Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[Vinnie Kramer]

Good news: I scored some Blanton's, E. H. Taylor and Weller Antique (the big bottle).

Bad news: There goes my fun budget for the week.

[Bullet454]

How many words is it worth if Raylee and I are naked and frolicking together? I mean, I'm straight but words are words. And Raylee is the only girl I'd have a conversation with, I typically like a little meat in my mouth when I'm chewing the fat, making words and all, you know?

Please do. Maybe it will end the EE show, and people will start talking about pussy again.

[Graceful Milf]

Just a friendly reminder that naked frolicking vids and pics require much less time, effort, and are worth at least a 1000 words each.

How many words is it worth if Raylee and I are naked and frolicking together? I mean, I'm straight but words are words. And Raylee is the only girl I'd have a conversation with, I typically like a little meat in my mouth when I'm chewing the fat, making words and all, you know?

[PearishBA]

I was going to post a long winded response. But I don't argue with stupid.

Just a friendly reminder that naked frolicking vids and pics require much less time, effort, and are worth at least a 1000 words each.

[Hillbilly Bob]

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EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was edited or deleted in accordance with the Forum's policy prohibiting reports claiming that another person is or was collaborating with Law Enforcement officials, largely because many of these reports are less than genuine.

The fact I'll just come out and say it: From my long history running this forum, the vast majority of these accusations are authored by ex-boyfriends, ex-clients, competitors, and other individuals with a grudge who post the accusations solely to disparage their "target".

But nevertheless, let's follow the logic:

1. How exactly do you know that the individual is cooperating with LE? From my perspective, the only way I can imagine that you would know this would be if you were "in the room" at the time, which makes you either LE or an informant yourself.

2. From experience, many of these accusations are substantiated solely by the author having witnessed the individual talking to cops on the street, which is not in and of itself sufficient evidence of anything. If you're claiming that as the source of your accusation, then every person who has been given a traffic ticket is also cooperating with LE. It just doesn't wash.

3. Nevertheless, let's assume that the individual you mentioned is in fact "working with LE". OK, so what? What exactly are they going to tell them? That they fucked some guy for money? I've never heard of any individual being prosecuted for engaging in commercial sex based on the testimony of a street prostitute. It just doesn't make any sense. Can you imagine the scene in the courtroom where a jury is listening to some street prostitute on a witness stand pointing at some average Joe and claiming "He paid me for sex!". It's just laughable.

Like I said, so what?

The bottom line: Don't waste my time posting this sort of stupidity in my forum.

Thanks!

[Cinciraylee25]

Yes quite the coincidence. Both Raylee and Grace jump on here saying how bad they feel for him as soon as he gets busted which they undoubtedly helped to make that happen. Both complained about him. Grace worked 3 days for him but was fine with him taking 20% because she hated running ads and scheduling. Raylee made 6 figures in 18 months yet got his Twitter account suspended and tried to get gas website shut down. Congratulations Rayleigh, you succeeded. Accused him of giving her business to other girls because she disappeared from the hotel and the client had limited time then showing back up 45 minutes later wondering where her appointment was. Gave his home address to Grace so she could threaten him as well. Publicly accuses him on her Twitter page of posing as clients by using their phone numbers then no showing. How did he do that? Then warns everyone not to call Steve because the cops may have his phone? Ya think?

Mongers be very careful with Raylee right now. Steve sent me screenshots of her messages to him, I'm sure the cops would like to talk to her as she's their number one witness against him at the moment. She posts her schedule everyday for the next month on Twitter so it won't take LEO long to run her down. She bit the hand that fed her, yours means absolutely nothing to her.

Be careful out there right now. I wouldn't trust these 2 whackos for a free lunch date right now.

I was going to post a long winded response. But I don't argue with stupid.

[Below Me]

Kind of ironic that Steve was the subject of beratement on here a few days ago from a would-be provider who didn't care much for him; just makes you wonder at the coincidence. That would be a shame.

