"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

**Kwagmire** · 10-03-21 09:16

Originally Posted by Shampoo55 [View Original Post]

But part of this is the fault of WYP a sister site to SA that VERY EMPHATICALLY points out that sex should not be expected on a date. So many desperate Simps sign up and pay girls for essentially companionship. Here's $200 to eat my food and drink alcohol I paid for, and perhaps ypu'll fuck me later? Some of those girls graduate to SA with the same attitude. Also, SA doesn't help matters either.

But the sites don't help matters either. In order to have paying guys, you have to have GIRLS! So they paint a picture of easy riches, lavish life styles, etc to get women to join. It is amazing how many girls get sucked in by this illusion.

A current SB, college educated, signed up because she bought the "lavish lifestyle" shtick SA promotes. No critical thinking out there these days. Shoot, I went round and round with a hood rat that, even after a $200 FC visit, was convinced she should get $2,000/ month "allowance" PLUS shopping trips, dinners out, vacations, etc. Oh, and maybe once a week visit to her Apt, in the hood, for a one pop, everything covered date. These girls buy into the fantasy and the fact that a few Simps pay that only reinforces their "beliefs!

I agree the pandemic and proliferation of online services such as Only Fans and such has sped up the "decline" in the affordability and value equation in this industry / hobby. I believe, however, that it started after the fall of backpage and the institution of FOSTA / SESTA, which makes (some) websites liable for what their users post online. If a user of SA or WYP is overt about offering up or looking for sex for money, the website is liable and can be prosecuted for promoting prostitution. They have to shut that down in order to be allowed to continue to exist.

Recall when this site shut down immediately following this ruling? The owners did that in response to the new law, and emerged again, thankfully, under a new operating model.

Other sites take a different approach -- SA and WYP have to overtly say that the sites are for dating only, not for transactional arrangements. And since it's not against the law for a girl to want to find a rich, stupid guy to string along, some of them try (and succeed, it seems. A fool and his money and all that). But the savvy people who can read through the lines are able to find what they want. Just takes more wading through the muck than it used to.

Still, guys should hold the line. An "arrangement" for most people isn't "pretty girl gets gifts and money for existing. " Girls in today's society are so valued, pedestalized and fawned upon they need to be reminded that an arrangement is for both parties to trade what they have for what the other doesn't. I. e. Man shares his wealth, experience, mentorship (the things he has) in exchange for intimate time with a co-ed less than half his age (the things he doesn't have) AND the girl gets the things she doesn't have (wealth, experiences, advice, gifts) in exchange for sharing what she has (her youth, beauty, perfect body and carefree, fun companionship).

**Geechie Dan** · 10-03-21 09:07

Originally Posted by BigOne73 [View Original Post]

She only quoted me 350, but I had to show her a picture first.

Or she realized she was in the wrong market for that price. Who knows?

**Shampoo55** · 10-03-21 04:20

Originally Posted by Doug22 [View Original Post]

I've had a couple of friends through the years. My situation is kinda unique so I haven't had much luck on the SB sites. In fact most of my friends came from AM. I've met a few ladies for one time visits since my last baby, but I'm looking for a more stable arrangement. Anyway, it's been a while since me last SB so I was dipping my toes in again and have even been on Red. It. My question is who is paying for these online only relationships or OF subscriptions. I've got five senses not two I want to experience the touch, smell and taste as well as the site and sound. If you only need sight and sound you can go to that hub site for free. Boy things have changed a lot lately.

I'm guessing that, for the mos part, it is the new crop of mongers that have gone through their first divorce, have disposable income or just wandered into the hobby from internet searches. This is the problem with the hobby these days. Dudes who don't understand the game, etc. Way too many Simps out there that will pay whatever a girl asks.

Some theorize that the Pandemic free flowing funds had something to do with it. Once restrictions were lifted there still was a lot of Stimi $ sloshing around and lonely dudes went to spend it on hookers they found while doing bored lockdown searches. They found the girls, they didn't find the education. Girls only do that stuff and ask for high rates because some Simp was paying it.

But part of this is the fault of WYP a sister site to SA that VERY EMPHATICALLY points out that sex should not be expected on a date. So many desperate Simps sign up and pay girls for essentially companionship. Here's $200 to eat my food and drink alcohol I paid for, and perhaps ypu'll fuck me later? Some of those girls graduate to SA with the same attitude. Also, SA doesn't help matters either.

But the sites don't help matters either. In order to have paying guys, you have to have GIRLS! So they paint a picture of easy riches, lavish life styles, etc to get women to join. It is amazing how many girls get sucked in by this illusion.

A current SB, college educated, signed up because she bought the "lavish lifestyle" shtick SA promotes. No critical thinking out there these days. Shoot, I went round and round with a hood rat that, even after a $200 FC visit, was convinced she should get $2,000/ month "allowance" PLUS shopping trips, dinners out, vacations, etc. Oh, and maybe once a week visit to her Apt, in the hood, for a one pop, everything covered date. These girls buy into the fantasy and the fact that a few Simps pay that only reinforces their "beliefs!

So like you mentioned, just say NO! If the majority of dudes stick to their guns, things may revert to where they were. Online is the only place you see this "Inflation. " One can still get head off the streets for 20-30 and FS for 40. AMPs for the most part are still 40/60-100. The "Internet Generation" is apparently good and finding stuff, but could use some help drilling down to the reality for prices and "how to" approach the hobby and stay safe.

