanks a lot!

Do you think I can get away with being verified by BIE without providing my work and I'd and all that and just have another agency vouch for me?

[KashkaiBoy]

Any advice for those of us already verified by BTT? And I'm not familiar with BAD if you can point me in the right direction.

Re BAD, you'll find tons of info on the boards just by searching but I'll just point you to this article for the scary stuff:

https://www.newsweek.com/prostitutio...states-1045812

BTT is the second-gen inheritor of BAD (there was an intermediary outfit that was busted after being open for a few months, I forget their name). Essentially my guess is that the Korean kingpins who run the back end of the operation just keep setting up new front offices as the feds take those down. They set up new operations in a month or two after each bust, often using the same properties. I'm sure I'm not disclosing anything that LE doesn't already know.

As for advice, I just would be very careful. I don't think the Feds are too concerned about the clients all that much as they likely are trying to get to the higher levels of this Korean network which I presume spans many states and likely is international. I would not be surprised if they have a team of agents working on this full time. In that sense I'm sure they are monitoring communications, possibly casing the sites. It's clear they did that with BAD. But again I don't know what happens to the data they gather (such as text messages -- which they clearly had access to in the case of BAD) -- will that remain in a file somewhere for eternity? Could it be leaked, hacked, or just become public?

Maybe on more thing I can add to this: in many cases agencies show a strong commitment to client privacy as a form of good business practice. BAD seems not to have done a good job with this, and my sense is that the operation behind the K-brothels just isn't very concerned about their clients. In fact they seem to operate with the presumption that their front offices will be busted eventually, and their security is set up to protect the highers-up. So caveat emptor.

[LocalMotion]

Curiosity, how did you get a BTT referral? Been looking to branch out but I really only know BTT and SA girls.

I just used BIE's online verification form and put the link to Suzy (girl I saw) and the phone number for BTT used to setup Appt etc.

[LocalMotion]

Saw Josephine. Nice, fit South American girl with a friendly personality & pretty good English. Pictures accurate. Not sure about MSOG but I sensed that she'd be open to it.

Josephine was actually my first choice, but she ended up being twice as far as Amanda from me so decided to just choose the one that was closer since they both look pretty hot from their pics.

[Wockser]

Well I had a negative exp with BTT so decided to try BIE before I left town.

Glad I did. Amanda is a Columbian. Beautiful face / lips, slim petite body and nice bolt ons. She only speaks a little English but with my little Spanish it worked out great.

Great DFK, BBBJ, and excellent attitude. We hit it off really well and with her hotness was able to pop 3 times with her. YMMV.

Glad I went thru with verifying with BIE last minute (using my BTT referral). Going home happy.

Curiosity, how did you get a BTT referral? Been looking to branch out but I really only know BTT and SA girls.

[PokeManga]

Saw Josephine. Nice, fit South American girl with a friendly personality & pretty good English. Pictures accurate. Not sure about MSOG but I sensed that she'd be open to it.

Thumbs up for Josephine as well. Great girl and very eager to please. I'll definitely repeat next time she's back in town.

[Solandonward]

I don't like sharing personal info. I'm still recovering from the shock I faced after sharing my true identity with BAD (some may recall them. Lots in the forums about their fate). When they were busted the Feds showed a stack of papers they said contained the real information of clients -- apparently they got sloppy and didn't shred their files as they were promising (or at least didn't do so with some of the applications).

After that, I made a plan that has worked: I had a TER account with a few reviews. I used TER and a pseudonym (and a burner phone) to set up appointments with a couple of local indie providers who were Ok with just using TER, and then after that asked those providers for refs that I used -- with my pseudonym and my TER handle -- to be cleared by two agencies. Now I use the agencies for refs for indies, and from what I can tell, they are good with responding and giving refs.

But that means I have not signed up for any of the agencies that require true personal info (e. G. BTT). I've reached out and asked them if they would accept my valid current refs but they say no. It's their loss, I guess.

