The Woodshed

**BigEnk61** · 04-25-22 16:32

To bad about Karmen and the latest bad reviews on JAX Escorts thread. Got her kicked off STG as a result. I think its unfair that these providers have no recourse to dispute claims made against them. I know that she has a past and that can't be be helped. I know personally and from other guys that she's a trusted go too for fun and for the most part consistent.

She made an account under sexyscare and respectfully tried to tell her side of the story, I know this because she sent me a screen shot of it before up loading it. It never was posted by the moderator, don't know why but probably because it was disputing claims made by the original monger who posted the bad review. She showed me screenshots of text messages from the that day and let me tell you things are not what they seem.

Anyone who is interested in knowing the other side of this story can PM me and I'd be glad to share what I know first hand.

The pic was from yesterday, she had a bad day after the bad review and being kicked off STG so I payed her a visit. She did not disappoint.

**JustinCider904** · 04-25-22 16:18

Originally Posted by LowBaller [View Original Post]

Karmen must be avoided always, seeing her you may be robbed, you may get beaten, you may get killed, you may get ghosted, or you may see her. There are a number of possibilities and all of them are real. She has poor skills. I know from experience, I reviewed Karen negatively last year, so she is not worth taking a chance on getting robbed over. Bottom line, Karmen should be totally avoided.

About B L's actions, I think he did everything correct, unless he wanted to pull something like I did, running buck naked to my car. He was confronted and pulled his gun to stop thing at least temporary, then he backed out, that is retreated, so that he could avoid worse consequences. Guys full of testosterone and law pundits may have done something more aggressive but I believe B L was very smart and did perfect. Yep, I wish he had shot all of the bums and then yelled Make My Day, but that was not realistic. Black Lighting really handled a bad situation wisely and also showed the risks we mongers are taking!

I am not with law enforcement, so I do not know the rules or law, but I disagree that if one pulls a gun then one should pull the trigger. There is the cliche of do not pull a gun unless you are willing to use it. Yes I agree, but the converse of that is not valid, meaning if you pull a gun you need to shoot the bum. Pull a gun and do what is needed in the situation would be my rule, and if one can avoid deadly force then seek that. But, I agree that is one is going to shoot an attacker then shoot to kill. I believe that statement is correct for two reasons. First, it keeps the bum from making a lie that you threatened him first, pulled a gun while he was just casually minding his own business. Second, he was attacking you so the best way to stop that is to put a bullet through his head. Wounded DBs can still kill you. As a side note, if a monger has to shoot a DB while visiting a provider, then assume if the DB lives, he will lie and say you started it all and tried to rape his gf. The provider will also lie, she will not be truthful and say she tried to set you up to get robbed! Would Karmen admit to a felony that resulted in her DB getting killed? Heck no, that would be admitting to felony murder and life without parole. So the provider will lie, and you need to tell the truth. You were there to see a provider, which is Not a felony and otherwise say only you were attacked and feared for your life, but you cannot say more without a lawyer you are too shaken up to say more and just repeat the same. Greg McMichael and Dunn both had big mouths talking to cops instead of shutting up and waiting until a lawyer was appointed. They thought they could talk their way out and all got life. Yep they were bad guys and you are a good guy, but do not say anything without a lawyer because the provider is guaranteed to lie. P.S. Your phone is proof you were invited into the room, you will need to give that to your lawyer. What a mess one gets from shooting to save one's own life! Black Lightening, you were so darn smart to back away and avoid such a mess!!

Re Karmen, mongers need to avoid her, she is not worth any of the possibilities.

I mostly agree with this position. BL absolutely did the right thing, by backing out without incident. It is generally in the best interest of the shooter to make sure the victim is dead if you have to shoot. This is what law enforcement is taught regardless of what they say publicly, it is also why they don't seek medical assistance in most matters. Dead men don't talk is the mantra they are told over and over. Leaving only the shooters story with no counter-argument. Personally I have mixed feelings on this that go way deeper than this post, but it has been an effective defense for murder for decades.

