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  1. #10524

    Sealed vs Expunged

    There's a little more nuance than this.

    https://www.dfm-law.com/blog/2019/09...u-should-know/

    Quote Originally Posted by Twisted69  [View Original Post]
    You can have your record expunged after a certain time period, but information suckers (like Lexus nexus) keep all that searchable data. This info can be searched by potential employers etc. That use good background investigation techniques. So basically the charge that was dropped is still there and searchable.

  2. #10523

    Sounds good but not really

    Quote Originally Posted by Chunks92  [View Original Post]
    If I was in your position I would have been fine with that as well, just as good as disorderly conduct. Criminal tools doesn't really look bad on a job application. Soliciting / prostitution does. I'd take that any day of the week. Glad for you man!
    You can have your record expunged after a certain time period, but information suckers (like Lexus nexus) keep all that searchable data. This info can be searched by potential employers etc. That use good background investigation techniques. So basically the charge that was “dropped” is still there and searchable.

  3. #10522

    Not much different from a DUI

    Quote Originally Posted by BedtimeStory  [View Original Post]
    Yes I have to attend the john school.

    $265 court costs and fine.

    $250 enrollment of john school.

    $521 car impound.

    $000 attorney.

    $750 lost wages for 3 days.

    $250 confiscated for provider.
    Court costs, attorney fees, enrollment in alcohol class, money to rent a breathalyzer for your car to get back and forth to work, monthly expense for that, monitoring with alcohol rehab counselor, another monthly expense. It's always about the money and gow. Many agencies / businesses can profit from your mistake. Plus the press that they've gotten another one off the street during an election year. This is why the blood alcohol limits were lowered as well, gets more people enrolled in their system, this is no different. Won't make any difference to you or drinkers, other than the fact drinkers now take Ubers, another business formed out of the DUI push. Mongers still going to monger, it is the oldest profession after all. You'll just go about it differently and be more careful. Thanks for sharing your story for all of us and really sorry this happened to you. I feel worse for the married guy you shared the backseat of a police car with though. Wonder how his life is going at the moment?

  4. #10521

    The inhumanity of humanity!

    Quote Originally Posted by BedtimeStory  [View Original Post]
    Yes I have to attend the john school.

    $265 court costs and fine.

    $250 enrollment of john school.

    $521 car impound.

    $000 attorney.

    $750 lost wages for 3 days.

    $250 confiscated for provider.
    Gawdamn it! Give them hell at 'john school'. Tell them 'human trafficking' is media narrative bs to get scumbags re-elected and budget increases. And this whole experience is going to make you that much better at renting pussy! TP the hallways and egg the principle's car.

    Something tells me they have at least a 50% chance of converting you to the dark side. Putting bibles in hotel rooms, using the streetwalker reports from the inside to clean up the streets! And then try to write a damn book about it!

  5. #10520
    Quote Originally Posted by Cartog  [View Original Post]
    Do they require you to attend a john school session as part of your probation? Do you care to share your total out-of-pocket price for your case such as fine, court cost, john school, car impound, attorney, etc? Thanks.
    Yes I have to attend the john school.

    $265 court costs and fine.

    $250 enrollment of john school.

    $521 car impound.

    $000 attorney.

    $750 lost wages for 3 days.

    $250 confiscated for provider.

  6. #10519
    Quote Originally Posted by BedtimeStory  [View Original Post]
    Two charges. Solicitation and possession of criminal tools.

    Plea bargain for the tools charge and dropped solicitation. 1 year non reporting probation.
    Do they require you to attend a john school session as part of your probation? Do you care to share your total out-of-pocket price for your case such as fine, court cost, john school, car impound, attorney, etc? Thanks.

  7. #10518

    Just as good in my opinion

    Quote Originally Posted by BedtimeStory  [View Original Post]
    Two charges. Solicitation and possession of criminal tools.

    Plea bargain for the tools charge and dropped solicitation. 1 year non reporting probation.
    If I was in your position I would have been fine with that as well, just as good as disorderly conduct. Criminal tools doesn't really look bad on a job application. Soliciting / prostitution does. I'd take that any day of the week. Glad for you man!

  8. #10517
    Quote Originally Posted by Chunks92  [View Original Post]
    Worst you will probably get is a pair of 4th degree misdemeanor disorderly conducts. Unless you are caught in a real low crime county with aggressive prosecutors.
    Two charges. Solicitation and possession of criminal tools.

