Stupid Shit In San Diego

[JayLake]

Just see independent providers and you will never have to worry about cops.

[Ryan1979]

I've been getting PM's saying locked doors / gates or monitors do nothing so I shared these stories.

Security gates don't stop undercover, but do stop police raids of which I've been present at more than I care to admit. On one police raid, several officers were at a locked gate yelling to open up, they were the police. I was actually in fuck heaven when we heard the commotion and a look at the monitors confirmed our fears. We had enough time to put our clothes back on and quickly hide or relocate any obvious evidence. I was frisked and had condoms and a large amount of cash, but there is no crime for that and the condoms were in their sealed packaging. On that particular encounter I was fortunate to be going at it bare, but if I had to, I'd swallow a condom. Hehe!

Different city, but one of my buddies was present at a spa police raid where there was no locking gate or monitors. So the police charged in, immediately opening all the doors and literally catching my homie with his pants down. He was arrested along with the girl. Jail, bail, divorce, disaster and all things feared by mongers encountering LE at a spa ensued.

Anyways, I'm sure you all can now understand my appreciation for locked gates and monitors after those incidents.

Cameras in the lobby, and locked doors won't stop LE if they want in, but it will give you a second to avoid being caught fully in the act which may be enough to keep you from being sited or arrested.

The best thing you can do if confronted with LE in a compromising position is to be cooperative and silent. And if you can muster it respectful. You have the right to be silent, arrested or not, be wise enough to exercise that right. Come across like an attorney and you'll find you have a fool for a client. As my Detective Uncle told me about being detained by a LEO, "do as you are told and keep your mouth shut". Which has proven to be very good advice for me.

If you want to "record" LE, just do it. When you are on the verge of being in trouble it's not wise to antagonize the guys who get to choose if you are going to be in trouble or not. I'd rather be quietly sitting in the lobby than cuffed and sitting in the back of a cruiser.

Sorry this unique situation fell on you, but thanks for sharing it with the forum.

[UtahLedgend2]

You shared and if they don't believe you it's fine. Let them find out for themselves!

When LE bursted into the room I was in with CiCi. The cops identified themselves and said everyone get dressed. Thereafter, I asked the prick officer if I was under arrest and if not, I would like to leave and if yes, I will exercise my right to remain silent. He told me to sit down as he was doing an investigation. I held up my cellphone and told him that I was recording everything so there would be no ambiguities. He turned around and yelled to the other officers that they were being recorded and yelled at me to put down my cellphone. That pissed them off and they put me against the wall, roughed me up, handcuffed me and put me in the patrol car. Eventually, one plain cloths officer told me he was from the SDPD and was investigating human trafficking. To gain spa access it is always the same party line, investigating claims of reported prostitution and human trafficking. Eventually, I was released and written a citation.

Several hours after that event I wrote a report here for the purpose of warning other members. Instead of thanks I got only skeptical replies. Fair enough as we are all anonymous handles with unknown motives. I have even offered to send a copy of my ticket to the RCDatyKing as he is a credible contributor here and I wanted to proof that the event actually occurred. While he says he believes me to this date I believe that he remains somewhat skeptical.

IMHO both a security door and locks on the room doors would have been a plus. From talking to the girls later that evening I can confirm that LE did check their credentials and asked them if they were being trafficked. They showed their credentials to work, told the cops they were independent worker and free to come and go as they please. I saw one other ticket that was being written and assume that it was to another customer. It amazes me to read the hear say accounts of this event that occurred that day from guys who are acting like they are in the know.

[MaximusKahn]

Cameras in the lobby, and locked doors won't stop LE if they want in, but it will give you a second to avoid being caught fully in the act which may be enough to keep you from being sited or arrested.

The best thing you can do if confronted with LE in a compromising position is to be cooperative and silent. And if you can muster it respectful. You have the right to be silent, arrested or not, be wise enough to exercise that right. Come across like an attorney and you'll find you have a fool for a client. As my Detective Uncle told me about being detained by a LEO, "do as you are told and keep your mouth shut". Which has proven to be very good advice for me.

If you want to "record" LE, just do it. When you are on the verge of being in trouble it's not wise to antagonize the guys who get to choose if you are going to be in trouble or not. I'd rather be quietly sitting in the lobby than cuffed and sitting in the back of a cruiser.