With that said. Unless you report the incident and invoke Marsy's law, carrying a firearm with intent to commit a crime (even if the firearm was never intended to be used for said crime) is a felony. Mongering is a crime, and carrying a firearm with intent to monger is a felony, and one that can not only land you in prison, but can prevent you from ever handling a firearm again. Like most laws, this tends to be enforced arbitrarily. Depending on who you know and what you look like heavily applies to whether they would consider even charging you. McMichael is a good example of that. It is true he talked to much and it was used against him, but lets be real. He was the bad guy not a victim of his lack of silence. He was someone who acted how he has likely acted most of his life as a law enforcement officer, just he didn't have the immunity protection his badge supplied him with. He did however know people who tried their hardest to protect him, but there were limits of the protection a civilian can receive.

**LovesAFreak** · 04-24-22 17:18

Originally Posted by BlackLightning [View Original Post]

I had a dream I met Karmen this morning morning. Long story short, I get to the hotel. When I stepped in the room, I noticed her acting weird. Three guys come out of her bathroom with knives to try and robbed me. I'm licensed to carry, so I had other plans. I pull out my piece and slowly backed out the door. Karmen will get you caught up, be safe fellas. https://jacksonville.skipthegames.co...a/020229639684.

Glad you made it out with incident. I recently started carrying myself and pray I'm never put into a situation like this. This is a dangerous hobby we all know things can turn at any given time. Cannot trust these women or db's thinking they will let you go after the robbery. Stay safe gents.

**MekaleKahi** · 04-24-22 15:15

Originally Posted by LowBaller [View Original Post]

About B L's actions, I think he did everything correct

The only thing I would have done differently is said "god damn I didn't know four bitches were sucking my cock today" and dropped my fucken pants for them.

**Low Baller** · 04-24-22 11:18

Originally Posted by BobbSledd [View Original Post]

Maybe a discussion best had in the Woodshed, but a quick thought. Pulling a CC and not pulling the trigger is seen by many prosecutors as having NOT been a life-or-death situation. If you pull it, shoot! And shoot to kill, leaving only one side of the story to be told. If you're not ready for that you probably shouldn't be carrying. Safe Mongering!! (Not aimed at you DevilsAdvoc8, just posted on your comment.)

Karmen must be avoided always, seeing her you may be robbed, you may get beaten, you may get killed, you may get ghosted, or you may see her. There are a number of possibilities and all of them are real. She has poor skills. I know from experience, I reviewed Karen negatively last year, so she is not worth taking a chance on getting robbed over. Bottom line, Karmen should be totally avoided.

About B L's actions, I think he did everything correct, unless he wanted to pull something like I did, running buck naked to my car. He was confronted and pulled his gun to stop thing at least temporary, then he backed out, that is retreated, so that he could avoid worse consequences. Guys full of testosterone and law pundits may have done something more aggressive but I believe B L was very smart and did perfect. Yep, I wish he had shot all of the bums and then yelled Make My Day, but that was not realistic. Black Lighting really handled a bad situation wisely and also showed the risks we mongers are taking!

I am not with law enforcement, so I do not know the rules or law, but I disagree that if one pulls a gun then one should pull the trigger. There is the cliche of do not pull a gun unless you are willing to use it. Yes I agree, but the converse of that is not valid, meaning if you pull a gun you need to shoot the bum. Pull a gun and do what is needed in the situation would be my rule, and if one can avoid deadly force then seek that. But, I agree that is one is going to shoot an attacker then shoot to kill. I believe that statement is correct for two reasons. First, it keeps the bum from making a lie that you threatened him first, pulled a gun while he was just casually minding his own business. Second, he was attacking you so the best way to stop that is to put a bullet through his head. Wounded DBs can still kill you. As a side note, if a monger has to shoot a DB while visiting a provider, then assume if the DB lives, he will lie and say you started it all and tried to rape his gf. The provider will also lie, she will not be truthful and say she tried to set you up to get robbed! Would Karmen admit to a felony that resulted in her DB getting killed? Heck no, that would be admitting to felony murder and life without parole. So the provider will lie, and you need to tell the truth. You were there to see a provider, which is Not a felony and otherwise say only you were attacked and feared for your life, but you cannot say more without a lawyer you are too shaken up to say more and just repeat the same. Greg McMichael and Dunn both had big mouths talking to cops instead of shutting up and waiting until a lawyer was appointed. They thought they could talk their way out and all got life. Yep they were bad guys and you are a good guy, but do not say anything without a lawyer because the provider is guaranteed to lie. P.S. Your phone is proof you were invited into the room, you will need to give that to your lawyer. What a mess one gets from shooting to save one's own life! Black Lightening, you were so darn smart to back away and avoid such a mess!!