    Plea bargain for the tools charge and dropped solicitation. 1 year non reporting probation.

  9. #10516

    At the end of the day

    Quote Originally Posted by BedtimeStory  [View Original Post]
    Yes you are right. But solicitation is against the law, doesn't stop us. Think they play by all the rules also. Anything they find is inadmissible, but for intelligence. Nothing on my phone though. But they don't know that until they look.
    Worst you will probably get is a pair of 4th degree misdemeanor disorderly conducts. Unless you are caught in a real low crime county with aggressive prosecutors.

  10. #10515
    Quote Originally Posted by DNut  [View Original Post]
    Unless they have a warrant to access your phone specifically, it doesn't matter if they can hack in or not. If there was no warrant for the phone, anything they find is inadmissible. Just like a door lock, it's not the lock that keeps cops out, but that if they break through without a warrant, not only can they not use whatever they find or anything that comes from a trail of what they find, but they just broke the law.

    https://www.loc.gov/item/global-lega...-constitution/
    Yes you are right. But solicitation is against the law, doesn't stop us. Think they play by all the rules also. Anything they find is inadmissible, but for intelligence. Nothing on my phone though. But they don't know that until they look.

  11. #10514
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    Posts: 2645
    Quote Originally Posted by BedtimeStory  [View Original Post]
    They have software that hacks in a back door. No phone is safe.

    Even Apple biometric. Was a case a few years ago. Murder case if I remember. US government wanted past Apple bio metric. Apple sued. Government hired 3rd party hack and dropped case.
    Unless they have a warrant to access your phone specifically, it doesn't matter if they can hack in or not. If there was no warrant for the phone, anything they find is inadmissible. Just like a door lock, it's not the lock that keeps cops out, but that if they break through without a warrant, not only can they not use whatever they find or anything that comes from a trail of what they find, but they just broke the law.

    https://www.loc.gov/item/global-lega...-constitution/

  12. #10513
    Quote Originally Posted by Twisted69  [View Original Post]
    If you were not provided a warrant for phone evidence, I would say you have grounds for a dismissal or at least the right to drop phone evidence from the case and the criminal tool charge. Plus your civil liberties were infringed because of due process not followed. Not sure if this works but, they could have hacked your phone by using your digital fingerprint copy to a gloved hand to open the biometric. Just a guess though. Plus, on some inner dimension (that Im not smart enough to find) there is on all phones, iPads, computers a small bit of memory that allows a forensic computer geek to find anything thats was on the device including passwords used. The only work around to remove this info is to delete all data and reinstall all software like 3 times and from a virtual platform or something like that.
    Bio metric was face. The new LEO software does all the work once connected to the port. I want to say the founder of McAffee, but can't remember the author. Was an article in police one forum. Big software they go on about is stingray. That's how they found jihad Johnny on Montana ave a few years back.

  13. #10512
    Quote Originally Posted by Kenal1  [View Original Post]
    No info when searching. She looks a little familiar but I don't recognize the name. Anyone have info?

    https://sumosear.ch/images/webpage/c...night/45002073
    Saw her last week, was a fine visit in a SVille incall, some signs of some habits of that is something that you try to avoid.

  14. #10511

    Hacked phone?

    Quote Originally Posted by BedtimeStory  [View Original Post]
    I wouldn't expect it either in a misdemeanor case, but someone accessed an account only assessable from my phone with two part authentication while they had it. Made some smartass changes to my profile on tinder. Sure they had s blast with that. Real funny. Changed my profile to be a woman looking for man.
    If you were not provided a warrant for phone evidence, I would say you have grounds for a dismissal or at least the right to drop phone evidence from the case and the criminal tool charge. Plus your civil liberties were infringed because of due process not followed. Not sure if this works but, they could have hacked your phone by using your digital fingerprint copy to a gloved hand to open the biometric. Just a guess though. Plus, on some inner dimension (that I’m not smart enough to find) there is on all phones, iPads, computers a small bit of memory that allows a forensic computer geek to find anything that’s was on the device including passwords used. The only work around to remove this info is to delete all data and reinstall all software like 3 times and from a virtual platform or something like that.

  15. #10510

    Re

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill513OH  [View Original Post]
    Sorry to hear but thanks for sharing.

    I'm. Curious. Did they ask if you were LEO over text prior to meeting?
    No they did not.

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