"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Zerry]

I'm pretty sure they will flag PPM or the full words if they appear in a message. Might not get you the first time.

But again, what idiots are having discussions of financial terms in app? You either get banned for solicitation because you actually did, or some whack job took offense to your lowball offer or how you replied to her GPS ask. Again, you only get in TOS trouble when you have financial discussions in app.

If you don't have the finesse to get them onto text or some offline convo, then you probably should stick with pros.

I am the idiot. I do do it and haven't had an issue with it for over a year.

[Zerry]

As a long time observer of SA, there have Been SUBSTANTIAL changes in the site and the way it operates as a result of the passage of FOSTA / SESTA. Making the site appear innocuous or making it defensible from promoting prostitution charges is likely TOP priority for SA. When BP was shut down it was generating $100 MM in annual revenues. Brandon Wade is certainly spending a large chunk of change to defend his cashcow and thinking otherwise isn't a match for the realities observed and the steps any prudent business person would take.

I talk PPM and $$ in messages and my account has been up for over a year. I AM selective about who I do it with, but don't take my word for, it's not hard to see that the women who are bringing it up first are not getting banned either.

Maintaining plausible deniability is probably a big part of Wades defense strategy, which is much easier to do if SA isn't actively monitoring messages. If you've ever reported an account you'll notice it asks for screen shots. Something they wouldn't need if they were already to the messages. There is also a difference in spending on IT and spending on legal services.

You do you though. Some hooker.

[VAvet]

https://members.seeking.com/member/4...d-2bdcee3bc0a2 anyone had the opportunity.

Yes. Hosts out of an apartment near VCU that is perfectly safe. Nice girl, much thicker than her pictures when I saw her so likely will not repeat. If I recall damage was reasonable and she is fun, just not my type.

[BobLobLa]

https://members.seeking.com/member/3...2-91086ebb9a28 -- verified IRL. Has a friend who brags about how great her SD is, so she signed up. NOT one to head to the hotel after M&G, but seems worth the effort.

https://members.seeking.com/member/9...7-5aad1a2d498e - looks just as good behind the phone, but definitely a slow roll to get a M&G.

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...b-eecf2c7920c6 - minimal engagement but was DTF early on in the convo. No discussion of Bill of Fare yet.

[Shampoo55]

If you've been banned its because you were reported, or there is something on your profile page. Neither MODs nor bots read messages. Really think about what SA is and how much resources are put into it, they are not spending a penny they don't have to.

As a long time observer of SA, there have Been SUBSTANTIAL changes in the site and the way it operates as a result of the passage of FOSTA / SESTA. Making the site appear innocuous or making it defensible from promoting prostitution charges is likely TOP priority for SA. When BP was shut down it was generating $100 MM in annual revenues. Brandon Wade is certainly spending a large chunk of change to defend his cashcow and thinking otherwise isn't a match for the realities observed and the steps any prudent business person would take.

[Shampoo55]

I have had experience on all three but SA is the only one that works reliably for me. I also find that the most of the profiles that interest me are cross-posted on SA meaning I am not missing chances. For me the big issue is wasting money. On SA, I pay one (large) payment and can approach as many people as I choose. Granted, a substantial number are or might be scammers, bots or predators but I am pretty good now at detecting them. Also, on SA all they can do is a waste a bit of my time. On both SB and WYP, I have to buy credits and then spend them opening communication with interesting profiles. Too many of those profiles are scammers, predators or bots. I have successfully reclaimed credits on WTP multiple times but it is a PITA and huge hassle. In any case, the vast majority of credits you spend are going to be totally wasted. That drives ME nuts. There are guys who claim they have methods that allow them to narrow their focus to mostly real people but it must have taken them a lot of wasted credits to acquire that ability. For them, it is possible they actually spend less than the increasingly mounting expense on Seeking. However, that would not be true for me and would not be true for you initially. Assuming you have the coin to play in the sugar bowl, you might spend a few hundred on each site sequentially and then report your experience. Yours is a perennial question and we would benefit from hearing a recent report on your experience.

