The Woodshed

[MouthHunter]

Where. Exactly did I say I was coming in here not looking to spend money? I know I was drunk, but I've never once uttered those words. So like before, maybe you also have me confused with someone else, because I ever once said that. The most I said was that I was going to go find a dark corner so I don't get harassed for money. Yeah, because I literally JUST walked in. Nobody likes being jumped at the door.

If you and the other guy aren't going to actually read what I said, ask questions. Don't make things up that I never said.

Not looking to spend any money.

[Ethan X]

Continue your negative reviews, and we will all continue to do what we have always done, stay away from that club. Cheers.

It's called reporting. Whether negative or positive, that's what this forum is for. I am providing info and Intel for everybody like we are all supposed to be doing. You can continue skipping Cocktails that's your choice. It's a free country. Doesn't matter. I'm not going to stop reporting because one person doesn't want to see it.

That would be like one person complaining about someone posting about repeat sessions with a SW. Do you expect the person reporting to stay away from the chick he keeps seeing because one person has issues with the intel?

And furthermore, like I said, if you and the other guys who are literally cherry picking a freaking part of one sentence in order to make points that make no sense themselves have such a huge issue with me posting, how about you just ignore everything with my name attached and focus on what everybody else is posting. Because I'm damn sure not going to stop giving everybody a heads up on what I'm seeing.

Problem solved.

E. X.

[OnTime877]

Actually no, I haven't been complaining about Cocktails. Even when I was here back in 2014-2015, I still wasn't complaining. I've been reporting what I've been seeing. That's all. Maybe you have me confused with someone else.

Also, it actually is the only club I can get to without a car. The dumbest thing a human can do, in a city THIS big, with a bus system THIS bad that actually stops running 30 minutes after midnight, would be to take either a bus, or an expensive ass uber to one of these clubs. Talk about counterproductive. The money you spend in the club is bad enough, but to add on the cost of an uber back and forth would be insane.

I haven't had a bad time in Cocktails yet. I mean, it hasn't been good yet either, but it hasn't been anything regrettable as of yet. Truth be told I can't stand the remodeled club or the fact that they turned it into a hood spot, but I'm willing to let this play itself out to see what happens. I just need someone to cut the tongue out of the mouth of the clown with the mic who won't shut the fuck up, and get a DJ who actually knows what music is and I'll be fine.

Continue your negative reviews, and we will all continue to do what we have always done, stay away from that club. Cheers.

[Ethan X]

I said came in and wasn't interested in spending any money. But I actually was throwing money. It was the white girl that made me stop.

So yeah, you're right, I actually did say that. But if anybody read anything, they'd see I went against that frame of mind rather quickly from me saying I was drunk.

[Ethan X]

Dude you do understand those girls are there to work. Which means they need money. You go in there saying that you're not going to spend any. WTF do you expect them to act like? They just want to entertain you for free? Go to a regular bar and see how that goes for you.

Where. Exactly did I say I was coming in here not looking to spend money? I know I was drunk, but I've never once uttered those words. So like before, maybe you also have me confused with someone else, because I ever once said that. The most I said was that I was going to go find a dark corner so I don't get harassed for money. Yeah, because I literally JUST walked in. Nobody likes being jumped at the door.

If you and the other guy aren't going to actually read what I said, ask questions. Don't make things up that I never said.

[OneForTheGlory]

Dude you do understand those girls are there to work. Which means they need money. You go in there saying that you're not going to spend any. WTF do you expect them to act like? They just want to entertain you for free? Go to a regular bar and see how that goes for you.

If your looking for a girl to start up a conversation with you for free you best off going to a regular bar. Now a days in strip clubs you got to tip them to approach you on anything. You might on rare occasions have a girl approach you and ask you about your day but it's super rare. If you just sit in the corner the women are just going to think your a weirdo or a creep. And if your looking for white girls the best club on the west side is solid gold.

[MouthHunter]

Dude you do understand those girls are there to work. Which means they need money. You go in there saying that you're not going to spend any. WTF do you expect them to act like? They just want to entertain you for free? Go to a regular bar and see how that goes for you.

[Ethan X]

Yeah, you can officially chalk this one up as a waste. You can tell this broad is one of those white chicks who spent way too much time around trash, and thinks that just because she has friends that she can play that role too. You all know the type I'm talking about.