FWIW, I'm pretty sure that behind BTT you'll find the same operation that was behind BAD -- the Feds likely only were able to charge the "operators. " We all know that these agencies are part of a transnational Korean crime organization. (I'm not saying they are enslaving women -- quite the opposite. I found the BAD women were all very forward about sharing details about their lives and how this work was voluntary and a foothold to a better life for them.) But I don't trust BTT any more than I should have trusted BAD with my personal info. As with all these operations they will likely be brought down by the Feds eventually (working with the Cambridge Police who are also pretty committed to tackling apartment brothels in their jurisdiction, unlike some other regional towns / cities). I don't need the anxiety that my phone number or employment details will be included in court documents somewhere.

The other option is P411, they also require personal info -- but are probably more reliable about deleting it (although as we all know, nothing is ever really deleted! Good luck!

Any advice for those of us already verified by BTT? And I'm not familiar with BAD if you can point me in the right direction.

[Tiptap]

Anyone see Josephine at BIE? I'll be visiting next week and she's on the schedule. Does their hour rate include MSOG?

Saw Josephine. Nice, fit South American girl with a friendly personality & pretty good English. Pictures accurate. Not sure about MSOG but I sensed that she'd be open to it.

[LocalMotion]

Well I had a negative exp with BTT so decided to try BIE before I left town.

Glad I did. Amanda is a Columbian. Beautiful face / lips, slim petite body and nice bolt ons. She only speaks a little English but with my little Spanish it worked out great.

Great DFK, BBBJ, and excellent attitude. We hit it off really well and with her hotness was able to pop 3 times with her. YMMV.

Glad I went thru with verifying with BIE last minute (using my BTT referral). Going home happy.

[EasiePeasie]

Do you mind sharing the links to her reviews or point me to where I can find them? Couldn't find them on TER at all. Thanks.

You sure did not try very hard! Simple search on Alexa and the BI phone # turns up 3 Waltham reviews at BI and 15 Tysons Corner profile reviews for both BI and PL.

[KashkaiBoy]

This was discussed on this thread some time ago -- BTT asks for a lot of personal info and some have not been comfortable with their approach. I was screened by BIE through another agency's verification, and with that agency I had a couple of indies who were not as stringent who saw me and were able to verify. All to say, if you don't want your personal information out there, you might need to put in some ground work to get indies who will be able to vouch for you. In my experience, many agencies (but not BTT) will use a personal reference from an indie who has a website and reviews on TER. With BTT it seems they insist on your providing true personal information -- so proceed with caution unless you don't really care if their phones / computers are being monitored by the Feds, as they very likely may be.

I don't like sharing personal info. I'm still recovering from the shock I faced after sharing my true identity with BAD (some may recall them. Lots in the forums about their fate). When they were busted the Feds showed a stack of papers they said contained the real information of clients -- apparently they got sloppy and didn't shred their files as they were promising (or at least didn't do so with some of the applications).

After that, I made a plan that has worked: I had a TER account with a few reviews. I used TER and a pseudonym (and a burner phone) to set up appointments with a couple of local indie providers who were Ok with just using TER, and then after that asked those providers for refs that I used -- with my pseudonym and my TER handle -- to be cleared by two agencies. Now I use the agencies for refs for indies, and from what I can tell, they are good with responding and giving refs.

But that means I have not signed up for any of the agencies that require true personal info (e. G. BTT). I've reached out and asked them if they would accept my valid current refs but they say no. It's their loss, I guess.

FWIW, I'm pretty sure that behind BTT you'll find the same operation that was behind BAD -- the Feds likely only were able to charge the "operators. " We all know that these agencies are part of a transnational Korean crime organization. (I'm not saying they are enslaving women -- quite the opposite. I found the BAD women were all very forward about sharing details about their lives and how this work was voluntary and a foothold to a better life for them.) But I don't trust BTT any more than I should have trusted BAD with my personal info. As with all these operations they will likely be brought down by the Feds eventually (working with the Cambridge Police who are also pretty committed to tackling apartment brothels in their jurisdiction, unlike some other regional towns / cities). I don't need the anxiety that my phone number or employment details will be included in court documents somewhere.

The other option is P411, they also require personal info -- but are probably more reliable about deleting it (although as we all know, nothing is ever really deleted! Good luck!

How does one get verified with BTT and BIE.

Do you have to share all the information they ask? It's pretty invasive.

Does BTT have a number or email?

Help please.

[Ypkan]

How does one get verified with BTT and BIE.

Do you have to share all the information they ask? It's pretty invasive.

Does BTT have a number or email?

Help please.