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10-23-21 19:26 #10339Senior Member

Posts: 70The questions from your original post (s) betray a total lack of understanding of how the sexual marketplace functions and are loaded with assumptions that were not implied by the OP, but sure let's review:
Originally Posted by ZckBrc
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It just depends on the guy. If we're talking about an incel then ofc paying for it would give them valuable experience and a level of comfort around attractive women that they couldn't otherwise have. If we're talking about a reasonably attractive young guy with decent social skills then paying for it could indeed be counterproductive.
Originally Posted by ZckBrc
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None of that follows. First of all "instincts" are not learned, but innate behaviors. Natural chads have solid instincts that they build upon, whereas PUAs learn to emulate and accentuate chad behaviors. Nobody develops instincts or learns to emulate those instincts without a conscious investment of time, energy, trial, and error. Getting older doesn't mean you automatically learn game, even if you had a bunch of partners. Dumb argument.
Originally Posted by ZckBrc
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And not everything needs to be a fucking peer-reviewed scientific study. Try using your own God-given mental faculties instead of outsourcing your opinions to whoever has a distinguished suffix appended to their name.
Lolwut? Instincts and nature aren't real? And yeah "alpha" and "beta" are just reductive classifiers for dominant and pushover personalities that we all intuitively understand. Some autists perhaps take these concepts too far and reify them as concrete realities, but that doesn't make them any less valid.
Originally Posted by ZckBrc
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That goes just as well for everything you said, so it adds nothing to your argument.
Originally Posted by ZckBrc
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This is purely ahistorical gibberish based on idiotic feminist revisionism, as if women never had any agency or freedom until Gloria Steinem appeared. You think courtship wasn't a thing a couple hundred years ago? Or a couple thousand years ago? Just because some cultures and classes arranged marriages doesn't change the fact that men and women interacted socially, expressed mutual attraction, fucked, married, cheated, etc. And what kind of men do you think those women of the past were attracted to? Dominant men of higher status, it's literally that simple.
Originally Posted by ZckBrc
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So yeah, another pants-on-head retarded argument on your part.
You think the fact that leaders sometimes pay for it means they're not getting it for free or being constantly propositioned? These are not mutually exclusive whatsoever.
Originally Posted by ZckBrc
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Attraction is not the same thing as love, and humans have been doing all those things because of attraction for as long as there have been humans. I don't even know where you get some of these dumb ideas from. Try reading a book written before 1900 sometime.
Originally Posted by ZckBrc
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I know you weren't replying to me here but I'm certainly not saying any of that.
Originally Posted by ZckBrc
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Agreed. But it doesn't follow from any of this that the alpha / beta or chad / virgin hierarchy isn't a massive factor in attracting women.
Originally Posted by ZckBrc
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Yeah, you need other people's fancy degrees to tell you what to think. And frankly you are not even aware of what those various credentialed people are saying, or the current state of the debate in academia, like even a little bit. Most likely you've been impressed by the infity articles from lefty journo hacks on how the manosphere is toxic pseudoscience.
Originally Posted by ZckBrc
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In other words you're being a propaganda parrot for an agenda you don't even comprehend. But yeah dude, human history and sexual dynamics are totally like scientific theories of gravity and electricity. There's no epistemological distance there at all 🤣.
Bro, if you never learned how to distinguish between real and solely-financial attraction from a girl, then you're clearly the chump here.
Originally Posted by ZckBrc
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That's someone else, I'm not discouraging shit. As for all the "right-wing Taliban" crap maybe stop regurgitating basic bi*ch MSNPC memes, for fuck's sake. No clue who Tom Dart is or why he's relevant to anything.
Originally Posted by ZckBrc
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BTW I've focused on your comments because they're some of the dumbest shit ITT, but frankly there are a lot of other posters here with their heads up their asses. Sadly (or not) I've got hot babes who need fucking, so their takedowns will have to wait.
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10-23-21 18:11 #10338Senior Member

Posts: 168Extremely desperate to meet. Anyone partake? I thought about it but she is too far from me. I am sure half the forum has been with her being how desperate she is to meet.
https://members.seeking.com/member/9...b-d1dafc861296
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10-23-21 17:38 #10337Senior Member

Posts: 168SA is getting slower and slower.
What the hell is going on? I know everyone says it is guys from traditional dating apps coming in and it is more competitive, but what I am noticing is there are alot less girls that are actually active or online.
I thought things would have opened up now with the opening of Covid but it still hasn't happen.
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10-23-21 17:27 #10336Senior Member

