"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[SeekingHead]

It seems that is the going rate (or more) for ppm for the top-of-the-line babes on SB. That's just too much for one session to me.

They booted me off SA a while back so I've actually gotten pretty good at weeding through the fake profiles on SB. Anyway, is there a good way of getting the 9+ babes down on these rates or do I just have to keep digging or pay the rate?

Are you guys running into this as well?

The most I have ever paid is $400, & that was to a girl who if she wouldn't have been 4'9 & instead 5'5 would have been a 9. 5.

If I get quoted $600 then I pass, or come back at them with a more lower $ amount.

[Apollo007]

It seems that is the going rate (or more) for ppm for the top-of-the-line babes on SB. That's just too much for one session to me.

They booted me off SA a while back so I've actually gotten pretty good at weeding through the fake profiles on SB. Anyway, is there a good way of getting the 9+ babes down on these rates or do I just have to keep digging or pay the rate?

Are you guys running into this as well?

[SeekingHead]

I generally have avoided the ones with kids as it just complicates things with scheduling etc in my experience. Though I did see one single mom whose kid was 5 or so and she would host. I would come over in the evening usually as she was putting the kid to bed. So he usually never saw me. Though he did wake up once at night, open the door and walked in seeing me taking his mom doggy style LOL.

For those who have seen single moms with young children (under 10, no 50/50), were they willing to host even if the kid was there? I assume this isn't common but maybe I'm wrong or maybe they are willing after a visit or two when they are comfortable.

I'm single so I can host, but I'd imagine after they are comfortable with you using their bed shouldn't be an issue. Especially if you have them on allowance vs. Ppm. You can tell them look I'm paying for the apartment, & they can't really argue with that. If they have kids then you have to be a bit flexible with their schedule.

[GoneForGood97]

I generally have avoided the ones with kids as it just complicates things with scheduling etc in my experience. Though I did see one single mom whose kid was 5 or so and she would host. I would come over in the evening usually as she was putting the kid to bed. So he usually never saw me. Though he did wake up once at night, open the door and walked in seeing me taking his mom doggy style LOL.

For those who have seen single moms with young children (under 10, no 50/50), were they willing to host even if the kid was there? I assume this isn't common but maybe I'm wrong or maybe they are willing after a visit or two when they are comfortable.

I've seen single moms and I've seen no kids girls. The single moms have been better 80-90% of the time. Even having to schedule around the kids, they have at least tiny bit of organization skills because they are managing their kid. The young girls with no kids are like herding cats. They are talking to you, their FwB, and some random tinder dude while also deciding whether or not they can see you before or after their BFFs party. You'd think no kids girls would be simpler, but in my experience they are way harder to pin down. I'm not saying unicorns don't exist, but it's rare.

Single moms, the best bet is if they live near enough to their parents they can just drop off kids before seeing you, or if they have a friendly enough relationship with Dad or joint custody, then you just schedule your visits when the kid is away. Even then, them hosting is not always guaranteed, but at this point I just budget hotel expenses into any arrangement I have, and if they end up being able to host that's a bonus. And as you mentioned, seeing them after kids are in bed works well, though the occasional "seeing mommy drilled from behind by a guy I don't know" incident is bound to happen. If the kids young enough they won't remember, and if they're old enough to remember their old enough to know better. Hopefully you learned to lock the bedroom door in the future (assuming the door does lock).

[DArrow404]

A lot of single moms on the site who if you treat good will bend over backwards for you. A lot of them have dealt with looser's who donated some sperm & then dropped out of sight. I've had a few arrangements with single moms were if I asked them to become a full time girlfriend & move in with me they would have. It's not always about the money with some of these women, treat them good & you will reap the rewards.

I generally have avoided the ones with kids as it just complicates things with scheduling etc in my experience. Though I did see one single mom whose kid was 5 or so and she would host. I would come over in the evening usually as she was putting the kid to bed. So he usually never saw me. Though he did wake up once at night, open the door and walked in seeing me taking his mom doggy style LOL.