So hang in there! Hopefully in 6-months we transition back a bit?

**Doug22** · 10-01-21 11:45

I've had a couple of friends through the years. My situation is kinda unique so I haven't had much luck on the SB sites. In fact most of my friends came from AM. I've met a few ladies for one time visits since my last baby, but I'm looking for a more stable arrangement. Anyway, it's been a while since me last SB so I was dipping my toes in again and have even been on Red. It. My question is who is paying for these online only relationships or OF subscriptions. I've got five senses not two I want to experience the touch, smell and taste as well as the site and sound. If you only need sight and sound you can go to that hub site for free. Boy things have changed a lot lately.

**BigOne73** · 10-01-21 11:28

Originally Posted by GeechieDan [View Original Post]

https://www.seeking.com/member/aaf8c...7-73b78f2412f2

Wants 900 ppm.

She only quoted me 350, but I had to show her a picture first.

**ErkTheOne** · 09-29-21 08:03

Originally Posted by SBmidlo [View Original Post]

She is actually in Radford VA about 3+ hours away, not Richmond https://members.seeking.com/member/a...8-70375f35a815.

Fun to talk to and seems DTF if you're the traveling type.

And she gave me the "I'm definitely down to meet up, but I like to start online for a few weeks to get to know each other better". Funny how they all disappear when I say I'm happy to chat and get to know each other and then once we get together then we can discuss allowance or whatever. Hopefully others are having better luck.

**Member #7176** · 09-28-21 21:40

https://members.seeking.com/member/b...3-6b675fc7ce3b

Katy lives in NOVA, but she had family down in Stafford. She drops her son there for babysitting on our weekend dates. Her pics are accurate. She doesn't have much of a chest or ass, and has a little bit of baby damage. I love the way she moves her hips gets me every time. She drives, and doesn't host. She was a new SB, but decided to drop her. She started coming to out dates high and not on weed. She kept saying she would stop. She going through some family problems, but still not a good reason to use the hard drugs. She was fun, but just didn't want to deal with someone on hard drugs. Hopefully, she slows down, before it becomes a real problem.

**Geechie Dan** · 09-27-21 23:36

https://members.seeking.com/member/1...6-b8025d94b3ac

Everything was going well via text until she asked me to send her money upfront to show my "commitment". You have been warned.

**SBmidlo** · 09-27-21 18:48

Originally Posted by SBmidlo [View Original Post]

She is actually in Radford VA about 3+ hours away, not Richmond https://members.seeking.com/member/a...8-70375f35a815.

Fun to talk to and seems DTF if you're the traveling type.

Edit: She has since updated her location to Roanoke. Guess she got a lot of pushback.

**SBmidlo** · 09-27-21 15:16

She is actually in Radford VA about 3+ hours away, not Richmond https://members.seeking.com/member/a...8-70375f35a815.

Fun to talk to and seems DTF if you're the traveling type.

**TheHobbyLobby** · 09-27-21 12:28

So this is strange. I was logged out of my SA account. I forogt my password and had it reset. I typed in new password and SA sent out a code because I have two factor authentication. I never got it. My first question is does SA no longer send text to Google Voice numbers anymore?

Well I decided to create a new profile. I have filled out everything and put in pictures in my private pictures area. However, for some reason my profile was empty and it was saying profile incomplete. It said I was missing a picture which I already had two in my private area. When I put a pic in public picture I was able to view profile and you could read all of my descriptions. However, as soon as I took that pic to private it it head all of my text in profiie. So do I need to have public photo showing to have women view my profile?

**RedBaron69** · 09-24-21 21:34

Originally Posted by SBmidlo [View Original Post]

This one messaged me this morning and we switched to text: Charlotteludi1 https://members.seeking.com/member/e...a-44b2be144ada.

She says she is over in the U. K. At the present time collecting her $12.5 Million dollars inheritance from her Dad passing away. Odd since her last login says she is in the States. Hope it's true so I can be her SB! But I think we all know how this one is going to work out. Anyone else getting the same story?

Same text number or a chic with a profile named Charlotte, The chick under the original profile has sent many pics an has never asked for anything. Says she is an army nurse. Kinda crazy, the new profile is a wack job, I have been scamming her back and forth. LOL.

It's fun to scam the dumb scammer. LOL 😂.

**Ernest Ll** · 09-24-21 09:48

Originally Posted by SBmidlo [View Original Post]

Stay away from this one guys. Reverse image search of her profile pic and the ones she will text you are of a Brazilian porn star named Janessa Brazil. Asked her what time it was in Leeds where she says she is and she said EST. Complete scammer.

Pretty face with average body seems to be the common thread of scammers.

Powhatan would also set off my spidey senses -- why wouldn't you just put RVA? As if anyone we searching in Powhatan.

**SBmidlo** · 09-23-21 22:38

Originally Posted by SBmidlo [View Original Post]

This one messaged me this morning and we switched to text: Charlotteludi1 https://members.seeking.com/member/e...a-44b2be144ada.

She says she is over in the U. K. At the present time collecting her $12.5 Million dollars inheritance from her Dad passing away. Odd since her last login says she is in the States. Hope it's true so I can be her SB! But I think we all know how this one is going to work out. Anyone else getting the same story?

Stay away from this one guys. Reverse image search of her profile pic and the ones she will text you are of a Brazilian porn star named Janessa Brazil. Asked her what time it was in Leeds where she says she is and she said EST. Complete scammer.