"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[FarFarAway]

I like your idea but I don't know if it would work. I find that you need to close the deal in person. It is a connection issue and a girl isn't likely to call you if you haven't engaged her in conversation but merely slipped her a note. And if you have engaged her in conversation, why bother slipping her a note; go in for the kill if the talk is warm and fuzzy. But I could be wrong. I have never tried your idea but does that work for you? I get what you are saying about risk. When I was married I never recruited close to home. Now I am less restrictive in my hunting. I can always get another GF without having to give her half my stuff. LOL.

Re-read what I said. "If you flirt with the waitress / bartender. ". Yes, of course, you have to have some basis for thinking she might be receptive. Just handing someone your number isn't going to work.

[PartyTimeGuy]

... I am all about risk / reward in the bowl. If I got caught, it would be devastation.

Here is a recent post I made elsewhere that is right on point to your statement: http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...647&viewfull=1#post5855647.

[PartyTimeGuy]

In other experience of guys reported on here, strippers have not proved to be good sources of sugar babies. They are already making a lot at $5-800/ night, they may want you to make up for that to date them. They think too highly of themselves. You want a girl who isn't that confident, and who wants to gain confidence in her sugar relationship. The small town girl / GND.

I agree that some strippers are jaded by the money and attention they get. But not all. The best looking ones in a big city strip joint are probably not good sugar candidates. In a small city or town and / or a seedy bar the girls don't always make that much money or get that much attention. I have had a great deal of success in these circumstances.

I also assume that you are single, I mean really single. I have been told by a few girls I met from SA that they've had an arrangement but not from the site, it started 'organically', or whatever. One girl told me she was out for brunch w / friends, was approached by a guy, and ended up in an arrangement. Again, it is possible this works, as long as the girl doesn't have a BF who is around the corner and chases you down, and as long as you've got a little bit of game and aren't hugely older. In my own case, I am 60+, and married, and the girls I get on best with tend to be mid-20's. There are plenty of girls who are interested in me, I just can't tell walking down the street who that will be. The site filters those for me.

I am single now, although I have a regular GF. However, I did this when I was younger and married as well. You do have to have some game, but not necessarily great looks. Girls aren't usually as fixated on looks as men are. Personality and money can go a long way. I don't experience the age thing as a huge barrier, but for some women it is. You just have to learn from experience what kinds of women are approachable. There are so many clues and cues to look for. A woman who likes to be flirted with is an obvious first start. In that sense I find that recruiting SBs in person a far more satisfying experience than locating them on a sugar site with all its possible negatives: lots of GPS, high $ expectations and a "pro attitude" rather than the amateur small town girl next door type that is far more ideal, and also usually far easier on the pocketbook.

I'd guess the scenario you present is also dependent on the part of the country you are in.

Here I would beg to disagree. I have recruited SBs of all ages and types in all areas of the country. I don't see that much regional difference.

If you are in the habit of going alone to bars / restaurants and flirt w / the waitress / bartender, you can do this trick. Take a packet of sugar, write your burner # on it, and the last thing before you go hand it to her and say 'there's more sugar where this came from'. She'll know just what you are saying. If she texts, great, if not, pretty low risk. I am all about risk / reward in the bowl. If I got caught, it would be devastation.

I like your idea but I don't know if it would work. I find that you need to close the deal in person. It is a connection issue and a girl isn't likely to call you if you haven't engaged her in conversation but merely slipped her a note. And if you have engaged her in conversation, why bother slipping her a note; go in for the kill if the talk is warm and fuzzy. But I could be wrong. I have never tried your idea but does that work for you? I get what you are saying about risk. When I was married I never recruited close to home. Now I am less restrictive in my hunting. I can always get another GF without having to give her half my stuff. LOL.

[Tidad]

https://members.seeking.com/member/2...4-45777fab3159

Is this the famous little red? Did notice a thin redhead on midlo earlier today.

Nope. "the" Little Red is much closer to 30 than 20 by now and more petite than this girl. She was very street worn and wallowing in multiple addictions when last I saw her. (Don't get excited, its been years).

[VAvet]

https://members.seeking.com/member/2...4-45777fab3159

Is this the famous little red? Did notice a thin redhead on midlo earlier today.

[FarFarAway]

It is very nice to have for regular meets a young, thin to well-built UTR girl, who hasn't turned over the odometer a few times already. In my experience, however, you aren't going to get a recommendation for such a prize on here. If she is that good she has already been corralled and branded, and is no longer on the market.
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In other experience of guys reported on here, strippers have not proved to be good sources of sugar babies. They are already making a lot at $5-800/ night, they may want you to make up for that to date them. They think too highly of themselves. You want a girl who isn't that confident, and who wants to gain confidence in her sugar relationship. The small town girl / GND.