Sorry this unique situation fell on you, but thanks for sharing it with the forum.

When LE bursted into the room I was in with CiCi. The cops identified themselves and said everyone get dressed. Thereafter, I asked the prick officer if I was under arrest and if not, I would like to leave and if yes, I will exercise my right to remain silent. He told me to sit down as he was doing an investigation. I held up my cellphone and told him that I was recording everything so there would be no ambiguities. He turned around and yelled to the other officers that they were being recorded and yelled at me to put down my cellphone. That pissed them off and they put me against the wall, roughed me up, handcuffed me and put me in the patrol car. Eventually, one plain cloths officer told me he was from the SDPD and was investigating human trafficking. To gain spa access it is always the same party line, investigating claims of reported prostitution and human trafficking. Eventually, I was released and written a citation.

Several hours after that event I wrote a report here for the purpose of warning other members. Instead of thanks I got only skeptical replies. Fair enough as we are all anonymous handles with unknown motives. I have even offered to send a copy of my ticket to the RCDatyKing as he is a credible contributor here and I wanted to proof that the event actually occurred. While he says he believes me to this date I believe that he remains somewhat skeptical.

IMHO both a security door and locks on the room doors would have been a plus. From talking to the girls later that evening I can confirm that LE did check their credentials and asked them if they were being trafficked. They showed their credentials to work, told the cops they were independent worker and free to come and go as they please. I saw one other ticket that was being written and assume that it was to another customer. It amazes me to read the hear say accounts of this event that occurred that day from guys who are acting like they are in the know.

[DeeeezNutss]

Yeah she is surely addicting. Guess this gives us time to save up / recoup until they return. As well as gives her time to rest from all us mongers that she saw. Can't imagine on how many she sees in a day but still keeps a beautiful smile.

I'm right there with you fellas. Mina has become my ATF of all time LOL. I see her at least twice a week (have seen her about 20 times now) and we've struck up a nice little friendship where we stay in touch and communicate between sessions. We'll be alright though guys, as she plans to return in March. If I get a specific date I'll be sure to share it here. She also told me she believes Lisa will be returning in March as well! Mina is definitely my ATF, and I would say Lisa is my second ATF. Having these two amazing superstars is what set this place apart from the rest, as they're both truly special providers. It will be interesting to see how they'll fare without these two for the next month or so. Wouldn't surprise me, if business slows, to see them called back up sooner. Just saying.

Mr MuffMan.

[Mr MuffMan]

Just saw Mina today and as always, such an amazing session. Is it bad that I'm going to be sad and heartbroken when she leaves VIP / SD? Have I fallen? LMAO. For reals though, Mina has been the best I've seen at an AMP, don't know if I'll find another unless you guys have suggestions??

Mina is definitely First Class. Her beauty, sensuality, mannerisms. And of course her kisses are so inviting.

I think there will be many heartbroken mongers when she leaves. We only hope she stays longer or makes more debut visits.

I'm right there with you fellas. Mina has become my ATF of all time LOL. I see her at least twice a week (have seen her about 20 times now) and we've struck up a nice little friendship where we stay in touch and communicate between sessions. We'll be alright though guys, as she plans to return in March. If I get a specific date I'll be sure to share it here. She also told me she believes Lisa will be returning in March as well! Mina is definitely my ATF, and I would say Lisa is my second ATF. Having these two amazing superstars is what set this place apart from the rest, as they're both truly special providers. It will be interesting to see how they'll fare without these two for the next month or so. Wouldn't surprise me, if business slows, to see them called back up sooner. Just saying.

Mr MuffMan.

[DeeeezNutss]

Totally agree with you RChangDatyKing! Her services are pretty up there with the Independent ladies besides the fact that's in an AMP with a massage table instead of a nice bed. She should go solo!

Mina is definitely First Class. Her beauty, sensuality, mannerisms. And of course her kisses are so inviting.

I think there will be many heartbroken mongers when she leaves. We only hope she stays longer or makes more debut visits.

[RChangDatyKing]

Just saw Mina today and as always, such an amazing session. Is it bad that I'm going to be sad and heartbroken when she leaves VIP / SD? Have I fallen? LMAO. For reals though, Mina has been the best I've seen at an AMP, don't know if I'll find another unless you guys have suggestions??

