Seeking Arrangement

[LoVecchio]

I was doing the SB thing via SA for a couple years so I have some personal experience answers.
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3) it's a mixed bag. I'd guess 20% are just prostitutes, another 20% are looking to sell content and FaceTime and will never meet in person. 10% are in it for the SB lifestyle; they want vacations, shopping sprees etc. The majority of the other 50% are single moms and girls with little education and are seriously under-employed and desperate for money. Wait till the holidays: the number of new women on there will soar.

These figures seem roughly correct, in my experience, although they've changed over time. Since Covid, a lot more girls are saying, "Gee, I'd love to meet, but with the pandemic it would have to be online only. " SA used to have a policy (I'm not sure it was ever enforced) against online-only arrangements. There is also another category of girl: those who really have no interest in either meeting or in selling content. They just like the attention that they get on the site.

4) Ahh, you must be looking for straight up prostitutes if you expect their profiles to give a price list. If none exists then just ask them AFTER you've messaged a few times if you want a real SB relationship. If your first text is "What are your prices and do you do anal?" (I've had several tell me they get those kind of messages) a legit SB will ignore you or tell you to FO. Start with "So anyway, let's talk about business. " Even the real SBs know it's all about the money, honey.

Talkiing about sex and money is the fastest route to being thrown off the site (with no refund). Any such discussions should be off-site.

5) I had a few- very few- get cold feet and no-show or cancel last minute. These are women desperate for money but have never had sex for compensation before and can't go through with it.

I've had a few of those. Some I think just couldn't go through with it at the last minute. A couple of them, looking back, I think had no intention of ever meeting. Fortunately, I have been careful and never paid for a room for a no-show.

If you go the SB route keep one thing in your head as sure as death and taxes. I don't care if you've been seeing her for 6 months. I don't care if she says she loves you. Not one in 1000 will give you the time of day if it weren't for your money. You might get a random platonic meeting now and then if you're otherwise very generous or give her an allowance. But she's only there for the money, period. Don't ever forget it.

Actually, I've had a couple of experiences where the girls would have continued seeing me because they got very attached, a couple where they volunteered that they would take less money per meet if we could meet more often, and one where she said that if we got another girl to join us, anything the second girl was paid could come out of her allowance. I have never cut back or eliminated what I was paying because I didn't want to send the wrong signals about commitment. (I'm married, and happily so.).

I will say that throughout my sixties, my sex life has never been better as a consequence of SA, and I've met some really terrific girls.

[Rochestarian]

Just got back in SA after a few year absence. Two things immediately jump out to me as very different than my experience around 2018. I wanted to some of you experienced guys' take on it.

1. I get favorited (frequeny) and messaged (sometimes) for women from other countries (sometimes in the US, but far away). I'm talking 10 times a day minimum. Like what is some Venezuelan hottie going to do for me in terms of a Sb relationship? I usually block and move in, but it's annoying.

2. I get messages of woman who want to get together, we message shared interests, we even take it to texting to work out the arrangement, do some light flirting, maybe some sexting, etc. 20+ messages in I look at the activity tab on her SA profile and she hasn't even looked at my profile yet. There are at least 8 girls that to going back abd forth with right now that haven't even looked at my profile, yet have have lots of back and forth texts / messages with me.

Not sure if I'm doing a good job explaining it. See pic.

I know the chicks from foreign countries are likely scammers (or want to sell pics as if porn wasn't free), but are the "no look girls" also scammers? I haven't been asked to send money yet (and I'd never be stupid enough to do so).

What do you guys think? Is this a hack to see if a girl is a likely scammer?

Considering the time investment, I just blindly hide the overseas girls who likes my profiles. For the local girls, I will check if they have seen my profile or not. It increases the confidence level. However, I have seen real girls who like or chat without viewing my profile and they are most likely be pros.

[OaklandT309]

So some questions.

1. Does using a pay to play site remove much of the BS from free sites?

2. How do you eliminate the BS, from the real deal?

3. Are most looking for an SB experience or a pay per meet up experience?

4. I notice many ladies are not posting clear rates they tend to be coy in comms. How do you broach the subject?

5. How many at the last moment regret and dash.

I was doing the SB thing via SA for a couple years so I have some personal experience answers.

