"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Ernest Ll]

First off, here is where we get into the dichotomy / contradictions of whether or not SBs are pros or not. You'd never go on EROS and try to negotiate an hour or two with a pro, but somehow these pros really aren't pros.

But I think you can use that to your advantage. I usually include in my texting a discourse on how sugar isn't sex work since she isn't spreading her legs for anyone with the price of admission, becasue there isn't a set price or menu of service to pick from -- this usually makes them feel better about spreading their legs for a variable price and doing all sorts of things without an upcharge!

Do you bring up the subject or wait on her to do it?

Depends. If she's had an arrangement before, Ill ask "how was your last arrangement structured in terms of frequency of meetings, activities / dates, and benefits" and let her tell me what she is used to -- which is probably inflated on all counts, but again is the starting point of moving forward or not. If they expect to be squired out to dinner before hotel time, I'm out since I'm married and have no out of town travel scheduled anytime soon. Plus you want to make the discussioin about more than money. Mentoring, networking, assistance navigating adulting -- whatever you want to call it is of value to the yoiung and clueless and makes them feel more at ease.

How do you bring up the subject?

Again, depends. I usually ask their motivation for joining SA -- they usually complain about dating soy boys, and I commisserate. Eventually they mention student debt, medical bills, saving for grad school or they want luxuries they can't afford. Again, commiserate with all that, bring up how I've handled similar situations before. And always include humor and innuendo when discussing $$ initially "So what kind of student loan bailout package would you be expecting for an afternoon of _ (fill in the blank with metaphor of something sexual you've discussed. "Making your toes curl".

Do you ask her to give her price first? Or make the first offer?

Again, if they've done this before, you would have your answer or if you ask about their motivations first, you'; ll get some insight. But I also honestly tell them how my previoius arrangements went, because the newbies often ask,. I've only rarely gone over $400, so I'm not lying or lowballing when I tell them $300 per meeting is in oreder, but also highlight the non-monetary benefits. Also depends on how they learned about Seeking. If a friend told them, I ask how much they know about their friend's arrangment (make sure they know banging is the basis of any arrangement, and some idea of the $$.

If you make the first offer, do you low-ball it as to not bid against yourself? Or offer a 'take it or leave it' number?

Again depends. I don't believe in low-balling. I give them an honest offer based on what I think their time and likely talents are worth to me. Some wiggle room based on other factors -- since I don't travel, about half the women I see will drive an hour to meet me, so I value that.

How do you handle it when she is high? Walk away? Counter?

I just tell them that $$ isn't really in my budget. "There will always be someone on the site who is better looking, better built, has a fatter wallet or a fatter cock, but you will be hard press to find someone who _ more than me" and fill in the blank with what you think might get her to appreciate the non $$ aspect of it. If they are JUST in it for the $$ (not all are, best SB I ever had only asked $300 and drove an hour + to see me), then they will move on.

If you counter how do you help her accept your figure or move toward it, off her number?

I see the problem of countering and making it a full on negotiation is she is likely to feel cheated / getting less than and it won't last long -- she will always be looking for the bigger bucks.

[Btt123]

Curious if you guys have a preference for Mr. Benjamin or Mr. Jackson when giving sugar.

[SailMan2]

Seeking, secret etc. are car dealer show rooms. You are the customer with money. Keep in mind that there are usually more cars than customers in any given day, assuming you are not a total dick or not extremely repulsive you are the prize.

A car won't give a shit if you negotiated on price but a girl might. There are many different kinds of girls on seeking. There are escorts, there are escorts that will not admit to being escorts, then there are true sugar babies. The escort that won't accept she is an escort will probably be offended and may compromise the service you get. The escort will not be offense and perform as usual. For the true sugar baby, her performance is based on how much she likes you, the money is necessary but separate from the relationship (an escort will fuck you if you have money, an sugar baby may fuck you if you have money).

For a sugar baby I will discuss allowance at or after first meeting, a low ball will only give her a reason not to enter into the relationship, once she has met you she has already decided whether or not she is going to have sex with you, and the money is a formality.

[Citizenv]

Do you ask her to give her price first? Or make the first offer?

If you make the first offer, do you low-ball it as to not bid against yourself? Or offer a 'take it or leave it' number?

How do you handle it when she is high? Walk away? Counter?

Thanks in advance gents!

You will get a wide variety of answers on this because its largely based on a monger's philosophy towards the hobby. Some believe you should always negotiate and others don't and this impacts the answer you seek.

Personally, I always do it via text prior to any meetups taking place. If the girl doesn't mention it in her first 1-2 responses I'll ask them how much they value their time. I try to address the issue pretty early on because if she's out of my price range then its good to know asap so I don't waste my time. I'm not big on negotiating prices personally, I always have some number in my head of how much I'm willing to pay based on my interest level before I ever even reach out to her. If she comes back with that number or below it then I move forward. If she's above it I tell them straight up they are over what my budget will allow, I thank them for their time and then prepare to move on. The ones that are open to negotiating price usually counter me with a lower offer on their own that I then accept / decline. The ones that don't want to negotiate just move on, but in either case things proceed peacefully.

Doing it this way gives the girl the opportunity to decide if she wants to bend on her pricing on her own, without me ever insulting her (which is what I feel we're doing when she says "I'm worth this much" and we say "no you aren't, you're only worth this). Haggling a girl to a price that is lower than she naturally wanted to go just sets the wrong tone and makes them more likely to give a shitty performance during your encounter. But like I said, there will be others who disagree and take a different approach.

[TakesALicking]

OK, kind of interested in learning from others how they negotiate an allowance or PPM amount with babies (POTs)? Perhaps my style could use some upgrades?

