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  1. #4789
    Quote Originally Posted by Lance547  [View Original Post]
    I seen it with my own eyes. In Europe 50 euros will get you a hot college age spinner for a short stay and they don't want a tip. Everything is in a safe environment and it's all legal (Amsterdam / Belgium / Germany). Police patrol the areas and there are shops and restaurants just walking distance away.

    A 50 session is all covered but it doesn't matter because the woman looks just like a hot college age sorority princess in all her glory. A 50 euro session consists of her agreeing to do a date with you from her glass door that faces the street. Once she agrees she let's you in and locks the door and pulls a black shade to cover the glass door. You get comfortable on the bed while she pulls out the condoms.

    Mind you, unlike American escorts, there is no bait and switch she's all dolled up in high heels and all. You're blown covered until you're ready and when you're ready the usual position is doggie for ss. Where it gets interesting is most of the girls learn to reach back and tickle or grasp on to your balls while you pound away. Once done there is a rest room to wash up and they send you on your way. You go back the next day she could be there but there are plenty of other choices if not in a typical red light district.

    America is such a joke. Just bottom of the barrel if you're joe blow. You have 3 options on getting laid in America if you're a male: 1. Get married to the hottest girl who will give you a chance and hope she doesn't get fat, stop putting out, or divorce you. 2. Risk getting arrested for trying to solicit a hardcore drug addict prostitute who tries to get the most money out of you in the quickest possible way even if it means robbery. 3. Jerk off to Only fans / porn.

    Strip clubs and night clubs also suck because they're all places where all you can do is look around like a drooling dog but nothing more unless you're reaching for your wallet. Everyone knows extras are available at strip clubs but it's illegal and also it's just option number 2 as stated above.

    Night clubs are the worse. The worse. Women dress looking exactly like prostitutes at nightclubs but when men try to talk to them I see them mostly ignore the men to cursing the men out saying they're not obligated to speak to anyone. In American nightclubs girls close themselves off to everyone other then the celebrities and the bouncers.
    I have been there.

    Amsterdam, Germany, Belgium. Seen it.

    But this goes both ways, meaning the girls are regulated. Drunk, unruly, rowdy guys are hauled away by the Polizei. Seen that.

    Amsterdam like many cities across Europe has 'health clinics' for the girls to go to. Heck, in Amsterdam just a few minute walk from the fun areas as I remember it. Walk right in and get checked.

    I have had a few conversations with "the working girls " in my travels. I found it very enlightening how progressive Europe is.

    PH.

  2. #4788
    Quote Originally Posted by Sacramento  [View Original Post]
    Nah not me I'm not a desperate loser.

    I take my money to other countries and get better girls for 50 bucks.
    I seen it with my own eyes. In Europe 50 euros will get you a hot college age spinner for a short stay and they don't want a tip. Everything is in a safe environment and it's all legal (Amsterdam / Belgium / Germany). Police patrol the areas and there are shops and restaurants just walking distance away.

    A 50 session is all covered but it doesn't matter because the woman looks just like a hot college age sorority princess in all her glory. A 50 euro session consists of her agreeing to do a date with you from her glass door that faces the street. Once she agrees she let's you in and locks the door and pulls a black shade to cover the glass door. You get comfortable on the bed while she pulls out the condoms.

    Mind you, unlike American escorts, there is no bait and switch she's all dolled up in high heels and all. You're blown covered until you're ready and when you're ready the usual position is doggie for ss. Where it gets interesting is most of the girls learn to reach back and tickle or grasp on to your balls while you pound away. Once done there is a rest room to wash up and they send you on your way. You go back the next day she could be there but there are plenty of other choices if not in a typical red light district.

    America is such a joke. Just bottom of the barrel if you're joe blow. You have 3 options on getting laid in America if you're a male: 1. Get married to the hottest girl who will give you a chance and hope she doesn't get fat, stop putting out, or divorce you. 2. Risk getting arrested for trying to solicit a hardcore drug addict prostitute who tries to get the most money out of you in the quickest possible way even if it means robbery. 3. Jerk off to Only fans / porn.