BAM.

Excellent summary Bam!

I'll add- look at SB & WYP from a business perspective. They sell credits. What are their motivations? To get you to buy credits and then more credits. Where is the disincentive to avoid bot generated profiles, scammers and fakes when those cause guys to spend credits?

WYP is for simps. Who pays a girl $200 to meet and eat & drink on their tab? VERY explicit warnings on the WYP site that "sex is not to be expected" on a date. Girls see that and think they can go out to dinner, avoid crappy dorm food or TV dinners and make extra cash in a "respectable" fashion. The fact that some simps fall for this is proved out when WYP girls try to matriculate to SA. Not to say there aren't a fair number of simps on SA willing to give away their money for any contact with women. I wasted $ on WYP and never got a single date, where as SA has been prolific from a FC perspective.

But hey, some learn through experiences, so why take the word of some Anon posters here? Drop $100 at each site, put in the time and work and then report back your experiences. "Experiential learning" will surely be the definitive answer; opinions, biases and different values al filtered out.

[SBmidlo]

https://members.seeking.com/member/4...d-2bdcee3bc0a2 anyone had the opportunity.

See post #20592 for a review from a few of months ago. Not from me but from someone else. General consensus is she is much heavier than her posted pics.

[Cowboy1964]

https://members.seeking.com/member/4...d-2bdcee3bc0a2 anyone had the opportunity.

[BamBam]

I have had experience on all three but SA is the only one that works reliably for me. I also find that the most of the profiles that interest me are cross-posted on SA meaning I am not missing chances. For me the big issue is wasting money. On SA, I pay one (large) payment and can approach as many people as I choose. Granted, a substantial number are or might be scammers, bots or predators but I am pretty good now at detecting them. Also, on SA all they can do is a waste a bit of my time. On both SB and WYP, I have to buy credits and then spend them opening communication with interesting profiles. Too many of those profiles are scammers, predators or bots. I have successfully reclaimed credits on WTP multiple times but it is a PITA and huge hassle. In any case, the vast majority of credits you spend are going to be totally wasted. That drives ME nuts. There are guys who claim they have methods that allow them to narrow their focus to mostly real people but it must have taken them a lot of wasted credits to acquire that ability. For them, it is possible they actually spend less than the increasingly mounting expense on Seeking. However, that would not be true for me and would not be true for you initially. Assuming you have the coin to play in the sugar bowl, you might spend a few hundred on each site sequentially and then report your experience. Yours is a perennial question and we would benefit from hearing a recent report on your experience.

BAM.

There is a lot to read on pros and cons of SA. In the past there were reports that didn't make SB a better choice. Recently I came across WYP which had a different spin on fixing a date. Online review doesn't make it look very promising. Can anyone share their experience in RVA with WYP?

[DoneThatOnce]

There is a lot to read on pros and cons of SA. In the past there were reports that didn't make SB a better choice. Recently I came across WYP which had a different spin on fixing a date. Online review doesn't make it look very promising. Can anyone share their experience in RVA with WYP?

I found 2 groups on there. Those that have fun by getting paid for dinner out at $ a date and never do anymore. Then there's those that counter at $$ to $$$ and you get dinner and FS. More of the former are on there in my experience. Best bet are ones that have been around for years and are on both SA and WYP and know what the end game is.

[BobLobLa]

Neither MODs nor bots read messages. Really think about what SA is and how much resources are put into it, they are not spending a penny they don't have to.

I'm pretty sure they will flag PPM or the full words if they appear in a message. Might not get you the first time.

But again, what idiots are having discussions of financial terms in app? You either get banned for solicitation because you actually did, or some whack job took offense to your lowball offer or how you replied to her GPS ask. Again, you only get in TOS trouble when you have financial discussions in app.

If you don't have the finesse to get them onto text or some offline convo, then you probably should stick with pros.

