Stupid Shit In San Diego

[Ryan1979]

Poon tang is the definition of the pot calling the kettle black. As you've eluded to, other than agreeing or adding to others posts and relentlessly defending VIP, PTJ has contributed nothing. Let's not forgot his VIP remodel under construction and other false nonsense he's posted. E. g. This is my last post on stupid shit. LOL!

Some seem to forget that I've defended VIP on multiple occasions and I have nothing against these beautiful ladies or their spa. On the contrary, I support all working girls and spas, but also call out the BS. So what, they got busted like every FS spa on this forum has been busted at one time or another. The SV location was a shit pit of a spa and as far as I'm concerned it's a blessing in disguise as they've acquired several nicer spas. But it does go to show that location, amenities and an actual massage are of little importance to most mongers.

Support their new spas, all working girls and move on for crying out loud.

When you finally reach the age of 27 years old and can actually contribute something to this forum other than what happened in the ghetto of the homeless in Spring Valley please enlighten us and let us know. You have contributed nothing.

Cheers.

[The DudeInSd]

Think the best thing to do is give the girls a visit NLBC and give them a welcome back session! Think an ATF is with them as well.

The beauty of it is.

We get NLBC which is a great place. NLBC aka VIP#2 is so much safer, cleaner, and has much better security. Def a higher class version of the SV location.

It all worked out. Great girls and Mina and Lisa are coming back.

Cheers!

[Mr MuffMan]

Think the best thing to do is give the girls a visit NLBC and give them a welcome back session! Think an ATF is with them as well.

Thanks Dee and don't worry, I see these girls everyday, trust me you have no idea. LOL.

Mr MuffMan.

[DeeeezNutss]

Think the best thing to do is give the girls a visit NLBC and give them a welcome back session! Think an ATF is with them as well.

Let me also add that we're getting close to figuring out who's behind this. My friends and I aren't stupid, and we've complied some compelling evidence. I'm probably saying too much today, but The MuffMan is pissed off! OK, deep breaths.

Mr MuffMan.

[Mr MuffMan]

It is indeed a sad day when competition begins to use the social media tactics of mis-information and shilling, techniques more commonly used by politicians, to belittle, badger, harass, confuse and mis-lead. The information shared in these forums is public, not protected by passwords or elite membership. It appears to anyone. What's worse? People believe this s**t without doing some basic research and the shills and fake posters know this fact. It only takes one person to make multiple fake accounts to spread the same mis-information and harassment on this board. Mis-information, that if repeated enough times, appears to be the truth because it's been said so many times. When the people that are truly involved and know the inner circle truths speak up, they become ignored because they have not made the same statement more times than the hater. The demise of VIP is an example of how competition and hate can shut down a thriving, needed, innovative business.

Congrats to the hater with multiple accounts spreading false and mis-leading information on eliminating one competitor. This competitor has and will re-establish the business. You will not be aware of where, when or how. It will happen. Your efforts to shut down VIP and get business for yourself has been in vain. We know who you are, what you are doing. The mongers on this board take notes and are smart.

Well said Sir Bishop. That is certainly a big part of it. There's other things that went into this decision, that I will not speak about on an open forum, but you nailed this part of it. And yes, most of us who participate on this board see right through it. It's the casual reader, who may not even have an account, who probably fall for this..

Let me also add that we're getting close to figuring out who's behind this. My friends and I aren't stupid, and we've complied some compelling evidence. I'm probably saying too much today, but The MuffMan is pissed off! OK, deep breaths.

Mr MuffMan.

[Mr MuffMan]

It is indeed a sad day when competition begins to use the social media tactics of mis-information and shilling, techniques more commonly used by politicians, to belittle, badger, harass, confuse and mis-lead. The information shared in these forums is public, not protected by passwords or elite membership. It appears to anyone. What's worse? People believe this s**t without doing some basic research and the shills and fake posters know this fact. It only takes one person to make multiple fake accounts to spread the same mis-information and harassment on this board. Mis-information, that if repeated enough times, appears to be the truth because it's been said so many times. When the people that are truly involved and know the inner circle truths speak up, they become ignored because they have not made the same statement more times than the hater. The demise of VIP is an example of how competition and hate can shut down a thriving, needed, innovative business.

Congrats to the hater with multiple accounts spreading false and mis-leading information on eliminating one competitor. This competitor has and will re-establish the business. You will not be aware of where, when or how. It will happen. Your efforts to shut down VIP and get business for yourself has been in vain. We know who you are, what you are doing. The mongers on this board take notes and are smart.

Well said Sir Bishop. That is certainly a big part of it. There's other things that went into this decision, that I will not speak about on an open forum, but you nailed this part of it. And yes, most of us who participate on this board see right through it. It's the casual reader, who may not even have an account, who probably fall for this.