Posts: 168This one is a pro. She used to be in River Grove out of a hotel 6 and now appears to be playing the SB role.
https://members.seeking.com/member/f...5-f31b77d6f8ff
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10-23-21 17:10 #10335Senior Member

Posts: 29German girl
Just want to know if anyone else has hook up with her. Hit me up love to share experiences.
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10-23-21 16:57 #10334Senior Member

Posts: 690This is why I don't share specifics because the girls I've met are often alittle bit more selective and they have told me they only meet a handful of guys per month, if that. If I were to air out the details on here, I'd get outed.
Originally Posted by JustinFields
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Let your membership expire and don't sign up again for another 3-4 months or atleast until / if things start going back to normal and opening up again.
Originally Posted by DynoJr
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The amount of women on here asking for $500 to get dinner or 1 K PPM is ridiculous and alot of them are pretty average all things considered.
I just got suspended recently and I'm one strike away from being banned.
I keep it PG in the messages so I'm not sure what I did but this is getting ridiculous, now I'm going to have to make phone calls just to not incriminate myself. I have a feeling sooner or later within the next 3-5 years SA will get banned or something will happen to it, now that its becoming more mainstream and the karens are going to start coming out and complaining about the patriarchy.
Has anyone had any success find SBs via other avenues? I've had girls tell me they've had older guys approach them in public or when they were working as waitresses / bartenders but I feel like if I were to do that I'd get #MeToo'd.
Wish I was making 6 figures in 2009 and 2010 when backpage was rippin!
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10-23-21 15:25 #10333Senior Member

Posts: 541Sharing and caring II
A couple I'm dumping for better options.
https://members.seeking.com/member/e...a-861671dd6744
Private pics are smoking, but so is her price tag. Claims her last provided $6 k monthly. Moving on.
https://members.seeking.com/member/3...3-10c3b6a7dd2c
Met and real life not as good as pics. Never got to discuss money, but she's nice and knows how this works.
https://members.seeking.com/member/9...c-091b3e4976a8
Sweet girl who says she used to get between 4-6 for ppm but can't host. Also covered FS no anal. I'd probably do it but getting hotel isn't worth it.
https://members.seeking.com/member/a...0-b04ba8d32b58
DTF but her schedule doesn't work and likely can't host. I never went to text so not much else to add.
https://members.seeking.com/member/a...4-165a6bcee390
Experienced and dtf but can't host. She said she did monthly before but willing to do ppm. I don't remember if we talked $ because I moved on to better pursuits.
https://members.seeking.com/member/a...3-a869083543f2
I like this one but she has a real job that requires her to be available and she doesn't want married due to the drama. Probably a good lead for young single guy but older probably need to flash $.
I'm kinda running out and getting jaded but the unicorn search continues.
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10-23-21 13:13 #10332Senior Member

Posts: 16895% of the time you are right, that being said woman break rules for certain guys and make rules for everyone else.
Originally Posted by Pal5600
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The 10's are going to be harder to fuck for free but I have fucked young 6's and 7's for free off of SA. I would have posted links of girls I fucked for free but They will get bombarded and I will get out on blast so I can't do that. But I agree if the girl is young and hot it is going to be very hard!
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10-23-21 13:10 #10331Senior Member

Posts: 168The guy doesn't have to be a Chad but she perceives him to be of higher value than you are. You are paying to fuck her pussy and she is giving it for free to the other guy. You need money to fuck her and he doesn't. It doesn't mean he is better than you, but she perceives him to be of higher value. You are paying and he isn't. Woman cheat all the time without the guy paying, at least she is getting paid. You can't call Chad a cuck if he has no knowledge of it.
Originally Posted by ZckBrc
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Next time you are paying your 500 ppm ask the girl if she would like to see you without ppm and see what happens.
When I am paying ppm I know the girl doesn't see me as a Chad it is impossible. That being said I don't give a fuck because I am going to get my nut off and have a good time.
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10-23-21 12:36 #10330Senior Member

Posts: 663Truth bomb right here.
Originally Posted by Pal5600
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10-23-21 12:35 #10329Senior Member

