Rants Raves and Stupid Shit in Seattle.

[DrtyHarry]

Oh, and while I'm on my soapbox, let's not put quotes around the words "women" and "men". To be sure, it's convenient shorthand, implying that there are real women who possess stereotypical feminine qualities and real men who possess stereotypical masculine qualities, but also suggesting that not all men and women are real in their gender identity. That kind of reductive narrative does us all a disservice. Let's acknowledge that the world is far more complicated with gradations exceeding our limited vision and desire for binary options.

I usually do not post to threads like these that usually result in a lot of back and forth. But I do use the "women" thing when talking. In fact I did that in my post below. You seem to be judging actions / words of people without understanding. Just because someone puts something in inverted commas it does not in anyway imply that they are opposing or against anything. My mantra in life. Just found your post very unnecessary as this whole discussion "so far" was very civil, no where in any post was it mentioned that was a "bad" or a "good" thing. It simply stated that we as hobbyists would have liked to know that before we slept with them and that these are people who are allegedly hiding that fact. You seem to have taken the conversation in a completely different direction.

[Original703]

Whatever you got to tell yourself. You can certainly believe it. You cannot guarantee it.

Like I said: nothing wrong with being trans. But a lot of guys are banging man-made pussies. Surgery has come a long way.

All right, mongers, to each their own: you puts down your hard-earned cash and you hopes you gets what you want.

Buuuut, if you think you can determine birth gender based on a mannerism or a smell or a look or anything else, well, good luck with that: it's hardly foolproof. Unless you're karyotyping, you can't be sure whether the person was Assigned Female At Birth or Assigned Male At Birth. And even then, analyzing the pair of sex chromosomes--most people have an XX pair (AFAB) or an XY pair (AMAB) --you're only identifying whether the person was assigned female or male at birth, respectively. From that microscopic analysis, you can't establish their gender identity nor whether they've undergone gender confirmation surgery.

Like Aussie said, "There's nothing wrong with being trans or a trans SW. " Now let's fucking amplify that 100 fold. If you're transgender, you're going to' have a tough time of it. The world is not going to be kind to you. And I'm here to say, hey, I've got your back. I'm a cis male with all of the associated privileges. The least I can do is publicly support you by honoring your pronouns and denouncing transphobic rhetoric.

Oh, and while I'm on my soapbox, let's not put quotes around the words "women" and "men". To be sure, it's convenient shorthand, implying that there are real women who possess stereotypical feminine qualities and real men who possess stereotypical masculine qualities, but also suggesting that not all men and women are real in their gender identity. That kind of reductive narrative does us all a disservice. Let's acknowledge that the world is far more complicated with gradations exceeding our limited vision and desire for binary options.

Finally, before you jump all over my shit, asking whether I think a hypothetical, trans woman sex worker (on hormones, developed breasts, but still rocking a penis) should divulge her status in her ads, my answer is yes. If we're engaging in intercourse, it matters to me. It probably matters to many of her prospective other clients, too.

P.S. Occasionally, there are autosome and chromosome abnormalities. A person can be born with an extra sex chromosome: some people have XXY chromosomes and some have XYY chromosomes. This shit is nuanced and tricky. Let's leave ourselves some room to evolve and develop.

[Twister100]

At the Garden of Eden, Alisa went by Naturelle, LOL. I never booked her, but was close to, because she looked like a redhead on that site.

LOL, she must have been pretty good when younger, as we have seven confirmed times that a guy has stuck his dingaling into her.

I read some of those links about her, and doing the math, it seems like Alisa isn't even 40 yet. But, look at how shitty she looks now. She doesn't even look like she's an addict or drugged out.

How did she get so ugly, so quickly, LOL.

That's incorrect. The Alisa was not Naturelle. Naturelle's real first name is similar to Alisa and her last name was not Bernard. Naturelle was also in public eye talking about her experiences with addiction and providing but her story was more about turning her life around and doing something positive afterwards.

[Anonymous420]

https://thistlefarms.org/blogs/alisa...s-long-overdue

https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion...-long-overdue/

Check out this article written by Alisa Bernard, where she cheers that TRB was shut down.

