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  1. #3373

    I get what you are saying but

    The economics are obscene. These ladies are in effect saying that $200 or $300 an hour isn't enough? If you charge $300 an hour and only see four guys a day, five days a week, you make $300,000 a year. That's how they are playing the men out here. $300 K a year isn't enough. We're cheapskates unless we pay them enough so they can make $600,000 a year. That's in effect what this lady is saying. It's total bullshit and no one should buy it.

    I like to say, it's good to be rich enough to be able to pay $100 for a hamburger and not have it hurt you. But at the end of a day you still paid $100 for a freaking hamburger. The best hamburger in the world is probably worth about $12.

    Same situation applies. The best escort in the world, I'm talking if the Playboy Playmate of the Year this year became an escort and gave the best and most enthusiastic service imaginable doing everything that every client wanted to do, that might be worth $600 an hour. Everyone else is below that and most people A LOT below that. That's how I see it. And you are right, people paying more than that are causing price inflation and unnecessarily so. At $300 an hour a woman makes plenty, probably much more a year than most guys here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nsugen  [View Original Post]
    Interesting post. The problem is that simps are driving up prices across the WHOLE market. Low-volume, high value ladies like yourself were always around. But this time, the agency girls and the backpage streetwalkers are following suit too. They've inflated their rates twofold or threefold.

    For example, at one very popular NYC agency, half the girls working there are drug addicts coming up from Florida. Just two years ago, those girls were charging 300 an hour. Now those same girls are charging 400-600 an hour. All for the same on-and-off service, mind you, if reviews on here and a couple other major sites are to be believed.

    When you moved on from your agency and went Indy, it sounds like your service probably improved tremendously. You picked your clients, you weeded out the disgusting losers, you were actually able to build some chemistry with the men you handpicked. All those things contributed and made you better at your craft. And for that, your price hike is justified. Can't say the same for so many of the other girls who are hiking prices just cause more simps have flooded the market. The product they're selling doesn't justify the price hike, period.

    BTW, can you private message me your ad? I've been looking for a good girl for something steady now that my last girl is tied up in a relationship. Feel free to say no if you're not comfortable with it.

  2. #3372
    Quote Originally Posted by UCIndieAgent  [View Original Post]
    Not sure if this is allowed, but I've been an NYC escort on and off since about 2014. I've worked in various agencies from the backpage days through the pandemic. I am now independent. I want to share some insight on pricing.
    Interesting post. The problem is that simps are driving up prices across the WHOLE market. Low-volume, high value ladies like yourself were always around. But this time, the agency girls and the backpage streetwalkers are following suit too. They've inflated their rates twofold or threefold.

    For example, at one very popular NYC agency, half the girls working there are drug addicts coming up from Florida. Just two years ago, those girls were charging 300 an hour. Now those same girls are charging 400-600 an hour. All for the same on-and-off service, mind you, if reviews on here and a couple other major sites are to be believed.

    When you moved on from your agency and went Indy, it sounds like your service probably improved tremendously. You picked your clients, you weeded out the disgusting losers, you were actually able to build some chemistry with the men you handpicked. All those things contributed and made you better at your craft. And for that, your price hike is justified. Can't say the same for so many of the other girls who are hiking prices just cause more simps have flooded the market. The product they're selling doesn't justify the price hike, period.

    BTW, can you private message me your ad? I've been looking for a good girl for something steady now that my last girl is tied up in a relationship. Feel free to say no if you're not comfortable with it.

  3. #3371

    That's one argument, sure

    I mean, I can call you names like being a cheapskate if you don't want to pay ten times what you pay for any service you use, your cellphone, electricity, your rent, food, restaurants, etc. We can do that with anything right? Do you like being called a cheapskate? Do you think it's fair?

    I'll bet you want to get as much value for your money regarding the things you buy too. And I will also bet, because of the business you are in, that you aren't a multimillionaire either like most of the folks on this board.

    There is a balance that I think we can get to between what is fair for a monger to pay and what is fair for an escorts time. And I will tell you right now that $600/ hr and up is not it.

    Quote Originally Posted by UCIndieAgent  [View Original Post]
    Not sure if this is allowed, but I've been an NYC escort on and off since about 2014. I've worked in various agencies from the backpage days through the pandemic. I am now independent. I want to share some insight on pricing.