Mr MuffMan.

[Sir Bishop]

Well dude, your source for information is pretty good, however they got one pretty important detail wrong. It's VIP in Spring Valley that's for sale, not NLBC. After being closed for about 2 months, and contemplating what they wanted to do, they decided it's best to sell and move on. Sadly, after all the bullshit some of you guys put them through (you know who you are) it just isn't worth the trouble to continue to operate in San Diego. It's the mongers loss really. A few idiots ruined one of, if not THE best thing in town for the rest of us. Thanks a lot.
Mr MuffMan.

It is indeed a sad day when competition begins to use the social media tactics of mis-information and shilling, techniques more commonly used by politicians, to belittle, badger, harass, confuse and mis-lead. The information shared in these forums is public, not protected by passwords or elite membership. It appears to anyone. What's worse? People believe this s**t without doing some basic research and the shills and fake posters know this fact. It only takes one person to make multiple fake accounts to spread the same mis-information and harassment on this board. Mis-information, that if repeated enough times, appears to be the truth because it's been said so many times. When the people that are truly involved and know the inner circle truths speak up, they become ignored because they have not made the same statement more times than the hater. The demise of VIP is an example of how competition and hate can shut down a thriving, needed, innovative business.

Congrats to the hater with multiple accounts spreading false and mis-leading information on eliminating one competitor. This competitor has and will re-establish the business. You will not be aware of where, when or how. It will happen. Your efforts to shut down VIP and get business for yourself has been in vain. We know who you are, what you are doing. The mongers on this board take notes and are smart.

[The DudeInSd]

These are non-Cris reviews LMAO. Because I am her shill. Ummm whatever.

Keep in mind this is only going back to 2021, I have 90+ reviews on TER, 1 of which is Cris LOL.

1. Middle East Sally.

2. SDAG--the best Korean agency in town-Ash.

Kiko.

Arisa.

Sema.

Susette.

Cuban Ginger man her BBBJ is mind blwoing.

Binna.

Mannie.

10. FEC-Gia.

Seya.

Ace.

Sia.

14. Sandra 99 Nira and Emily.

16. Massage Parlor reviews-Amy Happy Foot.

Amy Leisure.

Apple Diamond in Hilcrest.

Japanese Mia in Hilcrest Mimi traveler.

Ava You spa in LG.

Serenity Viet girl don't remember name, 1 of few negative reviews I ever do.

Erma Yoyo.

Cici VIP in SV.

Golden A Summer.

Rainbow Lucy.

Smile spa Angela / Angel.

Fountain Lisa.

Unique on EBC Thai girl named May.

You spa Lulu in LG.

There's 29 reviews and add that to the 90+ on TER and you get a shit ton.

Shill? Ummmm yeah OK. 120 girls I shill.

When you finally reach the age of 27 years old and can actually contribute something to this forum other than what happened in the ghetto of the homeless in Spring Valley please enlighten us and let us know. You have contributed nothing.

Cheers.

[The DudeInSd]

So, when the le busts happens and local le and the feds come pay you a visit and take you away in metal cuffs or plastic ones and into the backseat of a car to the popo house.


Le Interviewer. We have all your texts exchanges between the house / apt in question and certain individuals.

Le Interviewer. We busted the operation and now want to go after all the customers!

We really appreciate you coming into the San Diego area from the city of lost assholes. You must really be bored to come up with brilliant ideas like this. As we all know and have been doing this for 15 years law enforcement's main objective is to follow text messages and to come to people's houses and arrest the John's. You are 100% right and super brilliant. You have 5,000 posts on this website and I think you've contributed about 2 reviews. Thank you so much for contributing and thank you so much for coming down to San Diego and getting evolved in our community.

Keep up the great work.

[PoonTangJohnny]

Been with SDAG and FEC over 15 years, and never receive a text initiated from booker nor the gal. A bit skeptical about this.

I'm with Dog Rice on this one. I've been in this game long enough to distinguish between reality and fantasy.

The only time I've ever received an unsolicited communications from an AA booked was when they threatened to blacklist me if I ever wrote another negative review. That was before I used my common sense and made sure my hobby handle was different from my hobby email.

Why do you always feel the need to brag or 1 up people all the time. Wine with Cris. Sushi with this person.
Yah yah my post count is less than 10.

So, when she asks you to borrow 5 k to pay for her shopping bills I bet you give it to her.
Or, soon as a negative comment comes over you're social butterfly skills kicks in and text her I bet?