Mina is definitely First Class. Her beauty, sensuality, mannerisms. And of course her kisses are so inviting.

I think there will be many heartbroken mongers when she leaves. We only hope she stays longer or makes more debut visits.

[DeeeezNutss]

Just saw Mina today and as always, such an amazing session. Is it bad that I'm going to be sad and heartbroken when she leaves VIP / SD? Have I fallen? LMAO. For reals though, Mina has been the best I've seen at an AMP, don't know if I'll find another unless you guys have suggestions??

[RChangDatyKing]

When LE bursted into the room I was in with CiCi. The cops identified themselves and said everyone get dressed. Thereafter, I asked the prick officer if I was under arrest and if not, I would like to leave and if yes, I will exercise my right to remain silent. He told me to sit down as he was doing an investigation. I held up my cellphone and told him that I was recording everything so there would be no ambiguities. He turned around and yelled to the other officers that they were being recorded and yelled at me to put down my cellphone. That pissed them off and they put me against the wall, roughed me up, handcuffed me and put me in the patrol car. Eventually, one plain cloths officer told me he was from the SDPD and was investigating human trafficking. To gain spa access it is always the same party line, investigating claims of reported prostitution and human trafficking. Eventually, I was released and written a citation.

Several hours after that event I wrote a report here for the purpose of warning other members. Instead of thanks I got only skeptical replies. Fair enough as we are all anonymous handles with unknown motives. I have even offered to send a copy of my ticket to the RCDatyKing as he is a credible contributor here and I wanted to proof that the event actually occurred. While he says he believes me to this date I believe that he remains somewhat skeptical.

IMHO both a security door and locks on the room doors would have been a plus. From talking to the girls later that evening I can confirm that LE did check their credentials and asked them if they were being trafficked. They showed their credentials to work, told the cops they were independent worker and free to come and go as they please. I saw one other ticket that was being written and assume that it was to another customer. It amazes me to read the hear say accounts of this event that occurred that day from guys who are acting like they are in the know.

Hey ZReel! Yes, I was skeptical at first because your initial post was vague. Ive just never heard of customers being cited before, as I’ve been at spas many times when LEO make their visits and Im simply told to wait in the room or leave. After some PM exchanges with you I believed you were cited. I declined having you send me a copy of the citation because it's your "story" and accounts of the event to tell.

Just like what you stated- I don't want to post wrong information and think I'm one of those guys acting I'm in the know of what occurred that day.

[Ryan1979]

I'm fully aware of the girls the spas and girls that were ticketed that you mention. Note that I didn't bring up the VIP LE issue though I was also aware from the WeChat chatter amongst these girls. I'm simply commenting after the fact for their benefit as well as us mongers. I've also been present during an LE raid, more times than I care to admit, being told to simply wait in the room and that I wasn't in trouble.

Also note that after the VIP LE story went public, several well known spas now have the monitors in all their rooms. A little extra peace of mind for me and as I've mentioned before, fun to be had with the girls at the John's expense.

I've PM'd you additional details[Deleted by Admin].

My opinion with AMPs and security.

I agree with you that LEO don't usually target Johns when they visit massage parlors. Of course if they see you doing the deed that will / may be a different story. I don't know the circumstances of why the 2 guys were cited at VIP and I'm not going to make guesses or assumptions what the reasons were. But in my almost 15 plus years of mongering and 10 plus at AMPs; I've been there when many AMPs were visited by police and I was either told to stay in the room, or I can leave.

[Ryan1979]

My understanding is the ladies had their credentials checked and all of them had licenses, so there was no violations this last visit, so no strike (if that is even a thing). Those security doors do nothing to dissuade LE from doing what they want to do when they show up. Are you hoping you can pull-out and get dressed before they make it through the door is that it? You think it would save your ass if you did. The last two gentleman got tickets and were fully dressed, one in the lobby.

First of all, I'm all about supporting these spas and these working girls. I have great VIP stories to share as well, but in case you didn't notice, there are many fans of VIP writing short novels that pretty much sum up the awesomeness of the girls that work here. At least when they initially opened. Now recent reports makes them sound like they're settling into their groove, but still without a doubt one of the top AMPs in the San Diego area.