    When I first started in an agency that used backpage I would make about a grand per shift in mostly short stay visits. This means over 10 clients per shift. It wasn't healthy for me, I often would need breaks due to physical pain or yeast infections (I did everything covered). It's hard to maintain that level of work over time. After backpage, things slowed down and I left the industry for a while. When I returned post backpage it had slowed down for both agencies and indies. When the pandemic hit, I was at an agency and it was worse than ever. We ran specials but only so often as agencies do not want to lower their value by doing too many specials.

    Now, agencies will always charge less than independents for many reasons: nature of the service since agencies tend to have sketchier venues, stricter time slots, and higher volume of clientele; overhead costs since agencies can put multiple girls in one space, their reputations are already known / easily researched, advertising multiple girls at a time. As an independent, you have to pay for your own ads, your own incall location, your own business phone, website, etc, the overhead is much higher when it's just you. Also, agencies have a booker, so girls are just sitting around waiting for the agency to tell them someone is coming. As an independent, you spend a lot of valuable time screening and weeding out flakes. Most independents (or girls like me who later turn indie) do so bc we want a lower volume of higher paying clientele and know the business well enough that we feel confident taking on all the aspects an agency normally handles. Also, while I see fewer people, I still spend more time handling advertising and calls. I can also tell you, it's not so much these clients are "thirsty simps" as you call them, but men who don't mind paying extra for a girl who he knows is lower volume and will be more likely to not treat him like a dime-a-dozen trick. (Not to mention clients looking for allergy-accommodating providers may want to pay extra for low-volume providers just for risk reasons). These clients also tend to understand that they are paying more bc they are dealing with that provider only from the beginning, that we are doing all the work an agency does for ourselves and since we are doing more, our rates are higher. From my personal experience, I have much better sexual chemistry and overall better experiences with my indie clients than I ever did at an agency- I chalk this up to having total control of my online presence, who I choose to see (or not), and the more generosity I receive. (Let's face it, a provider will always treat a high paying client better and give them priority over lower paying clients bc this is a job to us at the end of the day).

    Also remember that fucking off won't cost you anything, if you can't afford someone's rate, don't see them. Everyone is entitled to set their prices how they want. You can judge them for being unreasonable and their clients for being simps all you want, but they can also judge you for being a overly-frugal cheapskates who spends their time haggling and blaming other people for their own penny-pinching.

  4. #3370
    Quote Originally Posted by HinesKarlton  [View Original Post]
    Wish more men were like you.

    These simps are going to price us the fuck out.
    Not sure if this is allowed, but I've been an NYC escort on and off since about 2014. I've worked in various agencies from the backpage days through the pandemic. I am now independent. I want to share some insight on pricing.

    When I first started in an agency that used backpage I would make about a grand per shift in mostly short stay visits. This means over 10 clients per shift. It wasn't healthy for me, I often would need breaks due to physical pain or yeast infections (I did everything covered). It's hard to maintain that level of work over time. After backpage, things slowed down and I left the industry for a while. When I returned post backpage it had slowed down for both agencies and indies. When the pandemic hit, I was at an agency and it was worse than ever. We ran specials but only so often as agencies do not want to lower their value by doing too many specials.

    Now, agencies will always charge less than independents for many reasons: nature of the service since agencies tend to have sketchier venues, stricter time slots, and higher volume of clientele; overhead costs since agencies can put multiple girls in one space, their reputations are already known / easily researched, advertising multiple girls at a time. As an independent, you have to pay for your own ads, your own incall location, your own business phone, website, etc, the overhead is much higher when it's just you. Also, agencies have a booker, so girls are just sitting around waiting for the agency to tell them someone is coming. As an independent, you spend a lot of valuable time screening and weeding out flakes. Most independents (or girls like me who later turn indie) do so bc we want a lower volume of higher paying clientele and know the business well enough that we feel confident taking on all the aspects an agency normally handles. Also, while I see fewer people, I still spend more time handling advertising and calls. I can also tell you, it's not so much these clients are "thirsty simps" as you call them, but men who don't mind paying extra for a girl who he knows is lower volume and will be more likely to not treat him like a dime-a-dozen trick. (Not to mention clients looking for allergy-accommodating providers may want to pay extra for low-volume providers just for risk reasons). These clients also tend to understand that they are paying more bc they are dealing with that provider only from the beginning, that we are doing all the work an agency does for ourselves and since we are doing more, our rates are higher. From my personal experience, I have much better sexual chemistry and overall better experiences with my indie clients than I ever did at an agency- I chalk this up to having total control of my online presence, who I choose to see (or not), and the more generosity I receive. (Let's face it, a provider will always treat a high paying client better and give them priority over lower paying clients bc this is a job to us at the end of the day).