Posts: 663"If you think this is "pure pseudoscience" because you haven't yet been presented you with some peer-reviewed study from a university's sociology department then you're also in that absolutely clueless category and need to start learning from experience instead of so-called experts".
Originally Posted by RusselJimmies
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If that is true then address any of my questions. I don't need a fancy degree to see through that silliness, just some common sense. "The experts" you are calling so-called is basically everything that is known about science and the history of people. It's not some small group of professors. It's the sum total of human knowledge. That's why what you're saying is so stupid. The world doesn't work that way. Shit isn't true just because you believe it. If people thought like that, you wouldn't be typing on a computer. If you think you can stick your finger in a light socket only because a "so-called expert" says you cannot, then have at it, bruh. Also, " If she's regularly seeing you for $5 ppm she probably turned down and ignored dozens of higher offers for $6, $7, and up. " This might be the statement of a "simp" after all because bro, she is going to fuck you for $5 and then she is going to fuck the others too $6, $7, and up, and she is going to make all that $. Let me get this straight, what you're saying is, basically, you think the girls you pay $5 for sex actually like you and are not doing it for the money? Bruh, you're in a category called "chump" if you believe that.
Btw, bro, you're using a board about SA and transactional sex to discourage young guys from using SA and having transactional sex. It's like your "inner Taliban," which might be as real as your so-called "instinct" is fighting with your need to use SA. If you don't need it, don't use it. You do you. But I'll just say that everything you said, could have been said by Tom Dart, and I cannot help but wonder if that's you behind the screen, Tommy.
Also, the other guy who said,
"Or fuck her boyfriend 3 times a week for free.
She will ghost you and choose her boyfriend. You are transactional her boyfriend is validated."
So, in this scenario, she is dating "a chad" or an "alpha" but I am also fucking this "chad's" or "alpha's" girlfriend and he doesn't know it. Well, is he still a chad or alpha, if his girlfriend is giving up her ass to me for my chump change on the side? Seems pretty weak and cucky to me if your girlfriend puts her ass in the air to me for my leftover $. The scenario is ridiculous because you're saying she will ghost me and chooser her boyfriend. But didn't she just choose me and ghost her boyfriend as soon as I placed a bid? That's what I am saying, the way some guys think about these things is as stupid as the way some chick thinks astrology and "Scorpios" or "Cancers" are real. I'm sure if I told them that they were wrong about astrology they'd be like "but it's true, it just is, I don't care what some so-called expert thinks." Anyone can punch a million holes in it and it's just what weak minded people choose to believe because they cannot handle the truth.
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10-23-21 12:01 #10328Senior Member

Posts: 258April became an extremely high volume escort some years ago
Wow! All escorts are also migrating to SA!!
Originally Posted by Lungchops
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April is from some southern state and used to come to Chicago once a week until she had a high demand and ended up moving to Chicago. At the beginning she was nice but due to her popularity (very affordable rates) she became super but super busy and many times I had to wait for an hour in the parking lot to see her. She had tons of clients at any time or any day of the week. She would host at those motels around Lincoln Avenue on the north site. Her ads were everywhere, Craigslist and then backpage, I'm talking about maybe 8 years ago and she used the very same name (April) I don't know if that's her real name but I'm surprised she still uses that name.
So don't think you are dealing with a regular / organic woman. She was a high volume escort and I wouldn't do bb even if she offered it (most escorts don't offer bb on SA).
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10-23-21 11:30 #10327Senior Member

Posts: 52A lot to unpack here.
Originally Posted by ZckBrc
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There is a practiced element to picking up girls. Yes, if you're tall, dark young and handsome, it can be gravy, but still you need to develop confidence and the ability to flirt and make women laugh and be comfortable. Yes, I can see how banging SA girls could somewhat sharpen those skills because there's still an element of competition there, and you can practice convo skills, but it's still not the same as picking up girls for free because you really have to attract the girl with your wit and personality, not just looks or $.
And for an older guy to be able to use his advanced "game," well, that can be true for awhile, maybe into a guy's 40's or early 50's but I passed those milestones eons ago unfortunately. LOL. So what happens then, is there's that pesky fact of life called physical aging. And I'm not even talking about ol limp dick, talking about appearance. So it depends on what's "old. " An older guy can have advanced game or experience, but if he still looks like an old man, well, that's a problem in getting freebies. And after awhile an older guy has to be aware how ridiculous it would look to take a 21 yo out to a EDM festival or Olivia Rodrigo concert, or even a dinner! Ya sure, I'm going to be out there dancing wildly in a sea of 20 year olds, twirling all those day glow things to syncopated computer droning. Just no. LOL. While I'm sure it's happened out there, I think that's a pretty tall order. Not to mention the really older guys are more likely to have plenty of life / schedule commitments that prevent much freedom to go on dates, etc. Taking these SA girls out on real dates is, showing them a good time, I would think, is the key to getting freebies. Likely ain't going to happen for a 55+ yo, no matter the game he has. (Now I'll wait for a cavalcade of 55+ dudes here to pipe up saying they do it all the time LOL) So SA solves many of those problems, and there's no way I'm going to beat my head against a wall to try to pickup freebies there because the chances are so low considering the limitations discussed above.
Back in the "old days," humanity was at a different state, where survival and propagation of the species was paramount. Those factors overwhelmed the importance of "game" or "instinct" in mating. Mating was much more about status, practicality and proximity. I'd bet many men didn't get laid at all if you go back to really old times when the masses of surplus men were used as slaves or cannon fodder. Or they only banged other men or prostitutes. The "ballers" were the slave owners, nobles, royalty, business elites, etc. Etc. Who likely banged an outsized percentage of the women, maybe even more than now. Now we're in an age of leisure. We all have a huge choice on who to bang, unshackled about those worries back in the day. So game or instinct is more important. Women have more choices than ever before, so there is more competition for the attractive ones.
The mating game as always been somewhat cruel for marginal males. And that's because mating is all about maximizing population of the species, if you want to look at it scientifically. And it's much more important to make sure ALL women are banging and getting pregnant, ie, uterine capacity is maximized. And technically, all males aren't needed for that. So in a way, men are much less important in the population maximation scheme. But the surplus men would be very useful in providing labor, protection, being grunts. Etc.
If you watch animal videos, it's entertaining to watch the many hoops males have to jump thru to get prized females. And many males are shut out entirely. No different than human males, it seems. But meerkats don't have an equivalent to SA so they're SOL. LOL.
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10-23-21 11:13 #10326Senior Member