Re Karmen, mongers need to avoid her, she is not worth any of the possibilities.

**BudWhite** · 04-24-22 09:24

Originally Posted by BobbSledd [View Original Post]

Maybe a discussion best had in the Woodshed, but a quick thought. Pulling a CC and not pulling the trigger is seen by many prosecutors as having NOT been a life-or-death situation. If you pull it, shoot! And shoot to kill, leaving only one side of the story to be told. If you're not ready for that you probably shouldn't be carrying. Safe Mongering!! (Not aimed at you DevilsAdvoc8, just posted on your comment.)

This is 100% correct.

A CC permit is a license to carry concealed. Not a license to flash your brand new toy. Knives while considered deadly weapons are also something you can walk away from unless you're cornered with no other means of escape.

This also isn't an armed robbery. He was in their room. They'll claim self defense. He's lucky they didn't shoot him for waiving a firearm around like a toy.

**Bobb Sledd** · 04-24-22 06:03

Originally Posted by DevilsAdvoc8 [View Original Post]

I'm also CCW. I remember this from my course. At that point he was in an armed robbery situation where using your weapon is now legal. I also don't know why anyone is discouraging self-defense in this scenario. Yes, the law is never 100% but neither is trusting DBs not to kill you after you hand over the money anyway. Obviously, don't pull the trigger unless you have to, but not sure why leaving yourself to the mercy of thugs is somehow the right move.

At any rate, thanks to the guy that let us know. This is the worst thing that can happen in this game. Stay safe everyone. Thanks Oshmalee for sending the ban to STG.

Maybe a discussion best had in the Woodshed, but a quick thought. Pulling a CC and not pulling the trigger is seen by many prosecutors as having NOT been a life-or-death situation. If you pull it, shoot! And shoot to kill, leaving only one side of the story to be told. If you're not ready for that you probably shouldn't be carrying. Safe Mongering!! (Not aimed at you DevilsAdvoc8, just posted on your comment.)

**MRBrooks1133** · 04-23-22 22:28

Originally Posted by PlayTiem [View Original Post]

What the fuck is wrong with you? You are fine with wanting to engage in illegal activity, but the other side is immoral because what now?

"an innocent individual just trying to get a quick piece of ass" Go to a bar. Don't shoot someone.

Piece of shit.

Your going go to call me piece of shit for having the balls to defend myself. That's why guys like me who fought for this country, is the reason why little pussy fucks like you who didn't get laid high school, who have never lived up to a standard in life, who always cried for not getting a trophy for finishing last, but still got acknowledged for trying, is the reason why you grew up to be *****! Your a crybaby little simp bastard who does what your femboy pimp tells you what to do. So you say " how dare you shoot at anyone, you'll got to jail". "That's not how you treat a provider and her pimp". So I guess I'm suppose to stand there and let them rob me and be on my way right? That's just how it goes right? That's just the nature of the game right? And of course your going to say "well, you who had no business being there in the first place". Your right.

I had no business being in Afghanistan, but I was there. That doesn't mean you get to dictate my fate. There is people that have worked really hard and earned their right to exist on this planet. I can make a pretty good guess that 90% of these providers as well as their degenerate pimps haven't earned nothing in this lifetime. And if anything, they should all be castrated. Especially the ones who are going out their way take advantage of good people. This is why we can't have good things in this country.

**DevilsAdvoc8** · 04-23-22 18:17

Originally Posted by Zinzrah [View Original Post]

Dude when 3 guys come after me I'm pulling my piece too. You're way overthinking this. I always wanted to see that girl too but not anymore. As long as money wasn't exchanged for sexual services he's in the clear. He committed no crime and is perfectly legal to defend himself. Now if after then the waters get murky but I wouldn't lose an ounce of sleep dropping 3 DBs that brought a knife to a gun fight.

I'm also CCW. I remember this from my course. At that point he was in an armed robbery situation where using your weapon is now legal. I also don't know why anyone is discouraging self-defense in this scenario. Yes, the law is never 100% but neither is trusting DBs not to kill you after you hand over the money anyway. Obviously, don't pull the trigger unless you have to, but not sure why leaving yourself to the mercy of thugs is somehow the right move.

