Tips, Tricks, Arguing, and Bullshit

[Ray Pugh]

What's the most hohos you ever banged in one night? For me it's four. I was using drugs at the time.

[Number614]

Everyone is entitled to his / her opinions. One thing about drug addiction to understand is that it is not a moral issue, it's a biological, or better, biochemical issue of how the brain gets rewired under the influence. The drug addict's brain is electro-chemically altered and impaired to the extent that it is compelled to seek the increasing doses of the drug to just feel normal. The chemical impulses are changed in a way that it impairs the addict's reasoning, decision-making and emotions. Well you can blame her, but other circumstances (environmental) are also playing a role in addiction. And as the bible states, do not judge and you won't be judged as well.

These girls need help, instead of blame. And we are the humanistic enough society to provide this help. Yesterday the city council announced a $400,000 program to help combat the crimes and help victims of crime in Cbus. This may be a worthy cause.

I agree with you 100%. I have nothing but care and concern for anyone afflicted with addiction. I have devoted my own time and resources to helping people and organizations. Stance on the opiate epidemic is a major factor in my voting record. I've personality helped individuals get and stay clean.

With this one, I tried. Hard. But she constantly tried to manipulate me, make me care, then lie and / or ghost. This pattern continued for maybe 7 years. She has spent over 2 years in prison in the last 6 and OD'd 5 x that I know of. I can't help her. Especially whenif she not going to trust me enough to tell me the truth, ever. I haven't blocked her and still reach out occasionally. I hear from her every now and then but I don't push and she doesn't say much. My own mental health just needed distance after that night.

[LDontFkinCare2]

I was seeing a girl for years. We had probably developed more of a friendship than a FWB. But her addiction was hard to deal with. Two stints in jail almost a year long each didn't help her. A couple years back she went missing and her family was desperate. I was able to find her through mutual friends, went to see her, talked her into going back to family for help and stupidly gave her 40 bucks for her room for the night. (Her family couldn't get to her that night and planned to pick her up at 8 am). She OD'd that night in the alley. She survived but I knew I couldn't be a part of her life anymore.

Everyone is entitled to his / her opinions. One thing about drug addiction to understand is that it is not a moral issue, it's a biological, or better, biochemical issue of how the brain gets rewired under the influence. The drug addict's brain is electro-chemically altered and impaired to the extent that it is compelled to seek the increasing doses of the drug to just feel normal. The chemical impulses are changed in a way that it impairs the addict's reasoning, decision-making and emotions. Well you can blame her, but other circumstances (environmental) are also playing a role in addiction. And as the bible states, do not judge and you won't be judged as well.

These girls need help, instead of blame. And we are the humanistic enough society to provide this help. Yesterday the city council announced a $400,000 program to help combat the crimes and help victims of crime in Cbus. This may be a worthy cause.

[DMichaels69]

Agree. Do your thing and leave. Don't get involved in their personal lives or any drama.

I'm not saying these girls care about you bc they don't. Many will just use a guy for cash or whatever, which is why I would advise not to get involved with them. For them, there's always another guy who's next in line. Guys are cheap & easy, particularly for the better looking girls.

Just saying that they do deal with a lot of really bad behavior from lowlifes. But as far as them actually caring about you, I wouldn't count on it.

[Number614]

So besides the usual (stealing, getting violent, etc.), what would need to happen for you to no longer hookup with a escort, even if she was a favorite or longtime visit?

I was seeing a girl for years. We had probably developed more of a friendship than a FWB. But her addiction was hard to deal with. Two stints in jail almost a year long each didn't help her. A couple years back she went missing and her family was desperate. I was able to find her through mutual friends, went to see her, talked her into going back to family for help and stupidly gave her 40 bucks for her room for the night. (Her family couldn't get to her that night and planned to pick her up at 8 am). She OD'd that night in the alley. She survived but I knew I couldn't be a part of her life anymore.

[Smutt2]

So besides the usual (stealing, getting violent, etc.), what would need to happen for you to no longer hookup with a escort, even if she was a favorite or longtime visit?