This is the same Alisa, who after burning so many bridges within the industry (with Maya of Garden of Eden, and Alex of Elliott Bay, for example), went on to work semi-independently, and worked with one other girl, with Alisa calling herself "Kenzi," in that incarnation of herself. Nobody forced her to advertise herself in TRB. She made SOME money as a result of TRB, even as Kenzi. And now she's cheering it's shutdown. Very hypocritical.

Honestly, I think that as Alisa grew older and less attractive, and younger prettier girls were getting more business than her, she became jealous and resentful.

Even though Rachel of Seattle was older, and past her prime in 2005 or so, she was still sexy and fun. She had me for an incall at her house over in the Eastside. I don't think Rachel ever felt exploited. Well into her 30's, Rachel was her own person, knew what she was doing, and benefited from TRB.

I think that, because of her own actions, the benefits of TRB dried up for Alisa, and she began to get jealous and resentful.

Clearly, Alisa wants to get USG and TNA shut down.

After reading the articles it seems to me that she was more upset that people were talking about services rendered than anything else, equating poor reviews or information shared about servcies offered as violence. I guess I don't get it.

I can understand that being forced in to prostituion by pimps is a bad thing. If someone chooses to do sex work on their own accord, that's really on them. I can understand if someone has regrets, especially if they did it to fund their drug habits. No one was forcing anything that I could glean from the articles.

I understand having regrets, but it seems like the author is projecting their own self-loathing on to other people and blaming them instead of themselves.

[Jason Durkee]

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I want these terms more clearly defined, when we're talking about the context of USG.

Fuck you

A2

[Makayla McDade]

https://thistlefarms.org/blogs/alisa...s-long-overdue

https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion...-long-overdue/

Check out this article written by Alisa Bernard, where she cheers that TRB was shut down.

This is the same Alisa, who after burning so many bridges within the industry (with Maya of Garden of Eden, and Alex of Elliott Bay, for example), went on to work semi-independently, and worked with one other girl, with Alisa calling herself "Kenzi," in that incarnation of herself. Nobody forced her to advertise herself in TRB. She made SOME money as a result of TRB, even as Kenzi. And now she's cheering it's shutdown. Very hypocritical.

Honestly, I think that as Alisa grew older and less attractive, and younger prettier girls were getting more business than her, she became jealous and resentful.

Even though Rachel of Seattle was older, and past her prime in 2005 or so, she was still sexy and fun. She had me for an incall at her house over in the Eastside. I don't think Rachel ever felt exploited. Well into her 30's, Rachel was her own person, knew what she was doing, and benefited from TRB.

I think that, because of her own actions, the benefits of TRB dried up for Alisa, and she began to get jealous and resentful.

Clearly, Alisa wants to get USG and TNA shut down.

[Jameer Nelson]

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EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted because it contributed nothing of value and in fact constituted a complete waste of bandwidth.

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex. Let's stick to the subject.

[Brian Shinamot]

I tend to date younger, preferably 32 or younger.

For those of you who date women in the 35 to 45 year old range, on Skip The Games or Escort Alligator, where would Alisa, in these pictures, fall? Is she about average, is she better than average, slightly below average?

[JoelBNelson]

Did she go by "Alisa" when she was with GOE? I never book with agencies because it's just asking for trouble.

I'm constantly surprised guys who do.

Agencies keep records, no matter what they tell you. Since these are easy enforcement targets, I'm never surprised when agencies are taken down and clients are exposed. Agencies make nice targets for eager government prosecutors who are looking to help convict on tax evasion, among other things.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sea...ds-1179620.php

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sea...se-1131865.php

At the Garden of Eden, Alisa went by Naturelle, LOL. I never booked her, but was close to, because she looked like a redhead on that site.

LOL, she must have been pretty good when younger, as we have seven confirmed times that a guy has stuck his dingaling into her.

I read some of those links about her, and doing the math, it seems like Alisa isn't even 40 yet. But, look at how shitty she looks now. She doesn't even look like she's an addict or drugged out.

How did she get so ugly, so quickly, LOL.

