Rants Raves and Stupid Shit in Seattle.

[DrtyHarry]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't it also a felony to transport a provider to her dates? Could be as simple as a provider asking, "hey, can you give me a ride to somewhere?" after you both finish your time together. You agree, not knowing why she's going there, and then something happens and suddenly you're on the hook.

I'm trying to remember, but I think this happened to someone on TNA a long time ago if i'm not mistaken. TNA provider asked one of her goofball regulars to bring her to a casino so she could work the floor for dates while he played slots and had free drinks. Then security caught her because she was well-known to them for trolling the floor for dates. They called the police, who took her into a room and she gave-up the guy as her driver pretty much immediately. They let her go because for her it was only a misdemeanor and she bailed, but they came out and got him because driving her there while with the intent to solicit and "work" was a felony. She gave him up to save her own ass and he was nice enough to bring the w***e to the casino in the first place, LOL. I'm not really on TNA much but I do seem to recall that rather dramatic post some time ago. And from what I recall the weirdo was on TNA defending her actions in that post.

Just rumors and hearsay.

Remove posts without evidence.

This is an open forum. People are free to post as long as they conform to the forum guidelines. Only the mods decide what posts should be removed. If it irks you in anyway, feel free not to scroll to the next one, but trying to censor what is not interesting to you or what meets your criteria of "useful" seems vague and random.

[Street Troller]

All of that is valid for sure, but one thing to note is that the stroll up here in Seattle has changed quite a bit starting in 2020. A lot of the local girls were moved-off of the stroll because the city was concerned about a massive COVID out-break among the street population. Almost all of them were put on programs and sheltered in some rather nice hotel rooms around King County. I hardly ever see the long-time Aurora regulars out there anymore. That left a vacuum for crews of girls from Las Vegas and Southern California to move-in, and move-in they did. The vast majority of these new girls don't seem to be using hard-drugs. Doesn't seem to be a part of the pimp culture, they want girls who are clean and look nice. Addicts are hard to manage. As a result, I just never really worry about any of these girls planting a bag of fentayl in my vehicle.

One thing a lot of these new girls have told me is that they like working Seattle because the attitude toward sex workers is changing up here. One girl told me that she can barely work on the stroll in Vegas because she's so well-known and undercovers are out there chasing her around all the time. Just not the case up here at present time. During our recent race for city attorney we had a candidate who wanted to de-criminalize sex work. This is one reason why girls like it here. The police union didn't like her and called her an anarchist, and with all of the homelessness and such residents reacted negatively to that approach. So, back to enforcement we'll go, as if that will do anything, LOL. So at some point I think that stings and such will begin to happen again, but who knows when. Since enforcement has been so lax in the past couple of years the girls have all of the guys trained to talk at the window. Once the undercover decoys show-up again that could be disastrous for new guys who learned the stroll since 2020. I guess we'll see what happens.

Regarding car dates, I haven't had a car date in well-over a year. Most of the girls out there now have rooms nearby and prefer to go there instead.

I would never pick up a SW way too much can go wrong. She could have drugs and plant them in your car if you get stopped that's on you. Car dates are a no no for me as well. If you get caught in the act you just elevated it to lewd public conduct which is much more serious. Could be a set up for a rob as well. Not to mention could be a cop you are talking to through the window. I would imagine there are unmarked police cars around the area so even if it "looks clear". Even if there is "NO DEAL" police could attempt to charge you with "Intent to commit the act of engaging in prostitution". If you have no business to be in the area.

[Lee Groinman]

So for the past few weeks, I've been flagging ads on TNA, from very obvious and open, trans providers that advertise in main section and lists themselves as female. I've been flagging them just to see if the MODs reply to me, or ban me, or whatever. So far nothing, so I'm really not sure if they have a policy or even give a shit. So I decided to send a PM to a couple of the providers politely asking them to post in the LGBT section. Holy shit, I got two pages of berating in reply back saying I'm trans phobic, an asshole, and worse.

I decided to just go through and block them all. No dis on those that are looking for that service, I just prefer not to waste my time sifting through trans ads to find what I'm looking for.

Any ones in particular? There don't seem to be a lot of ads for TS and from what I recall from looking at the ads listing, most of them say TS in the ad title. But I may be wrong. Also, they're not going to do anything and there is no LGBT Section. Did you see a provider that turned out to be trans?

[GinVermo]

So for the past few weeks, I've been flagging ads on TNA, from very obvious and open, trans providers that advertise in main section and lists themselves as female. I've been flagging them just to see if the MODs reply to me, or ban me, or whatever. So far nothing, so I'm really not sure if they have a policy or even give a shit. So I decided to send a PM to a couple of the providers politely asking them to post in the LGBT section. Holy shit, I got two pages of berating in reply back saying I'm trans phobic, an asshole, and worse.

I decided to just go through and block them all. No dis on those that are looking for that service, I just prefer not to waste my time sifting through trans ads to find what I'm looking for.

It makes no difference what clients do, think or say over there. We are wrong. Just wrong, always and forever.