You obviously don't give a crap about your personal life since you want to give a booker your true identity info. Such as personal work info, personal emails, cdl.
So, go ahead and ride that wave I've got noting to hide cause if that day comes I guarantee you wish I never was so lazy about using personal info to bookers.
And, if you think that bookers delete info you send them.

Me too, been doing this for about 8 years and I've only been texted twice by a booker, once was when I wrote a negative review on here right after I left, I guess I was the only person who'd seen the girl so it was easy to put 2 and 2 together and yeah pretty much same thing happened, booker threatened to blacklist me and share my info with other local bookers if I didn't delete the review. Second time was a few days after cris pulled a bait and switch on me. Never been there before so I didn't know whaf cris looked like, read one of dudeinsd's reviews and figured I'd try out said girl, ended up getting cris instead (verified by people on here after I posted about it). Either way cris texts me a week after and tells me she has new a girl.

If the Dude gets busted the whole agency goes down. It's impossible not to know who he is by now.
He really should stop hyping up bad girls at the agency, and he should stop trying to sell people on Cris's girls here.

Although I may be a newer member here on this platform, I have been very active partaking in this hobby off and on for a very long time and I have an extensive history of knowledge and personal experiences. My TER, Erotic Monkey, My RB, along with several other platforms (which I won't share here) validate this. I could post in practically every single sub-forum (with the exception of Streetwalkers and Gangbangs), regarding personal experiences with provider's who have been discussed here.

It's nice seeing, so many of you highly reputable, tenured member's (along with Moderator Dog Rice), call this "Shill" in question, out. I wouldn't be weighing in my $. 02 here, but for the simple fact that this shill in question, also cost me $200 and one of the worst experiences I've had in this hobby, with a girl he highly touted here, with you guessed it- Cris' agency. And yes, I'm still not happy about that!

Furthermore, if any of you were to actually spend the time, and research the "Modus operandi" of this member in question, along with Ryan, Sirjjzalot and that the Jaguar300 guy, it's crystal clear to see this 1 member and the same, agenda here on this forum, and the great lengths he will go to, to try to justify / validate, his continual, shilling; creating multiple accounts, and actually go the extreme length with his / hers attempts trying to be clever by mingling these member's support for 1 another.

If Moderator Dog Rice would like me to elaborate on this further (regarding a correlation between said member's mentioned above and a particular AMP under constant attack / sabotage), I'd more than happy to discuss this, privately.

I hope this anonymous shill here realizes (whomever he / she is), that 2 people can play dirty playing this game.

[Mr MuffMan]

It did not take a rocket scientist to see this coming from a mile away. I predicted it way back in the day when you have a location with homeless people sleeping on the sidewalk, drug dealers on the corner slinging crack, walls that do not go to the ceiling, No cameras, No locked door, every amateur mistake that you could possibly make.

The funny part is you had all of these cheerleaders screaming from the rooftops stating how beautiful this place was.

Dead and done.

I still feel bad for all of the customers that got bloodied and beat up and arrested because there were three separate times that the police came and ultimately they shut it down.

This is 100% incorrect. You guys are just making shit up at this point. You can read my post below, but there was not "three separate times that the police came". LE only made one visit to VIP and that was in December of last year. As I've already mentioned, I am very very close friends with one of the owners. I am friends with the other owners as well. So much so, that I've become a fixture at their owners meetings and get togethers. Just about everything I'm reading here is untrue. Nobody on this board has a fraction of the information I have about this. If it doesn't come from me, take it with a grain of salt, as it is more than likely untrue.

Mr MuffMan.

[The DudeInSd]

I have been watching crimemapping website. It is very informative. It confirms the five citations issued back on 12/15/2021 at VIP in Spring Valley. What is missing is any data on any subsequent citations or arrests at that location, which has led me to question was there a second "bust" as many have reported.

Because of the lack of a second incident I have felt that the heat may have gotten to be too much and they bailed to another jurisdiction.

It did not take a rocket scientist to see this coming from a mile away. I predicted it way back in the day when you have a location with homeless people sleeping on the sidewalk, drug dealers on the corner slinging crack, walls that do not go to the ceiling, No cameras, No locked door, every amateur mistake that you could possibly make.

The funny part is you had all of these cheerleaders screaming from the rooftops stating how beautiful this place was.

Dead and done.

I still feel bad for all of the customers that got bloodied and beat up and arrested because there were three separate times that the police came and ultimately they shut it down.

[MaximusKahn]

The Bob Craft situation was sparked because an inspector found signs that the women were living there and they suspected human trafficking. With that being LE's motivation they set up a sting where they went in under the guise as repair men and set up their own cameras.

In SD, there are really only a few things what would focus LE on Spa in general or a spa specifically.

One is they suspect Human Trafficking. This is a huge topic and LE is tasked to address this with full force.