I also assume that you are single, I mean really single. I have been told by a few girls I met from SA that they've had an arrangement but not from the site, it started 'organically', or whatever. One girl told me she was out for brunch w / friends, was approached by a guy, and ended up in an arrangement. Again, it is possible this works, as long as the girl doesn't have a BF who is around the corner and chases you down, and as long as you've got a little bit of game and aren't hugely older. In my own case, I am 60+, and married, and the girls I get on best with tend to be mid-20's. There are plenty of girls who are interested in me, I just can't tell walking down the street who that will be. The site filters those for me.

I'd guess the scenario you present is also dependent on the part of the country you are in.

If you are in the habit of going alone to bars / restaurants and flirt w / the waitress / bartender, you can do this trick. Take a packet of sugar, write your burner # on it, and the last thing before you go hand it to her and say 'there's more sugar where this came from'. She'll know just what you are saying. If she texts, great, if not, pretty low risk. I am all about risk / reward in the bowl. If I got caught, it would be devastation.

[PartyTimeGuy]

I'd wanting to find a young (low mileage) small (petite) UTR girl for a regular. PM if you can recommend someone. I know how to treat them Tried SA and even though I'm mid 50"s I had luck. Had a regular for 3 years til she graduated college and moved back home. TIA.

It is very nice to have for regular meets a young, thin to well-built UTR girl, who hasn't turned over the odometer a few times already. In my experience, however, you aren't going to get a recommendation for such a prize on here. If she is that good she has already been corralled and branded, and is no longer on the market.

My suggestion would be to recruit your own UTR. That has been my personal choice for many years now. I have always been as excited by the chase as much as enjoying the capture. I also tend to be a value buyer. If I can get almost the same quality for less, all the better. Therefore, I tend to stay away from the internet sites specifically made for SB or any other kind of sex advertising. These girls are already pros or at lease semi-pros in the sense that hey have identified themselves as available for sex for the right combination of money and intangibles. SWs are a step lower yet. From my point of view it is all a matter of degree: all these girls are hookers, whether high class and picky or ready-to-go. They have made the decision to fuck for money. You can dress it up as pretty as you like, but these girls usually come with mileage and attitudes. I have nothing against hookers: either those who advertise on line or walk the streets. I have enjoyed my fair share of both. I have indulged in them all across the range from high-class to low. Variety after all is truly the spice of life. However, my priorities have evolved to prefer girls who haven't committed that step yet mentally, but might with the right persuasion. I want true young amateurs that I can convince to part with pussy for money and charm. There is something about that challenge which appeals to me. I can probably analyze all the deep psychological rationale for this, but the bottom line is that I prefer this approach to any other.

So where does one go to look for young amateurs to drop their panties for the right sales pitch? The answer is: almost anywhere. I have recruited girls in libraries, grocery stores, shopping malls, sports events, restaurants, fast food joints and college cafeterias. I have also recruited girls on dating websites. The skills involved in recruiting girls in this fashion are pretty much the same as in a bar / meat market. But you are definitely playing out of your league for young pussy that is probably not available to you without including financial incentive (although very occasionally money is not even essential). It is certainly a lot easier to drive SW strolls, or search the internet for high-end to low-end sex advertisers. To recruit young women who have not taken their first step towards sex for money you need game, confidence, charm and persistence. You need to be fearless in the face of rejection. But IMHO the rewards are so worth it.

If you want easy pickings, recruit a stripper. They are easy to find and easy to recruit. After all, they are already taking off their clothes for you and spreading wide to show you the goods. It is a small step to after hour activities if they are so inclined. I usually propose 100-200 and the prospect of regular meets. 150 usually does the job and 200 almost always seals the deal. A few have required 300, but I have offered this only when they are super hot.

150 has also been my sweet spot for recruiting civvies. Sometimes I have gotten away with 100 and sometimes I have had to sweeten the pot to 200 to persuade one that was almost there. After small talk, and bringing up the SD idea, it is really the same type of conversation and negotiation that one has in a M&G from a sugar site.