For those who have seen single moms with young children (under 10, no 50/50), were they willing to host even if the kid was there? I assume this isn't common but maybe I'm wrong or maybe they are willing after a visit or two when they are comfortable.

[GoneForGood97]

Amber.

https://members.seeking.com/member/0...1-130a2bccff9b

Thought I'd save some of you the trouble, she's only looking to sell content and direct you to her Olyfans. If you can, please report her so we can get her off the site and somewhere more appropriate for her goals.

[SeekingHead]

Last time in the bowl, over the course of a month I sorted through six POTs, sex with 5, weekend m / g with one. She was the keeper, it's been more than a year. Never paid more than 250, none asked for ppm in advance, none required more than a couple of days chatting to set up the first date, and of the 5 who ended up in the sack, 4 were single moms who wanted to be appreciated. Be nice, get to the point without being vulgar. And I recommend keep the age over 25. Younger than that and the BS factor goes up exponentially.

A lot of single moms on the site who if you treat good will bend over backwards for you. A lot of them have dealt with looser's who donated some sperm & then dropped out of sight. I've had a few arrangements with single moms were if I asked them to become a full time girlfriend & move in with me they would have. It's not always about the money with some of these women, treat them good & you will reap the rewards.

[Hal1957]

Last time in the bowl, over the course of a month I sorted through six POTs, sex with 5, weekend m / g with one. She was the keeper, it's been more than a year. Never paid more than 250, none asked for ppm in advance, none required more than a couple of days chatting to set up the first date, and of the 5 who ended up in the sack, 4 were single moms who wanted to be appreciated. Be nice, get to the point without being vulgar. And I recommend keep the age over 25. Younger than that and the BS factor goes up exponentially.

I've had some last 2-4 hours, some last less than 45 minutes (when that happened I never bothered to see her again), and the occasional overnight... you're focusing on THEIR needs and are being considerate of their time. If they seem to want to put a really short time limit on things, punt the ball and mention it sounds like they are super busy that day, and maybe you guys should meet up on a day when they aren't quite so pressed for time.

[DArrow404]

She told me 500.

What's funny is I even offered lets meet up to discuss and worst case you get a free nice meal out of it. However, she refused saying she's too busy. LOL. 400 and she's too busy but 500 is ok. Hmm.

[Plisknoob1]

I tried some more to get her to give a range etc but she wouldn't only that "her price is higher than others". So threw out 400 with no real intention of going through with it. She said that wasn't enough. GPS confirmed. Amazes me that she is expecting that. It's not like she's in her early 20's with a fantastic body. Anyway time to move on.

She told me 500.

[DudeNextDoor]

This is a really excellent post.

I've had some last 2-4 hours, some last less than 45 minutes (when that happened I never bothered to see her again), and the occasional overnight.

Although there are some actual "pros" and "escorts" on the site, a lot of the real girls on there aren't familiar with the escort business, and so aren't used to thinking about things in terms of time. Once I've developed a rapport with a baby (and established they're real) I'll start by asking what type of arrangement they're comfortable with. Once they tell you what they want (weekly, monthly, ppm), I'll agree that I'm looking for the same, but I think it's important to develop trust and establish chemistry. Depending on how they respond I'll generally guide the conversation to a point whey they agree with the "develop trust etc" statement, and then I ask them when they'd be available to meet. Assuming I've done a good job earlier developing a good rapport with them they'll normally say something like "tomorrow" or "this Saturday" or whatever.

Once we nail down a day and time, I ask them if they can host. This is usually the crux of the entire conversation, not because of how they answer, but because it establishes you're looking to meet in private. If they say sure, then I'll ask what they're comfortably with sexually, furthering driving home the point that this is a hookup, not just a meet and greet. At that point normally they'll bring up donation amount and I'll negotiate that.

