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  1. #8914

    Is Jenn include

    Quote Originally Posted by Parboil  [View Original Post]
    I'm not here to disagree that some may be desperate, but will submit that most do it because it's the path of least resistance to get money.
    Goth Jenn. She seems to do it because she loves it.

    Screwed this post up that was not to you parboil that was the one that said they all do this because they're desperate for money not because they want to.

  2. #8913
    Quote Originally Posted by Semper314  [View Original Post]
    Over the past couple of years I've reached out to her multiple times with no response. Now requiring a 50 $ deposit I'm don't even try. Being the most attractive "verified ad" on listcrawler you can bet she's making more a night just taking deposits then actually meeting anyone these days. I bet she easily gets 100 contacts a day through phone or text.
    Not everyone whom looks or reads from LC is a member of this board, just because no one post that they were taken or cheated out of a deposit, I have heard bad things about her and also good things and have not posted here, all my choice, so I just ho with the flow. Most of these girls are way too overpriced, and want to give half ass service for a top shelf price, and most are just mot worth it at all. Dollar tree girls selling pussy at Prada prices. LOL and some treat you like shit, and are so so very nice to the next customer to try to beg for that outstanding review so the guy she treated like shit can get harrassed by the white knights who read that outstanding review.

    LOL. Common sense prevails sometimes. Just my two cents.

  3. #8912
    Quote Originally Posted by Ventomiglia  [View Original Post]
    Jenni Tay is Amazing. If you are looking for a higher end experience. She is it. I have seen her a handful of times and she is awesome. She is based out of Chi. She is Here 1/17-1/19. https://www.eros.com/missouri/st_lou...7034.htm?cat=1.
    She's well-reviewed. But be prepared that she's likely to cancel your appointment last minute if you don't bite on her offer for a duo.

  4. #8911

    Aysha on LC

    Any intel on this one?

    https://escortalligator.com.listcraw...louis/72230748

    I may TOFTT.

    Thanks brothers. LOL.

  5. #8910

    Jenni Tay

    Jenni Tay is Amazing. If you are looking for a higher end experience. She is it. I have seen her a handful of times and she is awesome. She is based out of Chi. She is Here 1/17-1/19. https://www.eros.com/missouri/st_lou...7034.htm?cat=1.

  6. #8909
    Quote Originally Posted by Jannisary  [View Original Post]
    If she is not responding to you, then just move on. If she is in the game for the long term, there is no upside to ripping guys off for deposits. There has been no reports that she has ever ripped anyone off for anything so I don't see why you'd post what you did except for sour grapes for not booking you.
    The guy is just adding his input, for someone new to the area like myself, I'm trying to weed out the bullshit, and this helps make a decision, especially since I've been torn on whether I should contact her or not.

  7. #8908
    Quote Originally Posted by Semper314  [View Original Post]
    Over the past couple of years I've reached out to her multiple times with no response. Now requiring a 50 $ deposit I'm don't even try. Being the most attractive "verified ad" on listcrawler you can bet she's making more a night just taking deposits then actually meeting anyone these days. I bet she easily gets 100 contacts a day through phone or text.
    If she is not responding to you, then just move on. If she is in the game for the long term, there is no upside to ripping guys off for deposits. There has been no reports that she has ever ripped anyone off for anything so I don't see why you'd post what you did except for sour grapes for not booking you.

  8. #8907

    Jess

    Quote Originally Posted by Jannisary  [View Original Post]
    Well Jess has been in the game for awhile. I met her years ago before she moved out to Las Vegas, then she moved back to St. Louis, and then back to Las Vegas, and then back to St. Louis. Enticing Eva was another girl who moved out there too and eventually moved back.

    Not sure why Jess decided to start asking for deposits but maybe it is to cut down on the time wasters and game players. Unless something drastic has changed with her recently, she's not going to rip anyone off and definitely wouldn't be blackmailing anyone. I'm sure if she feels requesting deposits isn't working for her she will change but I suspect she has a pretty good crop of regulars so it is not like she is fishing for all new guys every day she works.

    If you play the game right, the chances of getting blackmailed by a provider should be pretty small.