    Also remember that fucking off won't cost you anything, if you can't afford someone's rate, don't see them. Everyone is entitled to set their prices how they want. You can judge them for being unreasonable and their clients for being simps all you want, but they can also judge you for being a overly-frugal cheapskates who spends their time haggling and blaming other people for their own penny-pinching.

  5. #3369

    Bellababy gone?

    Just wondering since there was a girl I was thinking of seeing. Her tryst page was Bellababy22. She's gone now, was wondering if she's done for good. I know some people here said they saw here at one point.

  6. #3368

    Katia

    Anyone have any experience with Katia. Please PM.

    https://tryst.link/escort/katiatravelz#photos.

  7. #3367

    Brittney at blues

    Took a day off. This spot more expensive than regular CDP I've been in BX and Queens. They host at a hotel in midtown.

    Overall 10/10. She is in my top 3 and I don't mind spending a little extra for 1 Hr and extras.

    Had to wait a little longer than scheduled time but ok. Went to the room and she opened the door. With only a towel. She dropped it immediately. Off course with surgery but her body is proportioned perfectly the way I like it. She has a cute face and as always very eager to please.

    First round got CBJ (I always go with cover for everything). I guess it was good but I was only focused watching her ass and in the mirror.

    Mish doggy reverse cg & cg. Fun time and I was way more relaxed that our previous visits in CDP when I usually can't get more than 15 SS.

    For second round I asked for anal and it was worth every sec. Same positions but with my D in her *. All I see is my fella going in and out of that perfect big bubble butt.

    Time was close to end so she took the condom out and did a HJ to cum on her tits.

    If my memory is not wrong is 300 HR + tips.

    Have a good one and be safe.

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  9. #3365

    Susan / Ana

    Any info on this girl? Looks super hot.

    https://adultsearch.com/new-york/man...scorts/1680666

  10. #3364
    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteTesla5  [View Original Post]
    Ariel is bak? I don't remember seeing her post but maybe she post in another boro?

    https://manhattan.skipthegames.com/f...6/576255067171

    She looks lik SW, who got help from someone to post.

    https://manhattan.skipthegames.com/f...e/022112237322
    She's part of bucket-pussy Kelly's crew of methed out misfits.

    I'd recommend you stay far far away.

  11. #3363
    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynMatt  [View Original Post]
    I've seen her and she's real however she's a bit of a loony toon. To begin with. Her pictures are awful and make her look like a tranny. She's much more feminine looking in person but has had some very poorly done plastic surgery. It took me about a week to get an appointment with her and the only reason I did see her is she kept following up with me. And even the day of our appointment she moved it back by about two hours. Luckily I had the time. Now bad plastic surgery aside, she has a perfect body in terms of no fat whatsoever and while she's muscular she's still feminine. Peformance. She will literally do ANYTHING you want. Let's just say if I wrote a full review this would be in a different section.

    Now here's the problem. She a flake. In addition to the scheduling thing her rate seems to vary depending on when you talk to her. She went from reasonable to totally unreasonable and everything in between when we were setting things up. We settled on something reasonable. And the there was the texting. She texted me pretty nonstop in the next few days after I saw her. I'm not sure if she liked me (from her texts it sounded like she did) or if she was just trying to get another appointment but I ultimately had to block her. I don't think she's a junkie or anything but I do think she may be mentally ill to some degree.
    That explains it.