Either way, she's the only white stripper in Cocktails I've seen thus far. I'm not going to bother with this chick. If any of you decide to try, I won't stop you.

I'm done for the night. Going to maybe go for a drunken walk now.

E. X.

[Member #6355]

*stands on soapbox*.

I personally don't think the situation is going to improve until we, as johns / clients / hobbyists, start telling politicians to back off on stupid ideas for trying to deal with legitimate sex trafficking.

Shutting down Craigslist and Backpage and the review sites did nothing to fight traffickers. And while I'm not trying to trivialize the real harm done, the truth is that most reported estimates of sex trafficking are wildly overestimated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...our-eyes-nope/

https://whyy.org/segments/fosta-sest...ed-a-movement/

SESTA / FOSTA made hobbying more dangerous for both johns and sex workers.

We need to move sex work from the underground status it's in now to something more legitimate, where we can talk openly about safe situations for both johns and sex workers. It's ridiculous that it's hard to identify dangerous providers, just as it's ridiculous for sex workers to not be able to identify dangerous men who abuse the service they provide.

Most of us just want to be able to see a provider who's not going to rob us, not going to pass on a dangerous STD, and is going to be clear-headed enough to have a fun time with at a price agreed to by both parties. We do this in every other economic transaction we conduct in our lives. Why is sex work so hard to do this with? The puritanical approach isn't working and never did.

Sex work is real work. The sex economy is a real economy. Sex work needs to be legitimized to make it safer and more fun for all.

I completely agree with all of this. However, in the legal brothels in Nevada, at least, condoms are required for everything, including BJs, which would be a deal-breaker for me. One of the girls from one of these establishments, BTW, is Alice Little, who has some free YouTube videos and maintains a pretty amusing blog.

[JustinCider904]

*stands on soapbox*.

I personally don't think the situation is going to improve until we, as johns / clients / hobbyists, start telling politicians to back off on stupid ideas for trying to deal with legitimate sex trafficking.

Shutting down Craigslist and Backpage and the review sites did nothing to fight traffickers. And while I'm not trying to trivialize the real harm done, the truth is that most reported estimates of sex trafficking are wildly overestimated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...our-eyes-nope/

https://whyy.org/segments/fosta-sest...ed-a-movement/

SESTA / FOSTA made hobbying more dangerous for both johns and sex workers.

We need to move sex work from the underground status it's in now to something more legitimate, where we can talk openly about safe situations for both johns and sex workers. It's ridiculous that it's hard to identify dangerous providers, just as it's ridiculous for sex workers to not be able to identify dangerous men who abuse the service they provide.

Most of us just want to be able to see a provider who's not going to rob us, not going to pass on a dangerous STD, and is going to be clear-headed enough to have a fun time with at a price agreed to by both parties. We do this in every other economic transaction we conduct in our lives. Why is sex work so hard to do this with? The puritanical approach isn't working and never did.

Sex work is real work. The sex economy is a real economy. Sex work needs to be legitimized to make it safer and more fun for all.

I totally agree with you. Making sex work legal is safer for everyone, all peer reviewed data shows this. Other than Farming, there is no older profession, so it is really difficult to understand the constant resistance to it. The biggest issue is the majority of female voters will not go for it, and almost no sober married male will opening side with this position. Thus the conundrum, as these are two of the largest voting demographics.

[DevilsAdvoc8]

*stands on soapbox*.

I personally don't think the situation is going to improve until we, as johns / clients / hobbyists, start telling politicians to back off on stupid ideas for trying to deal with legitimate sex trafficking.

Shutting down Craigslist and Backpage and the review sites did nothing to fight traffickers. And while I'm not trying to trivialize the real harm done, the truth is that most reported estimates of sex trafficking are wildly overestimated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...our-eyes-nope/

https://whyy.org/segments/fosta-sest...ed-a-movement/

SESTA / FOSTA made hobbying more dangerous for both johns and sex workers.

We need to move sex work from the underground status it's in now to something more legitimate, where we can talk openly about safe situations for both johns and sex workers. It's ridiculous that it's hard to identify dangerous providers, just as it's ridiculous for sex workers to not be able to identify dangerous men who abuse the service they provide..