    I always use a disposable burner phone for cell contact. An app is one way or another tied to your personal phone information. Now the ordinary person may not be able to tie the app to the personal phone information but if something would really go south bad there are agencies out there that can, have, and will do it. With that said, every disposable phone has its own serial number and every carrier can trace that serial number back to the store and time it was purchased so even burner phones aren't entirely untraceable. There are just more hoops to jump through to do it.

    If all you discuss in either email, text, or voice is when the provider is available, when you can match your schedule with her availability, and where either she or you are located there isn't much material around for her to blackmail anyone. Find girls who have positive reviews on multiple sites, who have advertising with rates on multiple sites, and who you are attracted to and can afford to keep company with and have a good time. Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be.
    Over the past couple of years I've reached out to her multiple times with no response. Now requiring a 50 $ deposit I'm don't even try. Being the most attractive "verified ad" on listcrawler you can bet she's making more a night just taking deposits then actually meeting anyone these days. I bet she easily gets 100 contacts a day through phone or text.

  9. #8906

    Legit?

    Seen this ad pop up now and then, someone tell me if this woman is legit or not? Thanks.

    https://escortalligator.com.listcraw...louis/72899767

  10. #8905
    Quote Originally Posted by Spellbound728  [View Original Post]
    Any woman posting an ad putting her body and sexual favors for sale is in a state of serious desperation…..They are the ones who have to do this for a living.
    I'm not here to disagree that some may be desperate, but will submit that most do it because it's the path of least resistance to get money.

  11. #8904

    Behavioral Economics

    Is hunting for sex more like buying a dream / lottery ticket than buying a car or other asset?

    Behavioral economics uses an understanding of human psychology to account for why people deviate from rational action when they're making decisions. In t traditional economics (where supply-demand dominates the marketplace), a person is expected to weigh the benefits and drawbacks of an action and then choose the option in their own self-interest. Behavioral economics uses an understanding of human psychology to account for why people deviate from rational action when making decisions.

    States have learned the great benefits of regressive taxation via lotteries. We all know that lotteries are not "fair game" whereby the payoffs are no where near the costs. In Missouri, tax revenues from lotteries are multiples now of what is collected from corporate income taxes (corporations have lobbyists and campaign contributions to influence elected leaders). Lottery buyers have no such powers but continue to spend much needed $s for a dream.

    Ask yourself, is that dream girl, the one who never would say yes to you upon meeting in a bar / restaurant / library says yes for your $$s? Fair game based on traditional econ or more like a lottery ticket in that the little brain (not the more rational one) or your basic needs are in control?

  12. #8903
    Quote Originally Posted by DeadDead22  [View Original Post]
    But the understanding of economics is what allows you to understand why things are the way they are. It's always about supply and demand. But the more salient point is that no one is forcing anybody to visit these girls. They visit and pay more than usual because the supply is down (caused by regulation) and the demand is either the same or higher. That's why the economics lesson (albeit brief) is so important. There isn't a large enough block of men that can bad together and force prices down. The price has been forced up by regulation. It always is. The fallacy is thinking that capitalism is responsible for inflation and overpricing. It never is. It's always the regulation that causes it.

    So not to pontificate, but I don't condemn people for their tastes or kinks. I don't detest people or "overpaying". That's on them. I have no problem with girl "A" charging $300 for sniffing her asshole and pegging some dude in a motel 6. Why? Not my money. I don't use list crawler. Doesn't mean I rail against it's existence. Let people have their things. As long as they don't use my money to do it. Is supply shitty now? Yes. But you can't blame "the market" The market is an organism outside of human control, driven by the collective activity of a society. Blame the regulation that always precedes it. FOSTA-SESTA drove a lot of the low hanging fruit higher up the tree, including the hotter ones. It created artificial scarcity, because it became less profitable to advertise and see anybody and everybody. But it's also St Louis politics. St Louis sucks for the sex trade and the reason is the billboards you see upon crossing the river. "Sin drags you down to hell" and whatnot. And don't forget about inflation driving up costs. These are all things you can blame for the St Louis scene. But none of it is organic. It was all created by some internal force seeking to makes things better.