Yes quite the coincidence. Both Raylee and Grace jump on here saying how bad they feel for him as soon as he gets busted which they undoubtedly helped to make that happen. Both complained about him. Grace worked 3 days for him but was fine with him taking 20% because she hated running ads and scheduling. Raylee made 6 figures in 18 months yet got his Twitter account suspended and tried to get gas website shut down. Congratulations Rayleigh, you succeeded. Accused him of giving her business to other girls because she disappeared from the hotel and the client had limited time then showing back up 45 minutes later wondering where her appointment was. Gave his home address to Grace so she could threaten him as well. Publicly accuses him on her Twitter page of posing as clients by using their phone numbers then no showing. How did he do that? Then warns everyone not to call Steve because the cops may have his phone? Ya think?

Mongers be very careful with Raylee right now. Steve sent me screenshots of her messages to him, I'm sure the cops would like to talk to her as she's their number one witness against him at the moment. She posts her schedule everyday for the next month on Twitter so it won't take LEO long to run her down. She bit the hand that fed her, yours means absolutely nothing to her.

Be careful out there right now. I wouldn't trust these 2 whackos for a free lunch date right now.

[Twisted69]

There's absolutely no way, I told him 20% when he tried to say 25% and I don't do freebies. And I have more discerning taste in men, shall we say? He never got me a room, I have my own car, I'm not on anything and I think this is fun. I enjoy it and it shows. I'm also not desperate, I own my on home and have a job, just getting some upgrades paid for after 10 of living there. I love my job but the pay sucks. I am crap at scheduling; I just need someone to tell me where to be and the 20% was almost worth it, but he's a creep. I do have a new scheduler, with whom I am his only gal who does this sort of thing. He's just a nice guy who is super organized, could use the extra cash, and really really loves the product he's helping to peddle. I approve of guys or not, and he manages my schedule. I'm not a crack head, I don't do guys only crack heads would do.

I saw Grace today, HHR at a hotel in NKY. Reasonable rate for the service provided, she is very enthusiastic and really enjoys what she does. Which is a lot. She said she is working on getting an ad up but to PM her through the forum if you want to get in contact for now.

Does anybody else find these two posts to be coincidentally odd given the current nky situation?

[WoodFordR69]

The law is vague, but you could get charged for human trafficking - the part that reads supporting which could mean paying. You also need to add if they impound your car for using it to commit a crime; the penalty for criminal tools I. E. Phone, computer etc. It's never just one charge in the end. Plus court costs. Plus John school. If you hire an attorney that's probably another $2500.

Your right about what it could cost if they got serious. On the HT part, there were a lot of references to having explicit knowledge. Looks like it was written to ensure they can get the handlers but customers would be hard to prove. Again, just my interpretation. Generally uncles threaten stuff like that to get higher up in the org. They already took the head off the snake. Everything else is just pennies on the dollar. They have a high burden of proof for the potential of a smaller reward than the expenses of the investigation. They can get a shitload more confiscating cash from a dealer. Hell, in the BC sting where they caught dudes in the room, they just got tickets to pay. Showing up was absolute proof. If someone at the the's office has a serious hard-on to chase this, maybe they do. More than likely they stop at the head & maybe parolees they can violate back. That's just my bet.

[Graceful Milf]

When someone takes 25-40% of a women's donation and tries to have "free" dreams, then he is in fact a pimp.

There's absolutely no way, I told him 20% when he tried to say 25% and I don't do freebies. And I have more discerning taste in men, shall we say? He never got me a room, I have my own car, I'm not on anything and I think this is fun. I enjoy it and it shows. I'm also not desperate, I own my on home and have a job, just getting some upgrades paid for after 10 of living there. I love my job but the pay sucks. I am crap at scheduling; I just need someone to tell me where to be and the 20% was almost worth it, but he's a creep. I do have a new scheduler, with whom I am his only gal who does this sort of thing. He's just a nice guy who is super organized, could use the extra cash, and really really loves the product he's helping to peddle. I approve of guys or not, and he manages my schedule. I'm not a crack head, I don't do guys only crack heads would do.

[Chunks92]

The law is vague, but you could get charged for human trafficking - the part that reads supporting which could mean paying. You also need to add if they impound your car for using it to commit a crime; the penalty for criminal tools I. E. Phone, computer etc. It's never just one charge in the end. Plus court costs. Plus John school. If you hire an attorney that's probably another $2500.