On the other hand, if they say they can't host because of XYZ (roommate, kids, whatever) then I ask are they comfortable meeting directly at a hotel or would they rather grab a coffee or drink first. If they say they can meet at the hotel, then I move the conversation back to what they enjoy sexually, again, to establish that we will be fucking. If they want coffee or a drink first, I ask where they'd like to meet up at. Sometimes this will get them to ask about $, which I reply that although I will happily pay for coffee or drinks to establish chemistry, I can only pay $ once we've established intimacy. If she balks at this point, I normally wish them a good day and move on to the next one, but more often than not if you offer to pay for coffee and meet them to make sure they're comfortable, they will agree to meet for coffee or that drink. Once they've agreed to coffee, I'll ask them what they would like to do if we hit it off and they want to move forward with the arrangement. If they say they'll move forward if coffee goes well, then I ask them what they are comfortable with sexually and go through the process I repeated earlier.

There's no trick here. Just be polite, ask them what they are comfortable with, and lead them towards the inevitable conclusion that this meet up will include sex. Once they establish they are comfortable with that and you've established when to meet, ask them what else they are doing that day, since you want to be considerate of their time. Normally they'll mention "Oh, I have a babysitter and can only meet a couple of hours" or "I have to be done by 4 pm to go into work" or whatever their timeline is. This is great because instead of asking "how long we fucking" which is going to turn a lot of women off and make them feel used, you're focusing on THEIR needs and are being considerate of their time. If they seem to want to put a really short time limit on things, punt the ball and mention it sounds like they are super busy that day, and maybe you guys should meet up on a day when they aren't quite so pressed for time.

[Airmantroy]

I've had some last 2-4 hours, some last less than 45 minutes (when that happened I never bothered to see her again), and the occasional overnight.

Although there are some actual "pros" and "escorts" on the site, a lot of the real girls on there aren't familiar with the escort business, and so aren't used to thinking about things in terms of time. Once I've developed a rapport with a baby (and established they're real) I'll start by asking what type of arrangement they're comfortable with. Once they tell you what they want (weekly, monthly, ppm), I'll agree that I'm looking for the same, but I think it's important to develop trust and establish chemistry. Depending on how they respond I'll generally guide the conversation to a point whey they agree with the "develop trust etc" statement, and then I ask them when they'd be available to meet. Assuming I've done a good job earlier developing a good rapport with them they'll normally say something like "tomorrow" or "this Saturday" or whatever.

Once we nail down a day and time, I ask them if they can host. This is usually the crux of the entire conversation, not because of how they answer, but because it establishes you're looking to meet in private. If they say sure, then I'll ask what they're comfortably with sexually, furthering driving home the point that this is a hookup, not just a meet and greet. At that point normally they'll bring up donation amount and I'll negotiate that.

On the other hand, if they say they can't host because of XYZ (roommate, kids, whatever) then I ask are they comfortable meeting directly at a hotel or would they rather grab a coffee or drink first. If they say they can meet at the hotel, then I move the conversation back to what they enjoy sexually, again, to establish that we will be fucking. If they want coffee or a drink first, I ask where they'd like to meet up at. Sometimes this will get them to ask about $, which I reply that although I will happily pay for coffee or drinks to establish chemistry, I can only pay $ once we've established intimacy. If she balks at this point, I normally wish them a good day and move on to the next one, but more often than not if you offer to pay for coffee and meet them to make sure they're comfortable, they will agree to meet for coffee or that drink. Once they've agreed to coffee, I'll ask them what they would like to do if we hit it off and they want to move forward with the arrangement. If they say they'll move forward if coffee goes well, then I ask them what they are comfortable with sexually and go through the process I repeated earlier.

You are 100% on point with this. Always make them comfortable, even if you already know they are a "pro", it works in your favor, just don't be the guy loaning money a week later and never hearing from her again. Anytime they ask for something after the first meet always ask, Whats in it for me? And makes sure it's in your favor financially.

[GoneForGood97]

Hi.

I am new to this part of the game. I had a few questions, how long in time does a ppm usually run? Is it understood what's going to happen or am I saying it? If I can find someone, not crazy in allowance, fun and twice a month. I am happy guy.