You obviously want to be having a private conversation with civvies when making the transition from flirting to cash proposition. In the case of fast food cashiers I usually flirt at the counter and then ask them to join me for a cup of coffee at their break, that I have something very important to ask them. You need to gauge when to ask based on the progress of the small talk. Each situation is different. Usually I base it on their financial situation. If they are a student, struggling financially, whatever, that is a perfect opportunity to broach the SB subject. I have done this in many different ways: one example would be: " I understand that it is very hard to make it these days. If there was an opportunity for you to make a lot more money than you are making here, would that be something you would be willing to explore?" Almost always that is a yes. "I don't want to insult you or be too bold, but you are extremely pretty. Have you ever thought about having a Sugar Daddy?" There are obviously many variations of this approach. If you do it right, even if they are not interested, they are flattered. Girls have egos too. I have never had a bad experience doing this. At best you recruited a SB. At worst you had a nice conversation with a pretty young girl. I defuse the refusals by saying something like: "Hey, I understand. It's not for you. But you are so beautiful. You can't blame a guy for trying. If you ever change your mind I would definitely be interested.

[Big Mac Daddy]

Of how to pay for SA without giving up personal information.

I just did it yesterday. I used the non-reloadable OneVanilla prepaid debit card. One thing. I tried to use it in the first hour or so after purchase. It failed. I checked the balance, sufficient funds were there. The next morning, I tried again and it went through fine. Give it some time.

Another, quicker way is to call the toll free number on the card. It's an automated system. The last option in their menu allows you to register your card. It asks for the card number, exp date, and security code on the back. That's it. Hang up and use the card. I have generally used the prepaid Visa cards without any issues.

BMD.

[Scorpio22]

Was definitely a gem in her time.

I've been on her ever since she first showed up and still message her regularly. She hasn't so much as responded to me once. What got her to respond to you?

[BStreet]

Have had at least 5 contact me back since taking the pics away too, some apologizing for being so delayed. Nothing further yet, but the conversation has started, so will see

Update on this: In 3 days I have got a phone number from one, a request for lunch from one and an eyeroll from one saying "I thought we were friends". I will see how long that tactic works with the no reply gals.

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[DoneThatOnce]

So yesterday I unshared photo access from contacts that never replied after a couple of weeks. New to me since if had been a long time since I was on Seeking, it sends a message to the person saying so. Interestingly, it stirred a reply from one apologizing for not replying and saying she was interested in meeting with me. I also noted another one had reviewed my profile. So I see there is some value in that notice as an attention getter.

Update on this: In 3 days I have got a phone number from one, a request for lunch from one and an eyeroll from one saying "I thought we were friends". I will see how long that tactic works with the no reply gals.

[August23]

I'd wanting to find a young (low mileage) small (petite) UTR girl for a regular. PM if you can recommend someone. I know how to treat them Tried SA and even though I'm mid 50"s I had luck. Had a regular for 3 years til she graduated college and moved back home. TIA.

[TheHobbyLobby]

I have noted this also.

For the last year or two, I have mostly not had a paid membership. Occasionally I like to browse, of course, and stockpile POTs for when I am looking. I do that by favoriting, but that is so common, they ignore it. However, if I share my private photos, that usually gets them to at least look at my profile. Sometimes they even message. I can't read it of course without being paid, but still, it is an entree to real contact once I get a membership. I have also had the experience that when unsharing photos, that gets the girl to really look at my profile, and sometimes that prompts a message. Of course, I can only do something with that when I am paid up.

LOL I also do that. I haven't had a paid membership in over a year. I notice that when I take away access I also get a response. The issue is that this game I play gets me matches too few and far apart. By the time I am ready to pull the trigger their profiles are usually gone. I am not really into SA at the moment but I like looking and seeing if I can strike gold. I've some good SB. So good that I have hit it without paying. I am actually still chatting with me of them for now three years. She has since moved out of state but we are still friends.

[FarFarAway]

So yesterday I unshared photo access from contacts that never replied after a couple of weeks. New to me since if had been a long time since I was on Seeking, it sends a message to the person saying so. Interestingly, it stirred a reply from one apologizing for not replying and saying she was interested in meeting with me. I also noted another one had reviewed my profile. So I see there is some value in that notice as an attention getter.

I have noted this also.

For the last year or two, I have mostly not had a paid membership. Occasionally I like to browse, of course, and stockpile POTs for when I am looking. I do that by favoriting, but that is so common, they ignore it. However, if I share my private photos, that usually gets them to at least look at my profile. Sometimes they even message. I can't read it of course without being paid, but still, it is an entree to real contact once I get a membership. I have also had the experience that when unsharing photos, that gets the girl to really look at my profile, and sometimes that prompts a message. Of course, I can only do something with that when I am paid up.

[DolphinsFan72]

I have been messaging the first one-Curly Hair, not getting much traction but haven't given up yet.

Ran across her profile on FB she is friends with another SB accepted friend request but no luck on date.