Ripoff Reports

**CreamFire** · 10-29-21 22:01

She had recent TER rating so I figured to take my chance and give her +100 deposit to meet at her incall. After many years of mongering, I let myself get scammed to something like this. My JR was thinking for me at this short visit in Chicago. Well, I knew doing it came with this risk so can't complain. Was trying to get in w/ Alena agency but the screening is ridiculously difficult despite giving full ID with selfie of me with it. SMH, all the time wasted could have got me laid for free at the bars. Anyway, do NOT send a deposit to this ****. Will claim she didn't receive screenshots of receipt or the money in her cash app.

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**ChgoJJ** · 10-28-21 02:26

Originally Posted by IndigoWalk [View Original Post]

Had seen Marissa last year with no incident (it was a flavor of the month thing. COVID did weird things to me to try a lot of different things out). She reached out to me last night and for whatever reason I bit. (more on that in another thread). I should have known something was off because she kept hard selling / pushing the two girl /"double trouble" even before the visit, when I was clear I just wanted a hhr trip to greece. Anyway, get there in the same place that everything was fine the first couple of visits, and she's still trying to aggressively sell the upgrade, and I'm starting to get comfortable with my shoes off - "let me bring her out. Hey Skittles. " and now between me and the door is a guy who has at least 6 inches on me, and with 30 years of youth on me as well.

All in all, a calm and professional robbery. I hand over the donation, all my pockets are searched, I got to keep my phone and car key. I brought nothing else with.

So it really doesn't matter if you pay upfront or not. That kind of situation is going to happen from time to time. Stay calm. I'm a little surprised repeat visitors would be robbed. Seems like a bad business practice. Anyone got insight on this?

https://chicago.skipthegames.com/fem...i/690593223679

To take the edge off, I did have a delightful hhr session with SageRose. Complete 180 degrees in body type. Big, Small, I like them all! LOL.

I saw Marissa about a year ago in her apartment up north.

Its sad to see she is robbing mongers now.

Stay Safe guys!!

**IndigoWalk** · 10-24-21 10:34

"Skittles" - taller black guy, maybe 6" mid 20's - 30's. Average build. More skinny than athletic, but not worth a kerfuffle. Was courteous enough to wear a bandanna mask to protect me from possible COVID-19 while robbing me.

"Fat Albert" - black guy with that "Hey hey hey!" Fat Albert / Bill Cosby kind of personality. Heavier set. Maybe 3/4 size of Fat Albert. Older - 50? Or milage to make him look like it. Wore a backpack. Maybe 5' 8" Bad teeth / gold teeth. Was hanging around outside of incall wandering aimlessly with Violet, clearly waiting for my arrival. They left, leaving the gate open for me as soon as they saw me. Plenty of eye contact and conversation. They tried to make it seem as if that was random.

"Voilet" - Thick white girl, on the bigger side, but still half the size of Marissa. Mid-20's? Looks surprisingly healthy & clean for this group, that for the most part all looked a bit worn out. She has a nice smile and good teeth. The rest of them, not so much. She gave me her number, but I think she really gave me Fat Albert's number. She couldn't remember her own digits. Still learning the game but is going to be rip-off trouble later when she learns how to really hook a guy in, as she was clearly being coached by Fat Albert. Almost had me in my 2nd moment of bad decision making, but enough flags I left.

Voilet, despite telling me she lived in the building on Damen, wanted me to go to River North (Lincoln / Peterson) where she had a room. (presumably Fat Albert's room).

Hope that is helpful.

Originally Posted by EyeEatAss [View Original Post]

Seemed nice over phone. Got to parking lot of hotel and saw her with a group of people. A black dude came by and asked for a jump. After telling him "No", I felt uncomfortable and took off. A few minutes later she calls yelling calling me a "b*tch" and threatens to give my number to some blacklist site.

Think I escaped a bad scene this time.

**EyeEatAss** · 10-23-21 02:59

Originally Posted by IndigoWalk [View Original Post]

Had seen Marissa last year with no incident (it was a flavor of the month thing. COVID did weird things to me to try a lot of different things out). She reached out to me last night and for whatever reason I bit. (more on that in another thread). I should have known something was off because she kept hard selling / pushing the two girl /"double trouble" even before the visit, when I was clear I just wanted a hhr trip to greece. Anyway, get there in the same place that everything was fine the first couple of visits, and she's still trying to aggressively sell the upgrade, and I'm starting to get comfortable with my shoes off - "let me bring her out. Hey Skittles. " and now between me and the door is a guy who has at least 6 inches on me, and with 30 years of youth on me as well.

All in all, a calm and professional robbery. I hand over the donation, all my pockets are searched, I got to keep my phone and car key. I brought nothing else with.

