"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[VirgilToole]

I'm not sure that's a fair characterization. Most of the data I've seen indicates that the IgG test is better than 90% accurate. Sure, it's not as good as a PCR test, but what else can an asymptomatic individual do to check their status? That's why most of the STD testing services recommend two tests if you think you've been exposed to HSV-2; the first at 30-45 days post exposure, the second at 90 days. If both tests produce the same result, the confidence is that result is very high.

Eh, I have to take issue with this one too because you're creating the impression that condoms offer no protection against HSV-2. That is obviously not true. Condoms are very effective at preventing the transmission of HSV-2 from men to women, but are less effective at protecting men from transmission from a HSV-2 positive female partner. This is because the male is typically exposed to a substantial amount of fluid / vaginal secretions from the female partner that contact areas of the male not covered by the condom. I did a quick google search and saw one study that indicated a 95% protection rate for women vs. 65% for men. So the difference is significant. But condoms definitely do offer a substantial protection benefit vs unprotected sex. Still, I'm sure that stat is eye opening for a lot of people because 65% really isn't that good when you're talking about exposure to an incurable disease that has considerable social stigma attached.

Overall, that was a helpful post and shed some good light on the risks associated with HSV-2. You guys stay safe out there.

Thanks for the clarifications and added info. A great corollary to my post. I guess the point I was trying to make with the IgG test is that if you test positive consistently more than once, then you most like have herpes, but just because you test negatively consistently doesn't mean that you don't have it. The antibody test has a 19% false positive rate and a 38% false negative rate (from what I'm seeing), so you can still be infected but test negative for it a third of the time. The swab test is still the most accurate, but then again you need a blister to appear, which doesn't happen with most people who have the virus. I just don't want people to think they're clean if they test negative on the IgG test.

As to your second point, you're right as well. It's still safer to use a condom, and it reduces your risk, even if it's only by 65%. I don't want people to think, "I'm going to get herpes whether I wear a condom or not, so I might as well not wear one. " It still helps lessen your odds of catching it. My point on that one was just that condoms aren't going to completely prevent something that spreads by skin-to-skin contact. Whereas an infection like chlamydia infects you through your urethral opening, so using a condom will protect you against that more than it will against herpes.

Thanks again for the additional info.

[Member #6704]

I saw her in June of this year. She doesn't like to host but will come to you. She came to my place when she got off work but was still clean, fresh, and smelling nice. She has her own car. Everything is bare if you want it. The subject of a cover was never brought up. She allows and even requests cip. Decent blowjob, but nothing spectacular. The kitty was clean, shaved smooth, and had no odor. Her tits are tiny but her ass is big, round, and firm. The no tits and big ass give off the perception that she's chubby, but her stomach is flat with no gut. Not really GFE, but not a pro either. She's definitely experienced and has been around for a while, but she doesn't rush or seem not into it. Mentally stable and works two regular jobs. She just does this for the extra cash. Damage was 200.

Virgil. You are spot on with her description and experience I have seen her numerous time's over the years. Before she was married and after she was married. But 200 is good. I always gave 3! Good to know she can do it for less!

[JoyDrop]

Wow ..! I merely shared some important information that may have been helpful. You know what. Screw it. Have at it Dude.

Whoah there, I think you took that entirely the wrong way. He wasn't attacking you, he was obviously implying he got a BJ from the girl and was concerned he was at risk. No reason to get all upset LOL.

[JoyDrop]

Blood antibody tests are extremely inaccurate

I'm not sure that's a fair characterization. Most of the data I've seen indicates that the IgG test is better than 90% accurate. Sure, it's not as good as a PCR test, but what else can an asymptomatic individual do to check their status? That's why most of the STD testing services recommend two tests if you think you've been exposed to HSV-2; the first at 30-45 days post exposure, the second at 90 days. If both tests produce the same result, the confidence is that result is very high.

The real kicker is that condoms don't prevent you from contracting HSV-2. You could be having covered sex with a woman who is showing no signs of an outbreak, and you can still end up contracting it if her body is shedding the virus.