When do you negotiate sugar? Email / text or during the M&G?

Do you bring up the subject or wait on her to do it?

How do you bring up the subject?

Do you ask her to give her price first? Or make the first offer?

If you make the first offer, do you low-ball it as to not bid against yourself? Or offer a 'take it or leave it' number?

How do you handle it when she is high? Walk away? Counter?

If you counter how do you help her accept your figure or move toward it, off her number?

Thanks in advance gents!

I don't claim to have a magic formula, but my approach is to First try to determine if she is a SW or wanting the SB experience. If they mention that they have had a lot of arrangements in the past, she's probably a SW and has a set price that is negotiable only when it's been a slow week or have unexpected expenses. If I think they want the SB experience, I try to start the negotiations on the assumption that they want something consistent. So I try to start negotiations on the premise that we will see each other once a week or so. So she can see past the daily stuff and envision a much larger monthly sum. If they have some ungodly figure in their head bc her sisters hairdresser said she gets 3 k a month from her SD, I politely let them know that's unrealistic and that we wouldn't be a good fit.

Then I help her do the math. 1200 a month and we see each other once a week =300 ppm, etc. SA is a mixed bag as it no longer truly caters to those wanting to be a SB. There's picture sellers, those seeking an "online" arrangement (whatever that is LOL), SWs, and of course the 25% who actually want an arrangement.

[Shampoo55]

OK, kind of interested in learning from others how they negotiate an allowance or PPM amount with babies (POTs)? Perhaps my style could use some upgrades?

When do you negotiate sugar? Email / text or during the M&G?

Do you bring up the subject or wait on her to do it?

How do you bring up the subject?

Do you ask her to give her price first? Or make the first offer?

If you make the first offer, do you low-ball it as to not bid against yourself? Or offer a 'take it or leave it' number?

How do you handle it when she is high? Walk away? Counter?

If you counter how do you help her accept your figure or move toward it, off her number?

Thanks in advance gents!

[ArtImperial]

Had a brief convo with her off site. She seems genuine. Not really my type for other reasons, but otherwise seems like a nice woman.

Would ya??

https://www.seeking.com/member/7d12d...a-1c49e80eca9b

[BStreet]

Unable to send message they blocked you and deactivated is they have actually deactivated but not disabled the account

So I am now seeing a few girls profiles greyed out with a grey "not" circle.

One says:

Unable to send a message as user is no longer active.

Yet a second one says:

The user's account has been deactivated.

So what doe these mean?

I would guess the 'no longer active' is they left the site or blocked me?

The 'deactivated' seems like they got kicked off? I guess it could be they turned their profile off?

Anyone know for certain, what these mean?

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[Shampoo55]

So I am now seeing a few girls profiles greyed out with a grey "not" circle.

One says:

Unable to send a message as user is no longer active.

Yet a second one says:

The user's account has been deactivated.

So what doe these mean?

I would guess the 'no longer active' is they left the site or blocked me?

The 'deactivated' seems like they got kicked off? I guess it could be they turned their profile off?

Anyone know for certain, what these mean?

[TheHobbyLobby]

So I finally got a burner phone using the straight talk network and I bought a card all with cash. However, buying minutes expire after 30 days. Are there any minutes that do not expire. I don't hobby often so I hate to think I will need to buy minute cards just to call an AMP to make an appointment. I used it a lot for the sugar bowl but I do that even less frequently. Also I only use SA for about 30 days at a time and I don't want to miss any text that some SB may be trying to text me.

[Bummm]

Yeah, I stand corrected. I usually leave the search on Sort By Newest, but this morning I changed it to Sort By Recently Active, and in the first couple of pages of results I did see some girls I know had been on my Favorites, and they weren't favorited anymore. No pattern that I could see to which ones it lost and which it didn't.

A couple of weeks ago I had a problem for a few days where I couldn't add anyone new to Favorites, or un-favorite anyone. The heart icon just did nothing. Maybe something related to them fixing that issue is what messed this up.

I have had a problem w / favs thing for over a week now, it won't let me add anyone as a fav, site is fucked up.

[LikItFun]

Yeah, I stand corrected. I usually leave the search on Sort By Newest, but this morning I changed it to Sort By Recently Active, and in the first couple of pages of results I did see some girls I know had been on my Favorites, and they weren't favorited anymore. No pattern that I could see to which ones it lost and which it didn't.

A couple of weeks ago I had a problem for a few days where I couldn't add anyone new to Favorites, or un-favorite anyone. The heart icon just did nothing. Maybe something related to them fixing that issue is what messed this up.

I've noticed the same as both of you. The favorite thing seemed to be a browser problem, but I still have the "favorites disappearing" problem.

[Jcn1965]

Would ya??

https://www.seeking.com/member/7d12d...a-1c49e80eca9b

Hell ya. Legs just get in the way, always wanted a girl with just stumps lmao.

[Geechie Dan]

Would ya??

https://www.seeking.com/member/7d12d...a-1c49e80eca9b

[Alkalinedio]

I do in the car most of the time. Usually find big huge parking lots, remote hiking locations, or huge parks, tinted windows, sun shades, etc.

It's risky yes, but I love the rush and have been avoiding hotels lately due to the extra money etc.

Car head is the best, I also bring a toy for the girls too.

Stay safe.

AD.

Asking for a friend:

I found this amazing girl, great body, reasonable price. And, she is OK with car sex. Great fun.

I am mortified that we are going to be busted by a cop.

Maybe he will tell me to get a room.

What if he wants to apply the law?

How serious is a crime if you get caught having sex in the car?

I Am in PA.

P.S. I'll get a room if I could. Save your breath on that.