Just had this happen. Trusted UTR desperate for some major money threatens to call my wife and let her know what I've been up to. This violated the trust I thought we had and most importantly it let me know how unstable she is. I called it quits. Too much risk.

[Midwest Dude]

So besides the usual (stealing, getting violent, etc.), what would need to happen for you to no longer hookup with a escort, even if she was a favorite or longtime visit?

[Prim0]

I'm always down for discussions. We're not all meant to see things the same way since we all have had different experiences.

I think you might be making some false equivalencies between waiters and other service workers who choose their jobs and women who are in desperate straits and end up in this life. We can argue back and forth endlessly, depending on your attitude, about socioeconomic pressures versus personal responsibility and on and on. But it still amounts to a big difference between these women's doing this and the motivations that keep them in versus, say, a waiter who keeps whining about low tips but doesn't have the courage to seek a better gig. Someone trapped in a situation as opposed to choosing it is definitely not going to come across all that wonderful or at least not for very long.

One of the reasons I finally conceded to the wisdom to upscale the providers I see is because those providers HAVE chosen it, and handle it as a profession they enjoy. They have their troubles but it isn't this massive drama baggage hanging over everything.

The reason I said something was your post itself didn't prompt it, it was that these women vent much as we do, which touched on some comments of how people here have 'leaked' the boards existence or reviews to some of the providers, and of course some providers directly lurk here. So no doubt certain folks saying they think of them as nothing more than 'cum dumps' is directly a line to all of us having that much tougher a time with any provider.

Sorry, didn't honestly mean to direct any hostility to you on your post. It just kinda struck chords that prompted me to say something.

[FlickerFly07]

I'm not sure if I set this off or not. I mentioned the Reddit board and the other form in response to someone's post. I was just pointing out what kind of vibe they put off. It wasn't a judgement in the sense that they are all the same, all right or wrong.

But for those of you arguing about people being people etc. Isn't this just a transaction? I don't care if a waiter likes me or not if they do a good job serving me the meal. I am polite and treat the waiter well and tip well for good service. Isn't it the same with sex work. We're paying for a service that they provide. Are there dick customers? Are there dick service providers? Of course. And completely wonderful servers and customers along with everything in between. I learned long ago that you get better treatment if you give better treatment but that you still might get shit service sometimes. It goes the other way too, great service sometimes doesn't prevent shit customers. This has nothing to do with seeing SWs as people. Everyone is a person with their stuff going on. My comment about their attitudes on some sites is that they sound like they are in the wrong line of work. How would you like a waiter that said they just want you to leave a tip and then get the fuck out (without ever eating)? It's not exactly the kind of waiter I want to come across. And I understand that their attitudes somewhat come from customers who want to come in, ask for a 7 course meal and pay little to nothing and leave no tip while making a mess of the place and having their kid wailing the whole time. But that's not all of us.

So let's all chill. We're all adults here. I respect most people's opinions knowing that it's based on their experiences which may be like mine or not. Most likely not. Let's just focus on what we're really here for. To find the best possible bang for our bucks. (pun intended).

I think you might be making some false equivalencies between waiters and other service workers who choose their jobs and women who are in desperate straits and end up in this life. We can argue back and forth endlessly, depending on your attitude, about socioeconomic pressures versus personal responsibility and on and on. But it still amounts to a big difference between these women's doing this and the motivations that keep them in versus, say, a waiter who keeps whining about low tips but doesn't have the courage to seek a better gig. Someone trapped in a situation as opposed to choosing it is definitely not going to come across all that wonderful or at least not for very long.

One of the reasons I finally conceded to the wisdom to upscale the providers I see is because those providers HAVE chosen it, and handle it as a profession they enjoy. They have their troubles but it isn't this massive drama baggage hanging over everything.

The reason I said something was your post itself didn't prompt it, it was that these women vent much as we do, which touched on some comments of how people here have 'leaked' the boards existence or reviews to some of the providers, and of course some providers directly lurk here. So no doubt certain folks saying they think of them as nothing more than 'cum dumps' is directly a line to all of us having that much tougher a time with any provider.