    Strip clubs and night clubs also suck because they're all places where all you can do is look around like a drooling dog but nothing more unless you're reaching for your wallet. Everyone knows extras are available at strip clubs but it's illegal and also it's just option number 2 as stated above.

    Night clubs are the worse. The worse. Women dress looking exactly like prostitutes at nightclubs but when men try to talk to them I see them mostly ignore the men to cursing the men out saying they're not obligated to speak to anyone. In American nightclubs girls close themselves off to everyone other then the celebrities and the bouncers.

  3. #4787

    Brazilian Fravi

    I found a Brazilian woman on my way around Philadelphia and went out with her in our conversations. She said that where she lived she used to date and that she never did here, so I proposed to share her phone number with you guys, I just don't know if I can here, if I can I put it or you can PM me.

  4. #4786
    Quote Originally Posted by Farouk  [View Original Post]
    Absolute waste of time.

    https://escortbabylon.net/comments_l...86f42879ae8754

    Know that one of these girls is real, as I've spotted her at the local Wawa. Had some free time so I connected via text. Got there when I told her I would and she gave me the standard "need 5 more minutes" which quickly turns into 20. Then "meeting me at the door" followed by "on hold w my sons school, can we make it 45 more minutes"? I bounced, no time waiting any longer for someone that's either dope sick or too high.
    They're real. They're new in the game. They're all deep in their habits unfortunately. Sorry that happened to you especially when you're in need of relief. Personally even though they are attractive and sweet the place is a pig pin and they have too many people around like its a party house so I never went back.

  5. #4785

    Roxborough

    Absolute waste of time.

    https://escortbabylon.net/comments_l...86f42879ae8754

    Know that one of these girls is real, as I've spotted her at the local Wawa. Had some free time so I connected via text. Got there when I told her I would and she gave me the standard "need 5 more minutes" which quickly turns into 20. Then "meeting me at the door" followed by "on hold w my sons school, can we make it 45 more minutes"? I bounced, no time waiting any longer for someone that's either dope sick or too high.

  6. #4784

    My. 02 ˘

    Quote Originally Posted by Frasier69  [View Original Post]
    WTF is wrong with people paying nearly 300 for a hhr. Even on the high side that's double the amount one should pay for a hhr.
    Quote Originally Posted by Frasier69  [View Original Post]
    Taking a drive for 1/2 off in rates and more selection seems like a no brainer to me. Hell, a lot of people drive to DE just to avoid PA sales tax. LOL.

    I don't see the value in an average or above provider at $280 hhr. There are a lot of providers that meet the criteria you described at normal rates. There are risks in this hobby no matter what the rate is, thinking otherwise is nothing more than an illusion. Higher rates don't eliminate the need to weed out the bad providers. Streetwalkers are an entirely different beast so I don't know why you mentioned them. Unless you're suggesting there are only two alternatives in this hobby, overpriced providers or the worst streetwalker one can find.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shampoo55  [View Original Post]
    Exactly! While in many parts of life, "you get what you pay for" applies and paying UP tends to get better quality. But in something like this, that is on the fringe to begin with, over paying is no solution or substitute for "risk management. " In my experience, one can't let the level of payment mitigate risk. I have found that often the bigger the "ask" the bigger the fool shows up. So dudes need to do their DD regardless of the price and of course, follow the rules.
    So, experienced mongers KNOW this and so to them, there's no, "new news" here, but, generally speaking, when you're paying higher rates, as with anything, you expect a higher performance. With THIS experience, that doesn't always hold true.

    You're NOT going to buy a Gucci bag on the street and expect it to be real. Same here. If you're looking at lower end sites, generally price is NOT reflective of product. THIS CAN ALSO BE TRUE WITH HIGHER END SITES, as many girls "upsell" themselves and advertise on higher sites, just like SW's advertising on sites, because they know they can get a premium.

    "Generally" and only "generally" speaking,. A higher price from a more upscale website for a girl means you generally have:

    Less, "sense of danger".

    Nicer hosting conditions.

    Greater discretion.