I've had some last 2-4 hours, some last less than 45 minutes (when that happened I never bothered to see her again), and the occasional overnight.

Although there are some actual "pros" and "escorts" on the site, a lot of the real girls on there aren't familiar with the escort business, and so aren't used to thinking about things in terms of time. Once I've developed a rapport with a baby (and established they're real) I'll start by asking what type of arrangement they're comfortable with. Once they tell you what they want (weekly, monthly, ppm), I'll agree that I'm looking for the same, but I think it's important to develop trust and establish chemistry. Depending on how they respond I'll generally guide the conversation to a point whey they agree with the "develop trust etc" statement, and then I ask them when they'd be available to meet. Assuming I've done a good job earlier developing a good rapport with them they'll normally say something like "tomorrow" or "this Saturday" or whatever.

Once we nail down a day and time, I ask them if they can host. This is usually the crux of the entire conversation, not because of how they answer, but because it establishes you're looking to meet in private. If they say sure, then I'll ask what they're comfortably with sexually, furthering driving home the point that this is a hookup, not just a meet and greet. At that point normally they'll bring up donation amount and I'll negotiate that.

On the other hand, if they say they can't host because of XYZ (roommate, kids, whatever) then I ask are they comfortable meeting directly at a hotel or would they rather grab a coffee or drink first. If they say they can meet at the hotel, then I move the conversation back to what they enjoy sexually, again, to establish that we will be fucking. If they want coffee or a drink first, I ask where they'd like to meet up at. Sometimes this will get them to ask about $, which I reply that although I will happily pay for coffee or drinks to establish chemistry, I can only pay $ once we've established intimacy. If she balks at this point, I normally wish them a good day and move on to the next one, but more often than not if you offer to pay for coffee and meet them to make sure they're comfortable, they will agree to meet for coffee or that drink. Once they've agreed to coffee, I'll ask them what they would like to do if we hit it off and they want to move forward with the arrangement. If they say they'll move forward if coffee goes well, then I ask them what they are comfortable with sexually and go through the process I repeated earlier.

There's no trick here. Just be polite, ask them what they are comfortable with, and lead them towards the inevitable conclusion that this meet up will include sex. Once they establish they are comfortable with that and you've established when to meet, ask them what else they are doing that day, since you want to be considerate of their time. Normally they'll mention "Oh, I have a babysitter and can only meet a couple of hours" or "I have to be done by 4 pm to go into work" or whatever their timeline is. This is great because instead of asking "how long we fucking" which is going to turn a lot of women off and make them feel used, you're focusing on THEIR needs and are being considerate of their time. If they seem to want to put a really short time limit on things, punt the ball and mention it sounds like they are super busy that day, and maybe you guys should meet up on a day when they aren't quite so pressed for time.

[DArrow404]

I got her number but still nothing about $$.

I tried some more to get her to give a range etc but she wouldn't only that "her price is higher than others". So threw out 400 with no real intention of going through with it. She said that wasn't enough. GPS confirmed. Amazes me that she is expecting that. It's not like she's in her early 20's with a fantastic body. Anyway time to move on.

[WoodstockShane]

Hi.

I am new to this part of the game. I had a few questions, how long in time does a ppm usually run? Is it understood what's going to happen or am I saying it? If I can find someone, not crazy in allowance, fun and twice a month. I am happy guy.

Lots of women on SA don't have a set time for your meetings. Many of them treat it as a date. For instance, if you take a sugar baby to dinner, and its been agreed upon that you're planning on some sexy time, that is assumed to be part of your "meeting". I've had dates with sugar babies last as short as two hours, to as long as 5-8 hours, with the occasional overnight. If you find someone on SA charging strictly by the hour, you know she's basically an escort. For me, that's not why I'm on that site. You'll have to spend some time talking to, messaging with, and perhaps having a few casual meet and greets to check compatibility (Nothing paid to her over and above the cost of drinks / food etc). It can get tedious, but it can be well worth the upfront effort on your part.

Stay frosty dude.