1) A P2P site removes a little of the BS. There's still plenty of fakes and scammers.

2) try to arrange a meet & greet and make it clear you're only going to pay for lunch / dinner. This assumes you want an actual SB, not a straight up prostitute. Their reply / willingness to meet knowing they aren't getting money will be your first clue.

3) it's a mixed bag. I'd guess 20% are just prostitutes, another 20% are looking to sell content and FaceTime and will never meet in person. 10% are in it for the SB lifestyle; they want vacations, shopping sprees etc. The majority of the other 50% are single moms and girls with little education and are seriously under-employed and desperate for money. Wait till the holidays: the number of new women on there will soar.

4) Ahh, you must be looking for straight up prostitutes if you expect their profiles to give a price list. If none exists then just ask them AFTER you've messaged a few times if you want a real SB relationship. If your first text is "What are your prices and do you do anal?" (I've had several tell me they get those kind of messages) a legit SB will ignore you or tell you to FO. Start with "So anyway, let's talk about business. " Even the real SBs know it's all about the money, honey.

5) I had a few- very few- get cold feet and no-show or cancel last minute. These are women desperate for money but have never had sex for compensation before and can't go through with it.

If you go the SB route keep one thing in your head as sure as death and taxes. I don't care if you've been seeing her for 6 months. I don't care if she says she loves you. Not one in 1000 will give you the time of day if it weren't for your money. You might get a random platonic meeting now and then if you're otherwise very generous or give her an allowance. But she's only there for the money, period. Don't ever forget it.

[LoVecchio]

Just got back in SA after a few year absence. Two things immediately jump out to me as very different than my experience around 2018. I wanted to some of you experienced guys' take on it.

1. I get favorited (frequeny) and messaged (sometimes) for women from other countries (sometimes in the US, but far away). I'm talking 10 times a day minimum. Like what is some Venezuelan hottie going to do for me in terms of a Sb relationship? I usually block and move in, but it's annoying.

2. I get messages of woman who want to get together, we message shared interests, we even take it to texting to work out the arrangment, do some light flirting, maybe some sexting, etc. 20+ messages in I look at the activity tab on her SA profile and she hasn't even looked at my profile yet. There are at least 8 girls that to going back abd forth with right now that haven't even looked at my profile, yet have have lots of back and forth texts / messages with me.

Not sure if I'm doing a good job explaining it. See pic.

I know the chicks from foreign countries are likely scammers (or want to sell pics as if porn wasn't free), but are the "no look girls" also scammers? I haven't been asked to send money yet (and I'd never be stupid enough to do so).

What do you guys think? Is this a hack to see if a girl is a likely scammer?

Don't read too much into the fact that their profile doesn't indicate that they have looked at you. You can choose on your profile whether people you look at can see that you've looked at them (and also set it to show, or not, whether you have favorited them). I usually keep my profile set so that it doesn't show either viewing or favoriting (and then turn it on when I want them to know that I've done either).

As for the girls from Venezuela, Colombia, the Phillipines, etc. , I haven't figured out what they are after. Also, I get favorited (or messaged) by girls in the states (far away) whose profile doesn't suggest that they would be selling porn; I haven't been able to figure out what many of those are after, either.

[MyWagoneer]

Just got back in SA after a few year absence. Two things immediately jump out to me as very different than my experience around 2018. I wanted to some of you experienced guys' take on it.

1. I get favorited (frequeny) and messaged (sometimes) for women from other countries (sometimes in the US, but far away). I'm talking 10 times a day minimum. Like what is some Venezuelan hottie going to do for me in terms of a Sb relationship? I usually block and move in, but it's annoying.

2. I get messages of woman who want to get together, we message shared interests, we even take it to texting to work out the arrangment, do some light flirting, maybe some sexting, etc. 20+ messages in I look at the activity tab on her SA profile and she hasn't even looked at my profile yet. There are at least 8 girls that to going back abd forth with right now that haven't even looked at my profile, yet have have lots of back and forth texts / messages with me.

Not sure if I'm doing a good job explaining it. See pic.