[TheNovelist]

I was just making a top 3 famous girls I'd like to see do porn or like to fool around with right now.

1) Gal Gadot: actress. I would let her break me.

2) Peyton List: actress. Tori on Cobra Kai. You just know she's got to be a very passionate girl in bed!

3) Dora Madison: actress. She's just right kind of crazy to be extremely passionate in bed.

Who are your top three you'd like to see in porn or to go to bed with right now?

[TheNovelist]

Did she go by "Alisa" when she was with GOE? I never book with agencies because it's just asking for trouble.

I'm constantly surprised guys who do.

Agencies keep records, no matter what they tell you. Since these are easy enforcement targets, I'm never surprised when agencies are taken down and clients are exposed. Agencies make nice targets for eager government prosecutors who are looking to help convict on tax evasion, among other things.

Oh my that is funny; I got a book 3 get one free from her years ago. She has NOT aged well. By the way, victim Alisa, remember the BBFSCIP was YOUR idea.

[Flyer99]

Oh my that is funny; I got a book 3 get one free from her years ago. She has NOT aged well. By the way, victim Alisa, remember the BBFSCIP was YOUR idea.

https://www.worldwithoutexploitation.../alisa-bernard

https://thistlefarms.org/pages/alisa-bernard

https://crosscut.com/author/alisa-bernard

Did you know that if you are caught in a sting by the Bellevue Police, the John school you have to attend costs about $900? Yeah, let that sink in.

Look at these links, and see the pictures of Alisa Bernard, the face of "survivors of prostitution. " I bet that at least FIVE of you have dated her. If you pooned in Seattle from 2001-2007 or so, you very likely booked her through one of the at least three agencies she worked for.

Also public knowledge: Remember the Garden of Eden? The ex-boyfriend of the owner turned her into the police. Alisa worked for that agency. One of the girls told that boyfriend about an abusive client. Most in the Seattle hobby scene believe that Alisa is the one who told him about what the Garden of Eden is, as he claimed to have not known (yeah right!

I booked Alisa three times, through a different agency. I know, for those who haven't dated her, looking at her pictures, you're thinking, SHE was a high earner? She was actually decent in her early 20's. However, I had a feeling that she wouldn't age well. She has that "Norwegian nose" that I hate. She actually offered to marry me back then (I wonder how many clients she offered to marry) and while that sounded flattering, I sensed that when she would be a 45 year old wife and Mom, she would be overweight, wearing glasses, and looking like a Trailer Trash wife and Mom. She actually looks even worse, and she's still only about 37 now. She used to have a slim fit athletic body with a great ass, but she looks overweight now. She will look very decrepit at 45.

She was known to be a total LIAR, who told people she was in college, when she was a high school dropout, who took to the streets, young. She would say things at the end of my (and every other guy's dates) dates, "Oh, I don't want to leave! I love sex!" When I asked other girls who knew her if manipulative is a word to describe her, they said yes.

Alisa IS part of the John school curriculum! If you have to go to John school, you will have Alisa come in, lecturing you, talking down to you, and shaming you for "what you're doing to these girls," and how "prostitution is never a victimless crime," and yada yada. I don't need this pathological phony liar, who offered to marry me (probably offered the same to scores of other male clients too) trying to teach me anything about prostitution, and the scars it leaves on the victims.

Here's where all of YOU are DEAD WRONG: The stories about the Bellevue road rage high speed chases, and the Bellevue Police Department's absence on the road, tells you just where "dealing with reckless drivers" and "setting up John traps at Bellevue incalls," show their respective spots on the Bellevue Police's totem pole.

It's too bad that you criticize one of your own (a fellow male hobbyist) who has FIRST hand experience about how the Bellevue Police operate. He showed you just how high of a priority it is for the Bellevue Police to set up stings, as evidenced by the recent arrest of 16 hobbyists, who fell into the trap at a Bellevue incall last week.

Did YOU know that the MANDATORY John school that you go to, if you're arrested by the Bellevue Police, costs $900, literally? Yeah, you learned something, didn't you, Buckaroo.