Another is that they are just in the regular cycle of "cracking" down on prostitution in all forms, SWalkers, Spas, Independent providers, etc. There will be an increased effort, they'll make an impact, and then move onto the next hot topic that occupies their man power. This is why we hear of sting's and busts, and guys get burned and then it's over. Till the next cycle of course. And it would suck to be "caught" in this cycle. Thus this hobby has risks.

The other is excessive business that draws the attention of the community or local businesses who complain about the activities. LE is compelled to respond to "complaints" and tips coming in from the community of suspicions behavior. So if your Spa stands out way too much and people complain, it will be under the eye of LE. A lot of "traffic" can look suspicious if it is a line of all men.

When LE does raid or bust a Spa, they're showing the community they're taking action responding to complaints or tips of illegal actions. When they speak with the providers and learn they are not being trafficked and have their credential in order it may go no further.

As for providers who have their own cameras set up. I personally don't worry about it because that feed is internal, and even if LE raids the place and reviews the feeds, I don't care because I'm not there.

Ever think about a being in a Bob Craft situation, where the spa is recording the session? I'm not quite as famous as him-but.

Years ago I saw a girl Felicia in a downtown loft that had a smoke detector with a flashing red light on the ceiling very near the massage table. I couldn't help but wonder if there was a camera in it. Not that it stopped me from returning.

I often have that thought in the back of my mind at spas and private residences.

Someone wondered that after the a popular spa's license check, if the cops may have hidden cameras. Probably silly and it certainly didn't stop me from going. I'm sure they don't-and that the girls would know / find them if they did.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Speaking of that, there was some STD talk. I haven't often opted for BBBJ but I did splurge a couple of times recently. I decided to test before reading the scuttlebutt. I got the all clear, just in case anyone was worried about the girls having something. No doubt that they test frequently.

[DrPornDawger]

There are stories that are worth reading and some don't give much info (wam, bam, thank you ma'am).

These stories are for entertainment use only. LOL.

Intelligence, common sense, and a grain of salt is all you need to enjoy these forums.

For me, 20% of the posts in these forums are interesting and useful, but the other 80% of the time they are pure humor and entertainment.

We all should be able to post what we want to post, within the rules of course. If others like our posts, great, if not, so be it. They can go read something else.

We should be able to enjoy the posts we like, and avoid the posts we don't like. All we have to do is look closely and we can tell what the post is all about and decide if it is worth our time.

If the post is filled with over the top praise about a provider, consider the monger posting it.

Do they get defensive and protective?

Do they seem to have been everywhere, done everything, and know everyone?

Do they self-promote a lot as if they are some kind of Casanova or the Lord of the AMP / Provider universe?

Do they openly disparage or start negative rumors about another Spa or provider?

Or do the posts just tell you about their experiences? Long or short, good or bad?

Naturally we want to know where to go to spend our hard earned time and money, but knowing where not to go is important too. All posts are not going to be positive recommendations. I find hearing of a bad experience to be as valuable as hearing about a great time.

You have to admit, once you weed out the junk and the BS we do get a fair amount of good intel to work with. Even the shills might point you in a good direction now and then.

All we have to do is read carefully, employ intelligence, use some common sense, and add a grain of salt, and you'll probably get a good understanding of who is posting and why. Then like a buffet, take what you want, leave the rest behind.

[MaximusKahn]

Intelligence, common sense, and a grain of salt is all you need to enjoy these forums.

For me, 20% of the posts in these forums are interesting and useful, but the other 80% of the time they are pure humor and entertainment.

We all should be able to post what we want to post, within the rules of course. If others like our posts, great, if not, so be it. They can go read something else.

We should be able to enjoy the posts we like, and avoid the posts we don't like. All we have to do is look closely and we can tell what the post is all about and decide if it is worth our time.

If the post is filled with over the top praise about a provider, consider the monger posting it.

Do they get defensive and protective?

Do they seem to have been everywhere, done everything, and know everyone?

Do they self-promote a lot as if they are some kind of Casanova or the Lord of the AMP / Provider universe?

Do they openly disparage or start negative rumors about another Spa or provider?

Or do the posts just tell you about their experiences? Long or short, good or bad?

Naturally we want to know where to go to spend our hard earned time and money, but knowing where not to go is important too. All posts are not going to be positive recommendations. I find hearing of a bad experience to be as valuable as hearing about a great time.

You have to admit, once you weed out the junk and the BS we do get a fair amount of good intel to work with. Even the shills might point you in a good direction now and then.

All we have to do is read carefully, employ intelligence, use some common sense, and add a grain of salt, and you'll probably get a good understanding of who is posting and why. Then like a buffet, take what you want, leave the rest behind.