[Zerry]

So, what do you think, the moderators are SA, who are so sensitive they ban people who say one word wrong, can't tell what 'roses' are a euphemism for? IDK that this ever worked for mongers worrying about communications w / BP girls who might actually be LE posing as girls in a sting.

If you want to have the $ convo, take it off the website, where the SA moderators can't see. Otherwise, you're going to get banned, and then come crying back here because you can't figure out how they know it is you and ban you again when you try to get a new profile. It is *truly* a PITA to get back on if your profile is banned.

IDK that your experience reflects that of many long-time experienced SDs.

If you've been banned its because you were reported, or there is something on your profile page. Neither MODs nor bots read messages. Really think about what SA is and how much resources are put into it, they are not spending a penny they don't have to.

[Phaedrus2004]

There is a lot to read on pros and cons of SA. In the past there were reports that didn't make SB a better choice. Recently I came across WYP which had a different spin on fixing a date. Online review doesn't make it look very promising. Can anyone share their experience in RVA with WYP?

[FarFarAway]

90% of the guys on SA are PPM because you would have to be an idiot to give a girl a month's worth of money up front. I also want to see if they suck in bed before I start to pay their monthly bills. There are ways around saying an exact amount. There are ways to talk about allowance without using the letters PPM. You can use a range or talk about roses. You can say, "Would you like 4 or 6 roses when we meet up today?" Or. "I gave my last SB 5 roses everytime we got together. Does that work for you?

The girls are getting hundreds of messages a day. That's why they get overwhelmed and disappear so quickly. They're not giving their number out to hundreds of guys on the Internet just to find out what the allowance is and they're definitely not going to meet up with us unless they know what we're offering. I know that I'm not going to go out in the freezing cold to meet up with some chick unless I know what the allowance is beforehand. I'm not wasting my time and money to meet up with someone just to find out that she wants $2000 per meet.

So, what do you think, the moderators are SA, who are so sensitive they ban people who say one word wrong, can't tell what 'roses' are a euphemism for? IDK that this ever worked for mongers worrying about communications w / BP girls who might actually be LE posing as girls in a sting.

If you want to have the $ convo, take it off the website, where the SA moderators can't see. Otherwise, you're going to get banned, and then come crying back here because you can't figure out how they know it is you and ban you again when you try to get a new profile. It is *truly* a PITA to get back on if your profile is banned.

IDK that your experience reflects that of many long-time experienced SDs.

[VetSD]

The whole concept is essentially PPM, but you shouldn't use that terminology -- or tolerate those that do in their communication with you. If you do, its only a matter of time before you get banned.

Bimbo: "Whats your PPM?

$hitless Sherlock: "$300".

SA -- Sherlock banned for solicitation.

Bimbo: "Whats kind of allowance do you offer?

$hitless Sherlock: "$300 ppm".

SA -- Sherlock banned for solicitation.

$hitless Sherlock: "What are your allowance exceptions".

Bimbo: "$500 PPM?

$hitless Sherlock: "My max is $300".

SA -- Sherlock banned for solicitation.

Try it, and see who is right.

90% of the guys on SA are PPM because you would have to be an idiot to give a girl a month's worth of money up front. I also want to see if they suck in bed before I start to pay their monthly bills. There are ways around saying an exact amount. There are ways to talk about allowance without using the letters PPM. You can use a range or talk about roses. You can say, "Would you like 4 or 6 roses when we meet up today?" Or. "I gave my last SB 5 roses everytime we got together. Does that work for you?

The girls are getting hundreds of messages a day. That's why they get overwhelmed and disappear so quickly. They're not giving their number out to hundreds of guys on the Internet just to find out what the allowance is and they're definitely not going to meet up with us unless they know what we're offering. I know that I'm not going to go out in the freezing cold to meet up with some chick unless I know what the allowance is beforehand. I'm not wasting my time and money to meet up with someone just to find out that she wants $2000 per meet.