It's too bad that you fail to realize, that we make hobbyists are all on the SAME side. Rather than absorbing a learning experience, that can save you $900, you just dismiss it.

If YOU want to get arrested by the Bellevue Police, waste $900 on John school, and have Alisa Bernard talk down to you at John school, suit yourself.

[Camhole]

When you give him attention, even to call him out on a fight thread, you encourage him to keep posting because this is exactly what he's looking for.

Don't quote him, don't mention him, don't give him any attention, just report the post, let me ban it and move on.

A2.

You are correct sir and I will do my sober best to follow your advice. No promises about drunk me though, as he's kinda an asshole.

[Burnette1974]

https://www.worldwithoutexploitation.../alisa-bernard

https://thistlefarms.org/pages/alisa-bernard

https://crosscut.com/author/alisa-bernard

Did you know that if you are caught in a sting by the Bellevue Police, the John school you have to attend costs about $900? Yeah, let that sink in.

Look at these links, and see the pictures of Alisa Bernard, the face of "survivors of prostitution. " I bet that at least FIVE of you have dated her. If you pooned in Seattle from 2001-2007 or so, you very likely booked her through one of the at least three agencies she worked for.

Also public knowledge: Remember the Garden of Eden? The ex-boyfriend of the owner turned her into the police. Alisa worked for that agency. One of the girls told that boyfriend about an abusive client. Most in the Seattle hobby scene believe that Alisa is the one who told him about what the Garden of Eden is, as he claimed to have not known (yeah right!

I booked Alisa three times, through a different agency. I know, for those who haven't dated her, looking at her pictures, you're thinking, SHE was a high earner? She was actually decent in her early 20's. However, I had a feeling that she wouldn't age well. She has that "Norwegian nose" that I hate. She actually offered to marry me back then (I wonder how many clients she offered to marry) and while that sounded flattering, I sensed that when she would be a 45 year old wife and Mom, she would be overweight, wearing glasses, and looking like a Trailer Trash wife and Mom. She actually looks even worse, and she's still only about 37 now. She used to have a slim fit athletic body with a great ass, but she looks overweight now. She will look very decrepit at 45.

She was known to be a total LIAR, who told people she was in college, when she was a high school dropout, who took to the streets, young. She would say things at the end of my (and every other guy's dates) dates, "Oh, I don't want to leave! I love sex!" When I asked other girls who knew her if manipulative is a word to describe her, they said yes.

Alisa IS part of the John school curriculum! If you have to go to John school, you will have Alisa come in, lecturing you, talking down to you, and shaming you for "what you're doing to these girls," and how "prostitution is never a victimless crime," and yada yada. I don't need this pathological phony liar, who offered to marry me (probably offered the same to scores of other male clients too) trying to teach me anything about prostitution, and the scars it leaves on the victims.

Here's where all of YOU are DEAD WRONG: The stories about the Bellevue road rage high speed chases, and the Bellevue Police Department's absence on the road, tells you just where "dealing with reckless drivers" and "setting up John traps at Bellevue incalls," show their respective spots on the Bellevue Police's totem pole.

It's too bad that you criticize one of your own (a fellow male hobbyist) who has FIRST hand experience about how the Bellevue Police operate. He showed you just how high of a priority it is for the Bellevue Police to set up stings, as evidenced by the recent arrest of 16 hobbyists, who fell into the trap at a Bellevue incall last week.

Did YOU know that the MANDATORY John school that you go to, if you're arrested by the Bellevue Police, costs $900, literally? Yeah, you learned something, didn't you, Buckaroo.

It's too bad that you fail to realize, that we make hobbyists are all on the SAME side. Rather than absorbing a learning experience, that can save you $900, you just dismiss it.

If YOU want to get arrested by the Bellevue Police, waste $900 on John school, and have Alisa Bernard talk down to you at John school, suit yourself.

[Admin2]

Yet another Rex alt I had to block. How fucking pathetic.

When you give him attention, even to call him out on a fight thread, you encourage him to keep posting because this is exactly what he's looking for.

Don't quote him, don't mention him, don't give him any attention, just report the post, let me ban it and move on.

A2.