Here is a very important line in Ohios code for human trafficking: "In a prosecution under this section, proof that the defendant engaged in sexual activity with any person, or solicited sexual activity with any person, whether or not for hire, without more, does not constitute a violation of this section. ".

That is a statute reserved for true pieces of shit. Even guys who are drivers don't end up with anything severe. There was some old guy, clearly just an average harmless dude, who got charged with fourth degree felony promoting prostitution for giving a woman a ride to what turned out to be a sting back in 2017. (invasive as fuck, its really nobodys business if im hanging out with a grown woman, guy never should have been charged.) It was amended to fourth degree misdemeanor disorderly conduct and he got off with a small fine. Still all great examples of why to never pay electronically and not be specific in chat logs, but its highly doubtful some random peon is going to get charged for that, not in Ohio at least, and even if they did it wouldnt hold up in court. Kentucky I can't speak to that, but something tells me that the only way something like that has a snowballs chance in hell of materializing is if the guy incriminates himself.

Took me a while but i dug up the article. this poor bastard. finding the case on case search you can see the amended charge.

https://www.wkbn.com/news/3-arrested...in-austintown/

[Twisted69]

If I'm reading the penalty section of KY Laws, the max fine for a john is going to be $250. They are not likely going to spend a bunch of investigation resources to hand out tickets. Now, if they find someone on parole has violated that parole by using his illegal services, they might go after them. With all the drug OD's & recent shootings, they have other shit to worry about.

The law is vague, but you could get charged for human trafficking - the part that reads supporting which could mean paying. You also need to add if they impound your car for using it to commit a crime; the penalty for criminal tools I. E. Phone, computer etc. It's never just one charge in the end. Plus court costs. Plus John school. If you hire an attorney that's probably another $2500.

[Twisted69]

Kind of ironic that Steve was the subject of beratement on here a few days ago from a would-be provider who didn't care much for him; just makes you wonder at the coincidence. That would be a shame.

My guess is they established dates with several girls to prove he was the wizard behind the curtain and then busted him. There is no way they looked up his website and said hey let's just arrest him. I would also guess during that time they watched others go in and out as well!! Goes back to don't say anything if you get questioned! I do know prior to the pandemic, from a talkative intoxicated officer one night at a bar that he said they (nky cooperating agencies) have access to infrared cameras and laser mics. So who knows how this might play out. Be safe.

[WoodFordR69]

Really none of its anonymous bro, if they want to find out something, they are going to find out what they are looking for. None of it will hold up in court let alone make its way into court unless you are contacting a live sting ad, or are a high ranking official that someone is going after their job like that west virginia senator, and he was in an extremely low crime county with nothing better to do. And even then it didn't hold up in court. The only problem you're going to run into is if you're married or have a significant other or some shit like that, like hypothetically they call your home phone and then your wife figures out or something to that effect and an argument ensues. But even then you're not going to court, that guy was a senator, we are peons. they have a hard enough time getting charges to stick on the dudes that DO show up to the operations. Easy solution to all of this? Don't get married.

If I'm reading the penalty section of KY Laws, the max fine for a john is going to be $250. They are not likely going to spend a bunch of investigation resources to hand out tickets. Now, if they find someone on parole has violated that parole by using his illegal services, they might go after them. With all the drug OD's & recent shootings, they have other shit to worry about.

[Chunks92]

What about Telegraph? Is that anonymous?

Really none of its anonymous bro, if they want to find out something, they are going to find out what they are looking for. None of it will hold up in court let alone make its way into court unless you are contacting a live sting ad, or are a high ranking official that someone is going after their job like that west virginia senator, and he was in an extremely low crime county with nothing better to do. And even then it didn't hold up in court. The only problem you're going to run into is if you're married or have a significant other or some shit like that, like hypothetically they call your home phone and then your wife figures out or something to that effect and an argument ensues. But even then you're not going to court, that guy was a senator, we are peons. they have a hard enough time getting charges to stick on the dudes that DO show up to the operations. Easy solution to all of this? Don't get married.