    We are both to blame and also have no control over what happens. It's a dual edge blade unfortunately. The best bet is to travel elsewhere for the talent, or adjust to the new reality.
    Why does it always boil down to someone thinking they understand economics more than someone else? I say do not fall for the okie doke. Any woman posting an ad putting her body and sexual favors for sale is in a state of serious desperation. You can mull around all the economic theorems you like but if we all started taking a pass on these substandard women posing as professional escorts the market would change. Not by rationalization and acceptance.

    There is no workable ratio between supply and demand if the supply is lousy. Let them keep their supply. As I stated, we are the ones with jobs, we have the money. They are the ones who have to do this for a living.

  13. #8902
    Quote Originally Posted by Apache77  [View Original Post]
    I had the pleasure of ringing in the new year with Violetta (http://www.tallredv.com/) and I was quite happy with the experience! A very tall and lovely lady who does a great job at oral which is what works for me. I was reminded of the old Maxwell House coffee ads that said "Good to the last drop" since she definitely stays with it. If you see her because of this post you might mention that John the dog lover recommended her and perhaps I'll score some brownie points although I didn't need any on the last visit!
    At that price point, I better be able to but whatever I want, wherever I want, however I want.

  14. #8901
    Quote Originally Posted by CarJamm1  [View Original Post]
    Hey all. Last night I contacted 4 different girls off LC and we worked out times, rates etc. Then without fail in all 4 instances they last thing I heard was: "I need a deposit to book the appointment".

    Well guess what? 4 girls didn't make any money at all. I guess most the girls off that site are getting in on the scam.
    This is the weird conversations I have with like 75% of Tinder girls. They want a deposit and when I call them out for being scammer they say "why would I scam you out of $200 when I am going to get $400 if we meet? I always respond with "because if I pay you a $200 deposit, you get $200 for doing nothing. Why would you then take $200 for sex when you just got $200 for nothing? Inevitably the conversation ends there because they can't keep the scam after that. I have had 4 different girls send me the same 'verification' picture when I tell them I want them to prove they are actually in STL. I got the first one, a random picture of the arch from a car on PSB, and saved it. Two days later, a different account sent me the exact same picture and when I sent it back to her with a 'funny, I got that same pic two days ago' comment, she called me a scammer and blocked me.

  15. #8900

    I'm in agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by DeadDead22  [View Original Post]
    But the understanding of economics is what allows you to understand why things are the way they are. It's always about supply and demand. But the more salient point is that no one is forcing anybody to visit these girls. They visit and pay more than usual because the supply is down (caused by regulation) and the demand is either the same or higher. That's why the economics lesson (albeit brief) is so important. There isn't a large enough block of men that can bad together and force prices down. The price has been forced up by regulation. It always is. The fallacy is thinking that capitalism is responsible for inflation and overpricing. It never is. It's always the regulation that causes it.

    So not to pontificate, but I don't condemn people for their tastes or kinks. I don't detest people or "overpaying". That's on them. I have no problem with girl "A" charging $300 for sniffing her asshole and pegging some dude in a motel 6. Why? Not my money. I don't use list crawler. Doesn't mean I rail against it's existence. Let people have their things. As long as they don't use my money to do it. Is supply shitty now? Yes. But you can't blame "the market" The market is an organism outside of human control, driven by the collective activity of a society. Blame the regulation that always precedes it. FOSTA-SESTA drove a lot of the low hanging fruit higher up the tree, including the hotter ones. It created artificial scarcity, because it became less profitable to advertise and see anybody and everybody. But it's also St Louis politics. St Louis sucks for the sex trade and the reason is the billboards you see upon crossing the river. "Sin drags you down to hell" and whatnot. And don't forget about inflation driving up costs. These are all things you can blame for the St Louis scene. But none of it is organic. It was all created by some internal force seeking to makes things better.

    We are both to blame and also have no control over what happens. It's a dual edge blade unfortunately. The best bet is to travel elsewhere for the talent, or adjust to the new reality.
    However, every market has its fluctuations. The more that a provider can make, the greater number of providers there will be until the demand cannot support and then prices decrease. Where the top or bottom of the market exists can't be predicted or contolled. But I hope the high end of the price graph has been reached. However. I appreciate the comments back and forth on this board to expect higher standards from people we are paying. Who's going to hold them accountable for bad behavior if we don't? Cheers.

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