Your understanding of the LE visit is correct and I'm not arguing those facts. I'm pointing out the fact that this is the first spa I've heard of where the girls weren't ticketed for anything, but the John's were. If LE wanted to, there are plenty of violations they could find. The girls dress and spa ordinances in accordance with the city spa license are rules anyone can look up and that other spas have been ticketed for. You may be correct that the John's were ticketed so no additional strikes against this spa. Good point!

Like locking your car or house, it's not going to stop a determined thief, but a few obstacles will sway most LE to look for easier targets and at the very least slow them down and give warning to those whom maybe in precarious positions. Anyways, it's fun to watch the monitors and make fun of the John's coming in which is what I enjoy doing with the girls.

Good on you for defending this spa. I'm sure it's good for some brownie points with the ladies that work here.

[ZReelman]

When LE bursted into the room I was in with CiCi. The cops identified themselves and said everyone get dressed. Thereafter, I asked the prick officer if I was under arrest and if not, I would like to leave and if yes, I will exercise my right to remain silent. He told me to sit down as he was doing an investigation. I held up my cellphone and told him that I was recording everything so there would be no ambiguities. He turned around and yelled to the other officers that they were being recorded and yelled at me to put down my cellphone. That pissed them off and they put me against the wall, roughed me up, handcuffed me and put me in the patrol car. Eventually, one plain cloths officer told me he was from the SDPD and was investigating human trafficking. To gain spa access it is always the same party line, investigating claims of reported prostitution and human trafficking. Eventually, I was released and written a citation.

Several hours after that event I wrote a report here for the purpose of warning other members. Instead of thanks I got only skeptical replies. Fair enough as we are all anonymous handles with unknown motives. I have even offered to send a copy of my ticket to the RCDatyKing as he is a credible contributor here and I wanted to proof that the event actually occurred. While he says he believes me to this date I believe that he remains somewhat skeptical.

IMHO both a security door and locks on the room doors would have been a plus. From talking to the girls later that evening I can confirm that LE did check their credentials and asked them if they were being trafficked. They showed their credentials to work, told the cops they were independent worker and free to come and go as they please. I saw one other ticket that was being written and assume that it was to another customer. It amazes me to read the hear say accounts of this event that occurred that day from guys who are acting like they are in the know.

[TitanTool]

Like many of you boys, I've experienced the charms of most of the lady's at VIP. All Asian beauties that speak English and provide a GFE if not more, especially when they first opened. Stories of police visits don't normally deter me from any spas as they usually target the spa and girls as opposed to the John's, but in the case of the last police visit to VIP a couple of John's were ticketed under a volition code that is as broad as it is vague. Regardless what their court appearance verdict is, it's not something any of us want to deal with.

Their efforts to mitigate the damage are apparent on multiple forums, some clearly identifying themselves and some clearly shill reports, mostly from newly created members on the forums. I can't say I blame them and it's a testament to their understanding of the English language and their knowledge of the forums.

It's my understanding that VIP was busted before the current owners stepped in. I'm not sure how Spring Valley ordinances work, but in San Diego there's a 3-strike rule for spas that are ticketed (spa or girls) 3 x are mandatorily closed. I'm also not sure if this is per owner or per spa license, but VIP kept the spas name so I'm "assuming" the license was transferred to the new owners. The license is generally part of the key costs when acquiring a spa, because it saves the new owners the hassles of applying for the business license and other city requirements associated with a massage business. Eg Registering with the police department. That said, they may now have 2-strikes at the SV location.

My advice to VIP is to install a locked foyer at all their locations and cameras with monitors viewable from all their rooms. In the grand scheme of things, it's a minimal investment and will make them and their guests feel safer.

My understanding is the ladies had their credentials checked and all of them had licenses, so there was no violations this last visit, so no strike (if that is even a thing). Those security doors do nothing to dissuade LE from doing what they want to do when they show up. Are you hoping you can pull-out and get dressed before they make it through the door is that it? You think it would save your ass if you did. The last two gentleman got tickets and were fully dressed, one in the lobby.

[Ryan1979]

Try not to take this the wrong way, but based on your suggestion, I have trouble believing you've visited these establishments. I mean, I have and they already have what you've suggested. Just sayin.

No worries Doc, I have not been there since the last police visit so this is good to hear. 108 and smile have also recently implemented similar.