Eh, I have to take issue with this one too because you're creating the impression that condoms offer no protection against HSV-2. That is obviously not true. Condoms are very effective at preventing the transmission of HSV-2 from men to women, but are less effective at protecting men from transmission from a HSV-2 positive female partner. This is because the male is typically exposed to a substantial amount of fluid / vaginal secretions from the female partner that contact areas of the male not covered by the condom. I did a quick google search and saw one study that indicated a 95% protection rate for women vs. 65% for men. So the difference is significant. But condoms definitely do offer a substantial protection benefit vs unprotected sex. Still, I'm sure that stat is eye opening for a lot of people because 65% really isn't that good when you're talking about exposure to an incurable disease that has considerable social stigma attached.

Overall, that was a helpful post and shed some good light on the risks associated with HSV-2. You guys stay safe out there.

[TooHotForYou]

Last time I checked we all die in the future.

I was mistaken. She died last year. That would've been crazy if it was a fake obit. My apologies. Got to wonder who would want to use her pic to scam people though.

[JoyDrop]

I sent you some info the last time you asked in January. Did you miss the PM?

And why are you still asking about the same girl 8 months later? If it hasn't worked out by now maybe you should consider other options LOL.

I've asked before but to no avail. Anyone had any experience with this one:

https://www.seeking.com/member/70982...4-f56be7f5659b

[Eslide3]

Some weird things on her obit too. She dies in the future.

Last time I checked we all die in the future.

[SoonerFan72]

Some weird things on her obit too. She dies in the future.

She messaged me yesterday, told me she was a truck driver, and lived in Ohio. She had stayed the night inn Atlanta with a friend, and made the profile then. I was pretty sure she was fake, now the dead lady picture confirms it for me.

[fatherland]

I've asked before but to no avail. Anyone had any experience with this one:

https://www.seeking.com/member/70982...4-f56be7f5659b

[JustMikey]

I was a senior member (Lono) but dropped the account and now I'm back. I did a little digging into woodstkcpl and she says she has been married to the grey haired guy in her private pics for three years. Then I searched her number found her name and the guy (her age) who's name her number is registered too. A little FB search and he has an anniversary post for thier 9 year wedding anniversary. It was dated 9/15/2020. She claims she has been married to the older guy for three years this October. The guy on FB has his status as separated so I guess she is not with him but I found it curious. She wants an allowance for a guy to sleep with her with her husband taking turns. I guess he is straight but likes to share? I'm going to try and meet them just to talk because now I'm intrigued.

Do what you will with the info.

https://www.seeking.com/member/1a661...e-0aaa02786990

I'm straight, if he's straight, this could be fun. A DP with a "normal" woman (not a high volume pro) can be a lot of fun. I may give it a shot.

[BrownSugaTwo]

She's had at least 2-3 dozen profiles, by now. I can't remember anyone actually doing the deed with her. It was just scam after various scam. I think I remember someone mentioning her showing up with a handler / friend. I come across her profile all the time and just walk on by. But if you dare, try her out and report back.

She just messaged me wanting to meet up tonight. We settled on tomorrow. She asked that I pick her up. First she said she was in Buckhead then she said she's near 85 and Cheshire Bridge. Very pushy about meeting up. It's for a meet and greet. She asked about gift but I just ignored it. Wondering if it's a set-up. I'm only familiar with timeless tattoo on Cheshire. Don't know the area. Anyone meet her yet?

https://www.seeking.com/member/975c5...e-0ca588955f03

[TooHotForYou]

This one's pic search takes you to a memorial page for a dead woman. She messaged me, now we are texting. I'm going to see what else I can find out.

https://www.seeking.com/member/f3979...d-efdecd7c8629

Some weird things on her obit too. She dies in the future.

[Lono1]

This one's pic search takes you to a memorial page for a dead woman. She messaged me, now we are texting. I'm going to see what else I can find out.

https://www.seeking.com/member/f3979...d-efdecd7c8629

[Lono1]

She just messaged me wanting to meet up tonight. We settled on tomorrow. She asked that I pick her up. First she said she was in Buckhead then she said she's near 85 and Cheshire Bridge. Very pushy about meeting up. It's for a meet and greet. She asked about gift but I just ignored it. Wondering if it's a set-up. I'm only familiar with timeless tattoo on Cheshire. Don't know the area. Anyone meet her yet?

https://www.seeking.com/member/975c5...e-0ca588955f03

[HaneDales]

Thanks for sharing.