So it really doesn't matter if you pay upfront or not. That kind of situation is going to happen from time to time. Stay calm. I'm a little surprised repeat visitors would be robbed. Seems like a bad business practice. Anyone got insight on this?

https://chicago.skipthegames.com/fem...i/690593223679

To take the edge off, I did have a delightful hhr session with SageRose. Complete 180 degrees in body type. Big, Small, I like them all! LOL.

Seemed nice over phone. Got to parking lot of hotel and saw her with a group of people. A black dude came by and asked for a jump. After telling him "No", I felt uncomfortable and took off. A few minutes later she calls yelling calling me a "b*tch" and threatens to give my number to some blacklist site.

Think I escaped a bad scene this time.

**SleepOdyssey** · 10-23-21 02:11

Originally Posted by SGlider [View Original Post]

https://chicago.rubratings.com/245092

So I went into the city today and both of my plans fell through on me, so it left me scrambling to find anything. I came across this ad and she answered texts quickly. Instead of quoting me rates, she asks "Do you have $300?" I told her I did and asked if that included FS. She told me it did and she was near Diversey and Laramie. I had to the area and text her when I get there. Gives me the address of the apartment building across the street and says come on in. I walk up to the front door and it's locked. She calls me at that time and tells me she's actually across the street. I stay on the phone with her as I walk across the street and she tells me her friend is leaving and her friend will hold the door for me. I ask if her friend is a man or woman and she tells me he's a transgender person. Then she makes it a point to tell me "Make sure you have the donation out right when you walk in so I know you're not a cop. ".

So as if all the other things weren't off already, I finally decide to book out of there before her "friend" came to the door and possibly tried to rob me. One last thing, the pics are of a white or Hispanic woman. When she called me, it was clearly the voice of a black woman on the phone. I didn't want to stick around to find out if it was legit or not. Now her ad is stating $120 flash sale.

Just FYI. Be careful out there.

There's so many red flags here. You guys got to be careful about this stuff. I know your little head is telling you to go ahead and put up with these weird signs. But, you have to snap out of it or else you risk getting hurt or robbed. I don't want to sound condescending, but I don't think a real working lady will plainly ask you "Do you have $300". If her voice doesn't seem to match, leave. They might've been looking through a window too scoping out the area, when they tricked you telling you to cross the street.

Stay safe guys.

**LS4V8** · 10-22-21 16:54

Originally Posted by Jayp80 [View Original Post]

Please stop spreading these horrible lies about what's legal and illegal.

1) You do not have to exchange $ for it to be illegal, if you told the girl you'd buy her a Subway sandwich after the act. That's illegal.

(720 ILCS 5/11-14) (from Ch. 38, par. 11-14).

Sec. 11-14. Prostitution.

(a) Any person who knowingly performs, offers or agrees to perform any act of sexual penetration as defined in Section 11-0. 1 of this Code for anything of value, or any touching or fondling of the sex organs of one person by another person, for anything of value, for the purpose of sexual arousal or gratification commits an act of prostitution.

2) Male cops do touch and do get naked, many example on the AMP arrest articles and the one below. Female cops will probably not get naked but it wouldn't be off limits, if you watch some of the MSNBC shows they girls in the stings will hug and rub on the guys before the arrest.

https://apnews.com/article/york-pros...062f053484465b

The article you linked proved my point. That's in Pennsylvania. This is a section of the forum for CHICAGO, which is in ILLINOIS. In the state of Illinois, the protocol is still no nudity or touching for stings. And I don't see the geriatrics on the court in Springfield changing that anytime soon. Outside of Cook County, this is still a fairly conservative state. Good luck to any sheriff or prosecutor telling the public that their officers got naked and participated in sexual activity while on the public's dime.

Speaking of Cook County. Do you honestly think Kim Foxx is going to go after an iffy case of some horndog paying for sex? She drops felonies when they're dubious or weak cases. Paying for sex ranks way low on the list of priorities and the more cloudy the case, the more likely it'll be dropped or just not charged in the first place.

**Jayp80** · 10-22-21 14:49

Originally Posted by LS4V8 [View Original Post]

I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet. But paying up front removes the last threshold before they get you if it happens to be a LEO bust. If you read the IL criminal code, central to the crime of prostitution is the exchange of money for sex. And since cops are not allowed to get naked or touch for sting ops, they can't pay AFTER the fact. So as long as you keep your mouth shut, you still have room to beat the charge of solicitation or attempt long as the exchange of money hasn't taken place.

The only time I pay money upfront is if the girl's already fully or partially naked (Tits or pussy out) AND has been reported on positively or I've seen her before and I know she gives good service.

Please stop spreading these horrible lies about what's legal and illegal.