Posts: 146These discussions happen over and over on this site. You're not wrong, but we simply can't generalize the SD or SB populations as broadly as everyone would like to in order to fit their (not "there") personal ideologies and preferred narratives.
Originally Posted by JustinFields
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I've fucked girls on Seeking who didn't even know what being a sugar baby was. They thought it was where you went to meet older guys who would buy them dinner, which, of course, *is* transactional but trivially so. I've met and fucked two college girls from Seeking who I didn't spend a penny on. One of them drove from Tulsa to OKC to have a few drinks in the bar next to my hotel and then spent the night and wouldn't take any money, even though I tried. I've had a couple who took money but were surprised that I was offering. I'm in my late 40's and right now a 25 year old and hot family friend is throwing herself at me to the point of it being awkward who I can't and won't fuck because I am married and her dad is practically my brother and I usually make good decisions. Funnily enough, I saw her Seeking profile five years ago. She only had it up for a week or so, but she definitely likes older guys.
I'm on Seeking because I want to have better sex with hotter girls who are more likeable than I can find on most Escort sites. And because I'm married and want to stay that way, I basically need to find those girls on Seeking if I don't want it to affect my personal life. Paying them is the fastest, most consistent and reliable way to make that happen, so that's what I try to do.
Beyond my experience, I've seen physicians, lawyers and well-paid media personalities profiles on Seeking. I've seen MILFs with nannies, who drive Range Rovers our of their North Shore house that her husband is paying for. They don't need the money. They need the experience.
Some girls just like sex. Some good girls like to do bad things or feel dirty. Some bad girls are bad all the time. Some prefer older guys or guys with status. Some girls like all kinds of guys but prefer getting money, all things being equal. Some girls only fuck hot guys with nice cars and if they can get money while doing it, all the better. Some girls don't prefer older guys but like them well enough to fuck them if it's profitable. Some girls don't hate fucking older guys, but hate the idea of getting paid for sex but because they need the money but will still only fuck the most attractive and honorable seeming guys who make them feel like they are in a relationship. Some girls don't like fucking older guys but will if they get paid enough. Some girls will fuck whomever opens the hotel room door because they need money for heroin, baby formula or both.
They are all on Seeking. And sure, we're mammals and we do mammal stuff and that explains a lot of it. But no single social dynamic or ideology explains all the relationships that happen on Seeking because there's too much diversity. There are women who are prostitutes on Seeking and there are also women who aren't. There are guys who need to pay for it and there are guys that don't, and everything in between.
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10-23-21 10:54 #10325Senior Member

Posts: 541Asian scammers
So the ones I've communicated with have similar profiles. All are in their early 30's and the common story is that they're tired of all of the guys just looking for sex. But you sir, are different. I want to learn more about you including what you do for a living.
Originally Posted by RusselJimmies
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I saw on a Reddit somewhere that they start communicating on WhatsApp and convince you to make a deposit or some kind of investment. Not sure why they want you on WhatsApp other than they can get a real phone number that is attached to your real identity. I got a random message from an attractive Asian woman asking if I'm David. If I replied I suspect she would try to coax some kind of relationship out of me.
I've reported this type of activity to SA, so if anything hopefully they'll clean this up. Be careful and never disclose any identifying information until you at least get a real life in person meet.
Enough of this shit. I've got a couple real life white girls to work on.













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