The answer is: it's complicated. The two types of herpes simplex viruses in humans are HSV-1 and HSV-2. HSV-1 is oral herpes. 67% of the population has it. Most people who have it got it when they were children by sharing utensils / drinks / etc. With their parents who had it. It's spread very easily through non-sexual contact. If you get cold sores on your lips, that's HSV-1.

HSV-2 is genital herpes. It's spread through sexual contact and can be spread even when no outbreak is occurring. The estimate is that 13% of the population has HSV-2 However, more than 80% of the people with HSV-2 have no idea they have it. Blood antibody tests are extremely inaccurate. You could test positive for HSV-2 through a blood test one week and test negative the next week. So it's safe to assume that the percentage of the population with HSV-2 is much higher than 13%. Also, the CDC reports that 48% of Black women in the US have HSV-2. The prevalence of the virus among all women is estimated to be 21% and among men 11%. The reason for this is because women have a larger mucous membrane in their genital area than men do and also because women are more likely to be tested for it at their annual gyno exam. Men don't see a urologist every year. The majority of people who have HSV-2 will experience either only one or no outbreaks their entire lives. The only guaranteed way to know you have it is to get the secretion from a lesion tested during an active outbreak.

Here's where it's a bit more complicated. A person with cold sores (HSV-1) can spread it to the genitals of another person during oral sex. So that person can contract HSV-1, but in the genital area. And vice versa, meaning HSV-2 can be spread from the genitals to the mouth during oral sex. Which leaves people with oral-HSV-2 or genital-HSV-1. There's really not much of a difference between the symptoms, since the lesions and blisters will look the same on whatever body part is infected. If you're worried about passing something from one of these sugar babies to a significant other, it's better to contract HSV-1 since that can be spread by non-sexual contact. You can explain it away as you taking a sip of your friend's beer to taste it at the bar and didn't know he had herpes. But HSV-2 is harder to play off because it can only be spread through sexual contact.

So the safest way to go through life is to assume that everyone you have sexual contact with has some form of herpes. But if they pass it to you, you can go your entire life not knowing that you have it because it shows up negative on blood tests and never presents any symptoms. The real kicker is that condoms don't prevent you from contracting HSV-2. You could be having covered sex with a woman who is showing no signs of an outbreak, and you can still end up contracting it if her body is shedding the virus.

Fun fact: Pretty much every porn star has HSV-2. They have to get tested regularly, but the Talent Tests are only for HIV, gonorrhea, syphilis, chlamydia, hepatitis, Trichomonas Vaginalis, and now COVID. They don't test for HSV or HPV. Because HSV-2 is so common, incurable, not life-threatening, and able to be spread with no visible symptoms, and because blood tests are inaccurate, the industry sees no reason to test for it. I learned that from a former SB who went on to enter the adult industry after we broke up. We're still in contact, and after her first month doing porn, she ended up in the hospital (she was always dramatic) because she contracted HSV-2 from her shoots. But she's still active in the industry and producing new videos with professional studios. As long as she doesn't have an active outbreak, she can still work. Just something to keep in mind if you're ever thinking of booking a porn star.

Also, whereas around 10% of European people have natural immunity to HIV (mostly those with Scottish ancestry, for whatever reason), there does not appear to be any natural or innate immunity to HSV. Herpes appears to have been present in humans since before we were fully-formed Homo sapiens. The earliest written record of herpes is when Emperor Tiberius (42 BCE - 37 CE) banned kissing in Rome because of a HSV-1 outbreak. There are treatments that exist to diminish the effects of herpes outbreaks, but there is currently no cure. However, with the modern introduction of mRNA vaccines, there is a hope that a herpes vaccine might become available within the next decade.

NB: I am not a doctor, but I am involved in medical research. I hope this wall of text was informative.