1) You do not have to exchange $ for it to be illegal, if you told the girl you'd buy her a Subway sandwich after the act. That's illegal.

(720 ILCS 5/11-14) (from Ch. 38, par. 11-14).

Sec. 11-14. Prostitution.

(a) Any person who knowingly performs, offers or agrees to perform any act of sexual penetration as defined in Section 11-0. 1 of this Code for anything of value, or any touching or fondling of the sex organs of one person by another person, for anything of value, for the purpose of sexual arousal or gratification commits an act of prostitution.

2) Male cops do touch and do get naked, many example on the AMP arrest articles and the one below. Female cops will probably not get naked but it wouldn't be off limits, if you watch some of the MSNBC shows they girls in the stings will hug and rub on the guys before the arrest.

https://apnews.com/article/york-pros...062f053484465b

**George Stark** · 10-22-21 13:34

Originally Posted by MrWhite627 [View Original Post]

I didn't want to waste my time so instead of asking them when I arrived, I asked them via text after the amount was agreed upon if they would do " Pay After Play ". I tried this with 30 to 40 different providers mostly from sites like EB, STGs etc. The replies that I received back were 100% NO!

That's what I'd expect, actually: at that point she's got no skin in the game. I'm pretty sure Ron said he'd go see the girl and then tell her he expected to pay after (and if she disagreed, he walked). At that point, she's spent the time waiting. But you've also spent the time driving. So when she still says no, which is apparently going to be (nearly) always, you're out all that time *plus* the trip back home. That's what motivated my initial questions about his batting average, which was never answered. At that point, I didn't really doubt him - I just wanted some idea of how much I'd have to go through.

I'll only insist on after if I've already had problems with the chick. That's happened twice. In one case, I just decided I didn't trust the b!tch not to harm me anyhow, because she was fucked up *worse* than drugs and booze could account for. . The other was Jessica, and that worked out, but the reports on her here got increasingly dire, so that only happened once.

I might try the 'drive there and insist on after' on this one, Mercedes Wave: https://escortbabylon.net/posts_list/7085221465/1 because she's pretty hot, but a girl using most of the same pics (possibly under a previous number) got multiple absolutely terrible reviews. (So bad that I'm unsure there's any way to get a good session out of her. Reports were that she actually *enjoyed* fucking wit guys.) And if she's in South Holland or Lansing, there's a bunch of other girls to go see if she doesn't go for it. And maybe that's the secret to the Ron approach: you try the pay after approach, and if it bombs and you're in a target-rich environment, you try it again with other girls, so it doesn't take a million trips. Or you settle on seeing one and paying before, but Ron denies that's ever happened, so who knows?

Again, this applies to LC girls, not agency or massage parlor.

**LS4V8** · 10-22-21 00:05

I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet. But paying up front removes the last threshold before they get you if it happens to be a LEO bust. If you read the IL criminal code, central to the crime of prostitution is the exchange of money for sex. And since cops are not allowed to get naked or touch for sting ops, they can't pay AFTER the fact. So as long as you keep your mouth shut, you still have room to beat the charge of solicitation or attempt long as the exchange of money hasn't taken place.

The only time I pay money upfront is if the girl's already fully or partially naked (Tits or pussy out) AND has been reported on positively or I've seen her before and I know she gives good service.

**SGlider** · 10-21-21 21:27

https://chicago.rubratings.com/245092

So I went into the city today and both of my plans fell through on me, so it left me scrambling to find anything. I came across this ad and she answered texts quickly. Instead of quoting me rates, she asks "Do you have $300?" I told her I did and asked if that included FS. She told me it did and she was near Diversey and Laramie. I had to the area and text her when I get there. Gives me the address of the apartment building across the street and says come on in. I walk up to the front door and it's locked. She calls me at that time and tells me she's actually across the street. I stay on the phone with her as I walk across the street and she tells me her friend is leaving and her friend will hold the door for me. I ask if her friend is a man or woman and she tells me he's a transgender person. Then she makes it a point to tell me "Make sure you have the donation out right when you walk in so I know you're not a cop. ".

So as if all the other things weren't off already, I finally decide to book out of there before her "friend" came to the door and possibly tried to rob me. One last thing, the pics are of a white or Hispanic woman. When she called me, it was clearly the voice of a black woman on the phone. I didn't want to stick around to find out if it was legit or not. Now her ad is stating $120 flash sale.

Just FYI. Be careful out there.

**IndigoWalk** · 10-21-21 19:19

Had seen Marissa last year with no incident (it was a flavor of the month thing. COVID did weird things to me to try a lot of different things out). She reached out to me last night and for whatever reason I bit. (more on that in another thread). I should have known something was off because she kept hard selling / pushing the two girl /"double trouble" even before the visit, when I was clear I just wanted a hhr trip to greece. Anyway, get there in the same place that everything was fine the first couple of visits, and she's still trying to aggressively sell the upgrade, and I'm starting to get comfortable with my shoes off - "let me bring her out. Hey Skittles. " and now between me and the door is a guy who has at least 6 inches on me, and with 30 years of youth on me as well.