No damned good at all, however correct and / or polite we might be. That place is just SICK.

[Sugar Daddy PDX]

Finally, before you jump all over my shit, asking whether I think a hypothetical, trans woman sex worker (on hormones, developed breasts, but still rocking a penis) should divulge her status in her ads, my answer is yes. If we're engaging in intercourse, it matters to me. It probably matters to many of her prospective other clients, too.

So for the past few weeks, I've been flagging ads on TNA, from very obvious and open, trans providers that advertise in main section and lists themselves as female. I've been flagging them just to see if the MODs reply to me, or ban me, or whatever. So far nothing, so I'm really not sure if they have a policy or even give a shit. So I decided to send a PM to a couple of the providers politely asking them to post in the LGBT section. Holy shit, I got two pages of berating in reply back saying I'm trans phobic, an asshole, and worse.

I decided to just go through and block them all. No dis on those that are looking for that service, I just prefer not to waste my time sifting through trans ads to find what I'm looking for.

[Original703]

I've had almost zero interest in trying to get laid, pretty much throughout this pandemic.

My interest has declined. It's still there, along with occasional pockets of horniness, but not what it used to be. When I think about all of the effort required to set up a pay-to-play or even a civi date, I'm more likely (now) to stay in for the evening, watch porn, masturbate, wash hands, prepare and enjoy a good meal, drink some wine, and stream a movie or show.

[Dicdic]

I dig hanging out with girls who either have or don't have tattoos. That being said, there are several tattoos that are automatic turn-offs for me and I usually decide not to see a girl who has:

1. The gun tattoo that's placed to look like it's stuck in her waistband or in a garter on her thigh.

2. The "claw paws" - usually placed on her cleavage or on her thigh.

3. The crown. Like she's a princess.

Do any of you guys react negatively to chicks who have certain tattoos?

When I was younger I loved tattoos because of the novelty now I prefer no tattoos because of the rarity.

[Capitol]

Honestly, I haven't been out in quite a while now. I think my last date was about a year ago.

I'm not really worried about the pandemic or anything, I'm just so sick of bullshit, and I kind of feel like I got what I was after already. Some of the girls on the stroll will approach me while I'm working sometimes, and I'm polite with them while I decline, but internally I'm just thinking, "How long until you go away?" I look at STG now and then, but I find myself just looking for girls that I've met before and wondering about how they're doing more than thinking about going to see them.

There are a couple of them on STG that I'd like to check out, but I just have the feeling that it would end up being more hassle and wasted money.

I don't know what the deal is. It's not like I want to retire or anything; when it comes down to it, I just don't feel it anymore.

[MartyByrde]

I've had almost zero interest in trying to get laid

Not me. I still have strong sexual desires. The main problems are 1) not being able to find any reliable women, 2) not being able to find a good woman who will provide most of the services I want (including BBBJ), and 3) the ridiculous donations these women are charging. I can say that I could be attracted to the gals at KAngels (I like Korean women), but I cannot justify paying $450 for the hour, even though I can get all I want. Even if any of those women were independent, the requested donations are just too high.

As it is, it's been over 2 years since I have been to an In Call and had a good woman. And the donation was only $220 for the hour. I sure miss those days.

[Street Troller]

I've had almost zero interest in trying to get laid, pretty much throughout this pandemic. I was out all the time, picking-up girls, cruising for girls online, contacting regulars up until about August of 2020. I've noticed that in 2020 the stroll on AA really began to change, local girls were whisked-away and replaced by bands of traveling girls from southern California. Finding girls on sites such as Skip the Games and other sites has been a struggle. I think about going out and cruising or contacting someone and then I easily change my mind. I don't think I've ever been less-motivated to get laid at any point of my life. I used to be out there every weekend, but no more. I couldn't tell you the names of any of the girls out there much less any of their service offerings and rates.

I've replaced these activities by staying home and trading crypto and Forex. I've always been somewhat involved in these markets, but never really did it to the extent that I'm doing it now. So instead of spending money on so-so service. Which is generally what I've seen with the new California girls out there, I'm staying home and making money. Now I get really excited about the prospect of entering a good trade rather than entering a hot chick. My life is much more boring, but I can't be bothered with getting laid these days.

Really odd how my life has suddenly changed. I used to be out there all the time, but now I can't be bothered. I'm not sure if it's my attitude, my age or complacency.

How are the rest of you fairing?

[DrtyHarry]

Oh, and while I'm on my soapbox, let's not put quotes around the words "women" and "men". To be sure, it's convenient shorthand, implying that there are real women who possess stereotypical feminine qualities and real men who possess stereotypical masculine qualities, but also suggesting that not all men and women are real in their gender identity. That kind of reductive narrative does us all a disservice. Let's acknowledge that the world is far more complicated with gradations exceeding our limited vision and desire for binary options.