    Less visible signs or NO signs of drug use.

    Woman more "prepped" or dressed accordingly, not in sweat pants and stained t-shirt, carrying her life around in a large worn and tattered bag.

    Good communications prior to setting the date / time and upon the arrival.

    There's also the level of service provided, once again this is very general as with this hobby it's ALWAYS, yes, ALWAYS, YMMV. A girl may provide GREAT service this time and next time have an off day and NOT. That goes for ANY provider. We have to realize, we're dealing with PEOPLE. People's needs and wants change daily, and in this hobby often times more frequently than that.

    Sorry for the experienced here, but if I helped one newbie, then great, and not sorry🤣.

    But IMHO, 280/ HHR, = 560/ HR, many lawyers don't charge THAT, paid for expensive schooling and will do the same thing to you, only for less.

    Guys, just because you HAVE the money, doesn't mean you should spend it. If you want, you're more than welcome to send it to me (#don'tpaydepositsoncashapp, #orpaypal). I promise if you send it to me, I will take good care of your money.

    But if you were going to spend that kind of money on something, you'd probably research it a little beforehand, do the same with these girls. Check in here and other sites for past reviews and info. Don't go in blind and waste your money.

    Sorry guys, long post, may not help a lot of the experienced guys, but like I said if ONE newbie gets the point, I'm happy.

    Stay safe, good luck, and happy hunting!

  7. #4783

    Ok

    Quote Originally Posted by Shampoo55  [View Original Post]
    Exactly! While in many parts of life, "you get what you pay for" applies and paying UP tends to get better quality. But in something like this, that is on the fringe to begin with, over paying is no solution or substitute for "risk management. " In my experience, one can't let the level of payment mitigate risk. I have found that often the bigger the "ask" the bigger the fool shows up. So dudes need to do their DD regardless of the price and of course, follow the rules.
    So Philly is a 2 hour round trip for me. Where are there plenty of clean, professional escorts in the suburbs that aren't addicts or just physically unattractive? Go to StG for Philly and put in the keyword "Prussia". You'll likely see 3-4 morbidly obese women, fake pics for "traveling Asians" who turn out to be dumpy 50 year old women, scams (send a deposit!) and women who are hardcore addicts. You'll also see the occasional traveler, which tend to be higher end and more expensive. She is trying to position herself as one of those. The market will decide if she's right.

    Finally, the purpose of this board is to help other guys get laid while helping yourself to do the same. I've been an active participant here and have provided solid advice and referrals. I've also learned a lot from all of you. This is just actionable info and if you trust me, you know she's not a cop or some addict that is going to steal your money or flake on your date when she passes out. If you don't want to see her I seriously DGAF. I'm not seeing her, I'm mostly seeing my SB. Just trying to help.
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  8. #4782
    Quote Originally Posted by Frasier69  [View Original Post]
    Taking a drive for 1/2 off in rates and more selection seems like a no brainer to me. Hell, a lot of people drive to DE just to avoid PA sales tax. LOL.

    I don't see the value in an average or above provider at $280 hhr. There are a lot of providers that meet the criteria you described at normal rates. There are risks in this hobby no matter what the rate is, thinking otherwise is nothing more than an illusion. Higher rates don't eliminate the need to weed out the bad providers. Streetwalkers are an entirely different beast so I don't know why you mentioned them. Unless you're suggesting there are only two alternatives in this hobby, overpriced providers or the worst streetwalker one can find.
    Exactly! While in many parts of life, "you get what you pay for" applies and paying UP tends to get better quality. But in something like this, that is on the fringe to begin with, over paying is no solution or substitute for "risk management. " In my experience, one can't let the level of payment mitigate risk. I have found that often the bigger the "ask" the bigger the fool shows up. So dudes need to do their DD regardless of the price and of course, follow the rules.

  9. #4781
    Quote Originally Posted by JTerry26  [View Original Post]
    The original post was cross posted on the 'burbs thread but I largely posted b / c there have been long standing complaints of the lack of women in the suburbs coupled with concerns around stings and LEO in KoP specifically.
    Taking a drive for 1/2 off in rates and more selection seems like a no brainer to me. Hell, a lot of people drive to DE just to avoid PA sales tax. LOL.