All in all, a calm and professional robbery. I hand over the donation, all my pockets are searched, I got to keep my phone and car key. I brought nothing else with.

So it really doesn't matter if you pay upfront or not. That kind of situation is going to happen from time to time. Stay calm. I'm a little surprised repeat visitors would be robbed. Seems like a bad business practice. Anyone got insight on this?

https://chicago.skipthegames.com/fem...i/690593223679

To take the edge off, I did have a delightful hhr session with SageRose. Complete 180 degrees in body type. Big, Small, I like them all! LOL.

**George Stark** · 10-16-21 02:33

Originally Posted by Bkmsw [View Original Post]

Take Ron, I have asked and others have asked who specifically he has seen that agrees to take money after the fact.

I asked him for info, but I didn't even ask for that much, specifically. I just wanted to know what percent of the time the girl went for it, as opposed to how often the girl sending him packing. I asked multiple times. Crickets. I guess math is hard. 🤣.

Originally Posted by Bkmsw [View Original Post]

Someone else on this forum went through his last 250 or so posts and didn't find a single review on a specific girl.

That was me, too. If he'd actually given a girl a good review, then by his statement, that would be a girl that would accept payment after.

Of course, if a girl has good reviews, the issue of paying before or after is *much* less of an issue.

BTW, for me, this is all regarding paying of escorts, typically found on LC. It's not about deposits for incalls - that's always a hard no. It's not about tipping at massage parlors, I haven't been. And like others here, once I've seen a girl a few times, it often doesn't get handled until later in the events.

**Jinurso** · 10-12-21 22:20

Originally Posted by IndigoWalk [View Original Post]

"harrowing experiences" - losing $1,000 over 400 experiences by using good decision making? $2. 50 per transaction? Do you use credit cards which takes 3% per swipe?

And on top of that, in most of those cases I suspect the result would have been even more harrowing had I chosen not to pay.

The takeaway for me wasn't to stop paying upfront, it was to do a better job vetting the escorts.

**IndigoWalk** · 10-12-21 21:57

Originally Posted by RonM [View Original Post]

As you know I'm a Payment Afterwards proponent.

Those in favor of Payment Upfront gave me insight of why this method is best. I'm in agreement with most points. But it's not enough to convince me to ever pay upfront. Especially reading about Jinurso's harrowing personal experiences.

"harrowing experiences" - losing $1,000 over 400 experiences by using good decision making? $2. 50 per transaction? Do you use credit cards which takes 3% per swipe? Damn, in my business I have to make or break 10 K in decisions every day on who to do deals with and who not to. There are a lot of unprofessionals in the world, and you have to decide who to work with and who not to. And there are not that many businesses, or business professionals out there, so I'm like what? Something is off here. Please tell us more.

There is also a middle ground. At AMP's, sometimes the tip payment gets pushed to the end, and for me at least, has often never been negotiated, even at first time places. And my philosophy on the delayed pay at the end is: "thank you for not being a boner killer and I will tip generously" where "generously" probably means $20 over what might be the going rate for a L1, L2 or L3 (I think I am probably on point on L2 and L3, just tip more on L1 to get the street cred, and I'd tip $20 bucks no matter if I got a L1 or not). They will sometime negotiate in the middle of a sessions. I have sometimes negotiated a lower level based on their pricing, but I still pay mid session if they ask. I'm not in this to get the cheapest hand job possible, I just like to relax.

**PatientX1** · 10-12-21 13:23

Thanks to everyone who took time to post their experiences with paying before versus paying after. I was glad to read that I am not the only sucker who pays up front! I agree with the last post, not here to argue, just sharing my experience for those who are on the fence about this.

I have been hobbying for about 5 years and I never book a session without some research. No verifiable reviews, I move on, no matter how good they look. I always pay up front and I've never been ripped off after hundreds of sessions. It took a few years to build up my contact list, but at this point, I know more solid providers than I can ever possibly see in a year. I never have to worry about these ladies ripping me off. I have ladies on my list at every price point, including several lower tier ladies who are always available for those last minute, late night cravings, but are not scam artists.

If you enjoy the thrill of always meeting up with a different woman, or you enjoy finding the best bargain out there, then you will probably have more high risk encounters. But, if you take your time and do your research, there are many solid, well reviewed providers out there at every price point who are not looking to rip people off.

Deposits are another thing entirely. The woman would have to be very well known and reviewed, otherwise, no way.