I usually do not post to threads like these that usually result in a lot of back and forth. But I do use the "women" thing when talking. In fact I did that in my post below. You seem to be judging actions / words of people without understanding. Just because someone puts something in inverted commas it does not in anyway imply that they are opposing or against anything. My mantra in life. Just found your post very unnecessary as this whole discussion "so far" was very civil, no where in any post was it mentioned that was a "bad" or a "good" thing. It simply stated that we as hobbyists would have liked to know that before we slept with them and that these are people who are allegedly hiding that fact. You seem to have taken the conversation in a completely different direction.

[Original703]

Whatever you got to tell yourself. You can certainly believe it. You cannot guarantee it.

Like I said: nothing wrong with being trans. But a lot of guys are banging man-made pussies. Surgery has come a long way.

All right, mongers, to each their own: you puts down your hard-earned cash and you hopes you gets what you want.

Buuuut, if you think you can determine birth gender based on a mannerism or a smell or a look or anything else, well, good luck with that: it's hardly foolproof. Unless you're karyotyping, you can't be sure whether the person was Assigned Female At Birth or Assigned Male At Birth. And even then, analyzing the pair of sex chromosomes--most people have an XX pair (AFAB) or an XY pair (AMAB) --you're only identifying whether the person was assigned female or male at birth, respectively. From that microscopic analysis, you can't establish their gender identity nor whether they've undergone gender confirmation surgery.

Like Aussie said, "There's nothing wrong with being trans or a trans SW. " Now let's fucking amplify that 100 fold. If you're transgender, you're going to' have a tough time of it. The world is not going to be kind to you. And I'm here to say, hey, I've got your back. I'm a cis male with all of the associated privileges. The least I can do is publicly support you by honoring your pronouns and denouncing transphobic rhetoric.

Oh, and while I'm on my soapbox, let's not put quotes around the words "women" and "men". To be sure, it's convenient shorthand, implying that there are real women who possess stereotypical feminine qualities and real men who possess stereotypical masculine qualities, but also suggesting that not all men and women are real in their gender identity. That kind of reductive narrative does us all a disservice. Let's acknowledge that the world is far more complicated with gradations exceeding our limited vision and desire for binary options.

Finally, before you jump all over my shit, asking whether I think a hypothetical, trans woman sex worker (on hormones, developed breasts, but still rocking a penis) should divulge her status in her ads, my answer is yes. If we're engaging in intercourse, it matters to me. It probably matters to many of her prospective other clients, too.

P.S. Occasionally, there are autosome and chromosome abnormalities. A person can be born with an extra sex chromosome: some people have XXY chromosomes and some have XYY chromosomes. This shit is nuanced and tricky. Let's leave ourselves some room to evolve and develop.

[Twister100]

At the Garden of Eden, Alisa went by Naturelle, LOL. I never booked her, but was close to, because she looked like a redhead on that site.

LOL, she must have been pretty good when younger, as we have seven confirmed times that a guy has stuck his dingaling into her.

I read some of those links about her, and doing the math, it seems like Alisa isn't even 40 yet. But, look at how shitty she looks now. She doesn't even look like she's an addict or drugged out.

How did she get so ugly, so quickly, LOL.

That's incorrect. The Alisa was not Naturelle. Naturelle's real first name is similar to Alisa and her last name was not Bernard. Naturelle was also in public eye talking about her experiences with addiction and providing but her story was more about turning her life around and doing something positive afterwards.

[Anonymous420]

https://thistlefarms.org/blogs/alisa...s-long-overdue

https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion...-long-overdue/

Check out this article written by Alisa Bernard, where she cheers that TRB was shut down.

This is the same Alisa, who after burning so many bridges within the industry (with Maya of Garden of Eden, and Alex of Elliott Bay, for example), went on to work semi-independently, and worked with one other girl, with Alisa calling herself "Kenzi," in that incarnation of herself. Nobody forced her to advertise herself in TRB. She made SOME money as a result of TRB, even as Kenzi. And now she's cheering it's shutdown. Very hypocritical.

Honestly, I think that as Alisa grew older and less attractive, and younger prettier girls were getting more business than her, she became jealous and resentful.

Even though Rachel of Seattle was older, and past her prime in 2005 or so, she was still sexy and fun. She had me for an incall at her house over in the Eastside. I don't think Rachel ever felt exploited. Well into her 30's, Rachel was her own person, knew what she was doing, and benefited from TRB.

I think that, because of her own actions, the benefits of TRB dried up for Alisa, and she began to get jealous and resentful.

Clearly, Alisa wants to get USG and TNA shut down.

After reading the articles it seems to me that she was more upset that people were talking about services rendered than anything else, equating poor reviews or information shared about servcies offered as violence. I guess I don't get it.

I can understand that being forced in to prostituion by pimps is a bad thing. If someone chooses to do sex work on their own accord, that's really on them. I can understand if someone has regrets, especially if they did it to fund their drug habits. No one was forcing anything that I could glean from the articles.

I understand having regrets, but it seems like the author is projecting their own self-loathing on to other people and blaming them instead of themselves.

[Jason Durkee]

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I want these terms more clearly defined, when we're talking about the context of USG.

Fuck you

A2