    Quote Originally Posted by JTerry26  [View Original Post]
    As far as how much someone is worth is a function of many variables. If you prioritize no hard drugs, no flaking out, no risk the date falls through, very little LEO risk and want to see someone who is young (24) and not some fat slob, there's a lot of value in this kind of provider. If you to just stick your dick in a dirty hole of some scabby, greasy streetwalker in the back of your car for $40 have at it. Not for me.
    I don't see the value in an average or above provider at $280 hhr. There are a lot of providers that meet the criteria you described at normal rates. There are risks in this hobby no matter what the rate is, thinking otherwise is nothing more than an illusion. Higher rates don't eliminate the need to weed out the bad providers. Streetwalkers are an entirely different beast so I don't know why you mentioned them. Unless you're suggesting there are only two alternatives in this hobby, overpriced providers or the worst streetwalker one can find.

  10. #4780

    Easy, fellas

    Quote Originally Posted by Frasier69  [View Original Post]
    WTF is wrong with people paying nearly 300 for a hhr. Even on the high side that's double the amount one should pay for a hhr.
    The original post was cross posted on the 'burbs thread but I largely posted b / c there have been long standing complaints of the lack of women in the suburbs coupled with concerns around stings and LEO in KoP specifically. So here's a real provider. What you do with that info is up to you.

    Her prices have escalated. I saw her mostly a year or more ago. I believe she is as $160 at the time. I've seen almost no escorts in the past year (SBs, strippers and AMPs mostly).

    As far as how much someone is worth is a function of many variables. If you prioritize no hard drugs, no flaking out, no risk the date falls through, very little LEO risk and want to see someone who is young (24) and not some fat slob, there's a lot of value in this kind of provider. If you to just stick your dick in a dirty hole of some scabby, greasy streetwalker in the back of your car for $40 have at it. Not for me.

  11. #4779
    Quote Originally Posted by JTerry26  [View Original Post]
    I believe hhr is $280. Check with her though.
    WTF is wrong with people paying nearly 300 for a hhr. Even on the high side that's double the amount one should pay for a hhr.

  12. #4778
    Quote Originally Posted by HeatBreak  [View Original Post]
    All covered too. Inflation. Get use to it. Lmao.
    Nah not me I'm not a desperate loser.

    I take my money to other countries and get better girls for 50 bucks.

  13. #4777
    Quote Originally Posted by HeatBreak  [View Original Post]
    All covered too. Inflation. Get use to it. Lmao.
    No! Not inflation! Just dudes who don't know how to or are unwilling to learn how to NEGOTIATE or walk away. Youse don't have to pay these prices and IF enough guys stood firm, the girls would back down. But no! Seems to be a crop that is learning the monger game and just forking over whatever ANY girl asks for.

    Shoot, last night I had a 1. 5 hour date with an Asian MILF SB type. No worse than the older gals at the AMPs, but paid much less than an AMP, just because I know how to play the game.

    Mongering is like any hobby. The amount of time and effort you put into it, increases your expertise. But if one thinks mongering is "easy" and avoids the learning steps they will part with much more of their money then they need to.

    These threads are a great place to ask "how to" questions and learn better ways to monger. But alas, no one wants their anonymous moniker to be "embarrassed" by asking questions that show they don't know. I mean HOW embarrassing is that?

    Don't get these GPS levels. For $160 one can go to most AMPs, get a rub and fucked. Up that to 200-250 and one can hit the truly 9 or 10 Asian girls for an hour. Why pay $280 for a hhr with an average looking girl?

  14. #4776
    Quote Originally Posted by Sacramento  [View Original Post]
    LMAO! 280 yall are desperate as shit.
    All covered too. Inflation. Get use to it. Lmao.

  15. #4775
    Quote Originally Posted by JTerry26  [View Original Post]
    I believe hhr is $280. Check with her though.
    LMAO! 280 yall are desperate as shit.

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