At any rate, thanks to the guy that let us know. This is the worst thing that can happen in this game. Stay safe everyone. Thanks Oshmalee for sending the ban to STG.

**Grune** · 04-23-22 16:21

Originally Posted by BlackLightning [View Original Post]

I had a dream I met Karmen this morning morning. Long story short, I get to the hotel. When I stepped in the room, I noticed her acting weird. Three guys come out of her bathroom with knives to try and robbed me. I'm licensed to carry, so I had other plans. I pull out my piece and slowly backed out the door. Karmen will get you caught up, be safe fellas. https://jacksonville.skipthegames.co...a/020229639684.

A few weeks back she was posting that she was homeless and living out of a bus station and needed money for a room. That means she's down bad and desperate. I make it a point to avoid the desperate. Nothing to lose.

**MRBrooks1133** · 04-23-22 14:21

Originally Posted by PlayTiem [View Original Post]

What the fuck is wrong with you? You are fine with wanting to engage in illegal activity, but the other side is immoral because what now?

"an innocent individual just trying to get a quick piece of ass" Go to a bar. Don't shoot someone.

Piece of shit.

Oh so your going to justify every pimp that tries to rob someone for playing by the rules. Oh let me guess, in the black Market business there is no rules right? Bullshit! Smart successful individuals who have money don't fool around the ghettos. But believe it or not, you can find top notch call girls / #myfans webcam girls that will try to take advantage of you as well. Its not just the ghetto / trailer park. I rest assure you this, when prostitution becomes legalized and monitored by the state / government, the types of girls will die off. Natural selection will takes its place.

**GA Dawg7Oh** · 04-23-22 13:54

Originally Posted by BudWhite [View Original Post]

The firearm law knowledge on this forum is frightening.

Dude when 3 guys come after me I'm pulling my piece too. You're way overthinking this. I always wanted to see that girl too but not anymore. As long as money wasn't exchanged for sexual services he's in the clear. He committed no crime and is perfectly legal to defend himself. Now if after then the waters get murky but I wouldn't lose an ounce of sleep dropping 3 DBs that brought a knife to a gun fight.

**SuperXY** · 04-23-22 13:33

Originally Posted by BudWhite [View Original Post]

The firearm law knowledge on this forum is frightening.

My thought as well. I'm CC, and choose never carry to a meet up. It's not worth working yourself up to be put in a slammer over these model citizens.

**Low Baller** · 04-23-22 11:45

Originally Posted by BlackLightning [View Original Post]

I had a dream I met Karmen this morning morning. Long story short, I get to the hotel. When I stepped in the room, I noticed her acting weird. Three guys come out of her bathroom with knives to try and robbed me. I'm licensed to carry, so I had other plans. I pull out my piece and slowly backed out the door. Karmen will get you caught up, be safe fellas. https://jacksonville.skipthegames.co...a/020229639684.

BL,

First I am glad you got out safe and second safe without getting robbed. At least you did not have to run naked to your car like I did.

Mongers, this is scary in more than the fact some providers are trying to rob us. What is scary is that these girls have been in Jax a long time and even have good reviews here. So they must be normal much of the time, but when desperate they decide to rob us. And, Mongers do not blame stg, this provider has been on Tryst and asking high prices!

Three lessons from all of this: First, even a positive rated long term provider may rob or even kill us. Second Mongers, do not ever trust a provider. You are only $ to her no matter how she makes you feel like a bf. Third, the girls make you feel special, but we are just $ to them so stop paying them insane rates, they are not our girl friends!

BL, again glad you are ok, you did every thing right the reviews have been positive and yet you were cautious and you baked out when you had to.

**BudWhite** · 04-23-22 11:17

Originally Posted by BlackLightning [View Original Post]

I had a dream I met Karmen this morning morning. Long story short, I get to the hotel. When I stepped in the room, I noticed her acting weird. Three guys come out of her bathroom with knives to try and robbed me. I'm licensed to carry, so I had other plans. I pull out my piece and slowly backed out the door. Karmen will get you caught up, be safe fellas. https://jacksonville.skipthegames.co...a/020229639684.

The firearm law knowledge on this forum is frightening.