I know the chicks from foreign countries are likely scammers (or want to sell pics as if porn wasn't free), but are the "no look girls" also scammers? I haven't been asked to send money yet (and I'd never be stupid enough to do so).

What do you guys think? Is this a hack to see if a girl is a likely scammer?

I'm sure the majority of overseas favorites are scams. However I know of a couple of guys who, pre-covid, who struck up conversations with some of these women. They ended up going to Columbia and Venezuela with a small group of guys, got a nice Air B / B and had these women bring some friends around for a fun weekend. Travel costs aside, the investment was significantly less to hang out with these women than it is here at home.

Admittedly these were probably needles in a haystack and I can't imagine the effort that would go into it. But if it pays off its a helluva vacation. Ha.

[Jackknoff]

Just got back in SA after a few year absence. Two things immediately jump out to me as very different than my experience around 2018. I wanted to some of you experienced guys' take on it.

1. I get favorited (frequeny) and messaged (sometimes) for women from other countries (sometimes in the US, but far away). I'm talking 10 times a day minimum. Like what is some Venezuelan hottie going to do for me in terms of a Sb relationship? I usually block and move in, but it's annoying.

2. I get messages of woman who want to get together, we message shared interests, we even take it to texting to work out the arrangment, do some light flirting, maybe some sexting, etc. 20+ messages in I look at the activity tab on her SA profile and she hasn't even looked at my profile yet. There are at least 8 girls that to going back abd forth with right now that haven't even looked at my profile, yet have have lots of back and forth texts / messages with me.

Not sure if I'm doing a good job explaining it. See pic.

I know the chicks from foreign countries are likely scammers (or want to sell pics as if porn wasn't free), but are the "no look girls" also scammers? I haven't been asked to send money yet (and I'd never be stupid enough to do so).

What do you guys think? Is this a hack to see if a girl is a likely scammer?

[Jay23]

Excuse my ignorance but what is a VPN?

Thanks.

https://nordvpn.com/download/

[BigBootyFan]

Don't use the same card / address and use a VPN. I got my 2nd account banned because I was stupid enough to use the same CC number to sign up again.

Excuse my ignorance but what is a VPN?

Thanks.

[JoeDocks11]

How do people get banned from there. It seems to happen a lot.

By discussing dollar amounts in messages.

[Jay23]

Hi does anyone know how to make a new account after being banned?

I've got a temporary account right now with different pictures and a different email.

Can you pay with a visa gift card and use a fake name? Thank you.

Don't use the same card / address and use a VPN. I got my 2nd account banned because I was stupid enough to use the same CC number to sign up again.

[Wiggles0923]

How do people get banned from there. It seems to happen a lot.

Hi does anyone know how to make a new account after being banned?

I've got a temporary account right now with different pictures and a different email.

Can you pay with a visa gift card and use a fake name? Thank you.

[BigBootyFan]

Hi does anyone know how to make a new account after being banned?

I've got a temporary account right now with different pictures and a different email.

Can you pay with a visa gift card and use a fake name? Thank you.

[Banger7]

Did anyone else notice the lack of Friends with Benefits seeking filter? I have had some success filtering using that but since it's removed now, how are people searching for Sis who are open to FWB arrangements? I believe the NSA tag should help but haven't had the best success.

[DrStrange2]

What is with this site this time around. Way to many scammers and they are working overtime. I hate wasting my time talking to someone set up a time and date to meet for them to only say hours before "hey I just realized I need gas money" or whatever "can you send me something first.

The one before was awesome but she went ghost. So I created an account again. Does anyone have any good recommendations any help would be greatly appreciated. PM if you prefer.

Thanks in advance.

[WanderingAbout]

Someone else replied to the questions below. Also recommend you read posts on the Richmond board. Lots of info there.

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...mateurs-or-Not

So some questions.

1. Does using a pay to play site remove much of the BS from free sites?

2. How do you eliminate the BS, from the real deal?

3. Are most looking for an SB experience or a pay per meet up experience?

4. I notice many ladies are not posting clear rates they tend to be coy in comms. How do you broach the subject?

5. How many at the last moment regret and dash.