  12. #3362

    New posts

    Ariel is bak? I don't remember seeing her post but maybe she post in another boro?

    https://manhattan.skipthegames.com/f...6/576255067171

    She looks lik SW, who got help from someone to post.

    https://manhattan.skipthegames.com/f...e/022112237322

  13. #3361

    Not taking those chances

    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynMatt  [View Original Post]
    I've seen her and she's real however she's a bit of a loony toon. To begin with. Her pictures are awful and make her look like a tranny. She's much more feminine looking in person but has had some very poorly done plastic surgery. It took me about a week to get an appointment with her and the only reason I did see her is she kept following up with me. And even the day of our appointment she moved it back by about two hours. Luckily I had the time. Now bad plastic surgery aside, she has a perfect body in terms of no fat whatsoever and while she's muscular she's still feminine. Peformance. She will literally do ANYTHING you want. Let's just say if I wrote a full review this would be in a different section.

    Now here's the problem. She a flake. In addition to the scheduling thing her rate seems to vary depending on when you talk to her. She went from reasonable to totally unreasonable and everything in between when we were setting things up. We settled on something reasonable. And the there was the texting. She texted me pretty nonstop in the next few days after I saw her. I'm not sure if she liked me (from her texts it sounded like she did) or if she was just trying to get another appointment but I ultimately had to block her. I don't think she's a junkie or anything but I do think she may be mentally ill to some degree.
    She can be the most feminine woman ever. She looks like a man and a post op at best. I could be wrong but couple that with flakiness and GPS (or is it GDS) why even bother. Too many options out here.

  14. #3360
    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynMatt  [View Original Post]
    I've seen her and she's real however she's a bit of a loony toon. To begin with. Her pictures are awful and make her look like a tranny. She's much more feminine looking in person but has had some very poorly done plastic surgery. It took me about a week to get an appointment with her and the only reason I did see her is she kept following up with me. And even the day of our appointment she moved it back by about two hours. Luckily I had the time. Now bad plastic surgery aside, she has a perfect body in terms of no fat whatsoever and while she's muscular she's still feminine. Performance. She will literally do ANYTHING you want. Let's just say if I wrote a full review this would be in a different section.

    Now here's the problem. She a flake. In addition to the scheduling thing her rate seems to vary depending on when you talk to her. She went from reasonable to totally unreasonable and everything in between when we were setting things up. We settled on something reasonable. And the there was the texting. She texted me pretty nonstop in the next few days after I saw her. I'm not sure if she liked me (from her texts it sounded like she did) or if she was just trying to get another appointment but I ultimately had to block her. I don't think she's a junkie or anything but I do think she may be mentally ill to some degree.
    Yea I seen this one a few days, she is a bit off but I think she means well. As for the price, yea she def tries to upsell but you can easily talk her down. The only reason I go to her as much I do is because she genuinely is one of the few girls that will let me do whatever I want to her. I'm not saying she has no limit because obviously she does (no piss or shit play) but whenever I want to bust on her face she didn't hesitate. Overall a real freak.

  15. #3359
    Quote Originally Posted by George525  [View Original Post]
    I was visiting NYC and thought I should enjoy the goodies. Settled on this one. She calls after supposed long date and said she was available. We chatted on the phone and made arrangements. Jump in a cab to the address and wait 45 minutes. NO SHOW. Not even a text to explain. Stay away!

    https://manhattan.skipthegames.com/f...s/861764205297
    I've seen her and she's real however she's a bit of a loony toon. To begin with. Her pictures are awful and make her look like a tranny. She's much more feminine looking in person but has had some very poorly done plastic surgery. It took me about a week to get an appointment with her and the only reason I did see her is she kept following up with me. And even the day of our appointment she moved it back by about two hours. Luckily I had the time. Now bad plastic surgery aside, she has a perfect body in terms of no fat whatsoever and while she's muscular she's still feminine. Peformance. She will literally do ANYTHING you want. Let's just say if I wrote a full review this would be in a different section.

    Now here's the problem. She a flake. In addition to the scheduling thing her rate seems to vary depending on when you talk to her. She went from reasonable to totally unreasonable and everything in between when we were setting things up. We settled on something reasonable. And the there was the texting. She texted me pretty nonstop in the next few days after I saw her. I'm not sure if she liked me (from her texts it sounded like she did) or if she was just trying to get another appointment but I ultimately had to block her. I don't think she's a junkie or anything but I do think she may be mentally ill to some degree.

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