Sorry, didn't honestly mean to direct any hostility to you on your post. It just kinda struck chords that prompted me to say something.

[Prim0]

I'm not sure if I set this off or not. I mentioned the Reddit board and the other form in response to someone's post. I was just pointing out what kind of vibe they put off. It wasn't a judgement in the sense that they are all the same, all right or wrong.

But for those of you arguing about people being people etc. Isn't this just a transaction? I don't care if a waiter likes me or not if they do a good job serving me the meal. I am polite and treat the waiter well and tip well for good service. Isn't it the same with sex work. We're paying for a service that they provide. Are there dick customers? Are there dick service providers? Of course. And completely wonderful servers and customers along with everything in between. I learned long ago that you get better treatment if you give better treatment but that you still might get shit service sometimes. It goes the other way too, great service sometimes doesn't prevent shit customers. This has nothing to do with seeing SWs as people. Everyone is a person with their stuff going on. My comment about their attitudes on some sites is that they sound like they are in the wrong line of work. How would you like a waiter that said they just want you to leave a tip and then get the fuck out (without ever eating)? It's not exactly the kind of waiter I want to come across. And I understand that their attitudes somewhat come from customers who want to come in, ask for a 7 course meal and pay little to nothing and leave no tip while making a mess of the place and having their kid wailing the whole time. But that's not all of us.

So let's all chill. We're all adults here. I respect most people's opinions knowing that it's based on their experiences which may be like mine or not. Most likely not. Let's just focus on what we're really here for. To find the best possible bang for our bucks. (pun intended).

[YAskWhy]

Well said.

Appreciate the support.

[YAskWhy]

Methinks I got the treads crossed- I thought you were attacking flicker.

All good man. Life doesn't line up for many of us like we dreamed it would be. Hard for me to trash the ladies that bad. I will always call out the bad individually but not collectively.

[DMichaels69]

Well said.

The worst of the worst will for sure. Can't use that broad of a brush though. 80% of who I've met are cool. 20% were / are trash. They are no different than the girls who date or marry guys for the money, when in reality they can't stand the sight of them. They are no different then the wife who baits the guys into kids then executes the divorce for child support and alimony. The working girls are no different than the wives who stop crying, as soon as they leave the insurance agent when their husband passes away and they bank a cool $500,000 policy or more and sell the crib. No different than the girls who date married guys, get showered with gifts and money, put constant pressure on the married guy to spend time, then laugh deep into the night with their girlfriends, when the guy gets busted. Would you classify them as human? Just sayin. Don't pass judgment too harshly on them, they are not that much different than wives and girlfriends or side chicks.

[Chunks92]

Probably should have outed her so others can avoid.

Other guys have around the same time the robbery occurred. She's not near Cbus. I do agree though and going forward will. I was a dumbass in this situation and it was during a time when I was doing outcalls to my home. Learned my lesson.

[Dream Monger]

Who are you to call anybody a clown? Are you the judge? It's his opinion and he's entitled to his opinion without you calling him a clown? And who put you in charge to suggest who we should ignore and who we shouldn't? I've been reading this board for years, and I don't recall any enlightenment that I've ever received from your posts. Maybe your problem is that a lot of what he has posted is true, and you can't deal with that. I'm glad the admin's created this area, I was a member of this board when they did. And they created up for this very reason. So people could air their opinions. But there's still no reason to call anybody a clown. You should apologize.

And if you think that a guy posting on this message board is going to make it hard for anybody to date, you really are showing your lack of knowledge and experience. I read this board for information, but I don't rely on it for dating and who I meet with.

Wow, how passionate you are, Live Monger, to defend the man who says we are to be bold and gives example of pissing on the street. That act is one of a small man, a man without class or integrity. We each reveal who we are in our posts, and especially in our actions.

Yet while you agree this area is for folks to post their opinions, one man calling another a clown, is now to be censored?

Then you say "you should apologize" - who put you, Live Monger, in charge? . . . oh wait, that was just an opinion. Like calling someone a clown?