Sure, I would vote for that and most others would too. Neither party actually supports this. Democrats want the Scandinavian model (girls are victims and Johns are abusers) and Republicans think it is unbiblical or whatever. That said, the Jax scene is worse than a number of either Republican areas (such as Dallas) or liberal areas (the NYC / NJ areas comes to mind). The Dallas area is particularly interesting since hobbying is now a felony in TX.

Someone needs to open an agency here or something. Until someone gets the talent and makes it available we're going to keep staying in this mess.

[PervNerd48]

*stands on soapbox*.

I personally don't think the situation is going to improve until we, as johns / clients / hobbyists, start telling politicians to back off on stupid ideas for trying to deal with legitimate sex trafficking.

Shutting down Craigslist and Backpage and the review sites did nothing to fight traffickers. And while I'm not trying to trivialize the real harm done, the truth is that most reported estimates of sex trafficking are wildly overestimated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...our-eyes-nope/

https://whyy.org/segments/fosta-sest...ed-a-movement/

SESTA / FOSTA made hobbying more dangerous for both johns and sex workers.

We need to move sex work from the underground status it's in now to something more legitimate, where we can talk openly about safe situations for both johns and sex workers. It's ridiculous that it's hard to identify dangerous providers, just as it's ridiculous for sex workers to not be able to identify dangerous men who abuse the service they provide.

Most of us just want to be able to see a provider who's not going to rob us, not going to pass on a dangerous STD, and is going to be clear-headed enough to have a fun time with at a price agreed to by both parties. We do this in every other economic transaction we conduct in our lives. Why is sex work so hard to do this with? The puritanical approach isn't working and never did.

Sex work is real work. The sex economy is a real economy. Sex work needs to be legitimized to make it safer and more fun for all.

[NeckAuthority]

Several touring providers avoid JAX because they perceive the mongers here as being incredibly cheap.

I understand the value of negotiation, and I don't partake of a particular provider's services if I think she is asking more than I would get from the transaction, but providers who have the option are avoiding coming here because of this. And the ones who have the options are generally higher quality providers.

I slowly seen the downfall of jax like pretty much all of us. Sure people haggle to much, yet the quality doesn't merit the price. Pretty sure we all walked into a little situation where price is not even a conversation. Its known, you slip it on the donation plate and get your blessing. Yet, for me atleast my itch can't be scratched here anymore, so size the quality up and send out offers. Think financially we are set here, but the thought for paying for subpar talent is beneath me atleast. Think about it when does it end? Let's say you have a lassy who you break off the same breadcrumbs for years. She's does her thing. A little caveat here, we know bozos is going to pay whatever the sewer rats quote which why we seen their quotes increase. They had bits of cheese, but now they want the breadcrumbs. There some hidden board out there the ladies visit, so they either get the info of rates there or they see on ads.

If sewer rats are getting breadcrumbs, then ofcourse she wants a slice now. Which is cool. Then guess what the sewer rats wants a slice now, so guess what. She going to want two. On and on. So gets to the point where the quality don't match the quote. So we believe they are not worth what they are quoting, at the same time they think we are clutching our bread, where we really trying to bring their head from the clouds. I can go other states and get a phenomenal cleansing for under a buck. Yet same can be said over a buck when I was up north. It was worth it.

Yet here atleast the "higher-end" ladies seem to be on the spectrum for being cordial and safe environment, which is comfortable, yet same time not exciting.

Yet these streets calling me I yearn for the thrill LOL.

[TallBear]

Screw a bunch of negotiation!

Like most grownups my life is filled with negotiation. This "hobby" is a diversion. An occasional walk on the wild side. It's tasting a little forbidden fruit now & then, and I am way more concerned about avoiding the no-shit risks involved than dickering over dollars with a woman who almost certainly needs the cash more than I do.

First rule of negotiation: if you can walk away, you are in control of the conversation. Also, there is an inverse relationship between trying to control the conversation & actually controlling it.

I know I pay a little more than some. I consistently get rewarded for it.

But you do you.

[PlayTiem]

Several touring providers avoid JAX because they perceive the mongers here as being incredibly cheap.

I understand the value of negotiation, and I don't partake of a particular provider's services if I think she is asking more than I would get from the transaction, but providers who have the option are avoiding coming here because of this. And the ones who have the options are generally higher quality providers.