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  1. #4277
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    Agreed

    Quote Originally Posted by SureYourRight  [View Original Post]
    We have more than enough food to provide for everyone on this planet. The shutdown isn't the issue, the issue is the money at the top refuses to budge and our shitty society is structured that way. This is why shit isn't going back to normal despite the vaccine and everything else. Our whole society has been revealed as unsustainable plutocracy.
    I agree 100% that we live in a shit society that rewards the wrong people. None of that is going to matter to the woman in Bangladesh who has to watch her kid go hungry because Europe closed their economies and her entire village lost their jobs when the plastic bottle plant closed.

    400,000,000 people reduced to extreme poverty, an additional 10,000,000 will die of starvation, those are real people who were doing fine as of January 2020. That blame doesn't fall to Jeff Bezos, that shit is on the shoulders of people like Cuomo who recognized the political capital to be gained by amplifying covid and making their supports choose between them and Trump.

    The left, who traditional cares about the poor (which is why I do, I'm still a lefty) completely abandoned them and pulled the largest exercise of privilege the world has ever seen. "Just stay home for three month, I don't understand why you need to leave your house, why do you want to kill grandma, people before profits. ".

    Fucking insane, and now poor brown people are paying for it.

  2. #4276
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    Right here is where I stopped reading

    Quote Originally Posted by SilverTongued8  [View Original Post]
    You think people in India from April till now could have just had an economy humming along when their friends, family, loved ones are dying left and right?
    This is exactly the kind of hyperbolic bullshit that idiots like you have been pushing for a year. People in India were not dying "left and right" you idiots have made it sound like the streets are full of corpses like Europe during the bubonic plague. The increase in deaths in overall deaths as measured by percent of population barely registers, there were not extra people dying "left and right" due to covid. A total of 396000 people have died from covid in India, the population of India is 1,100,000,000 people, the total deaths are. 036% of the entire population. Honestly there are probably more deaths but there are also probably more people. I have been to India, there is a massive percentage of Indians who are born, live, and die, without ever being counted. T.

    I have never said it was a hoax, what you continue to REFUSE to acknowledge is that the mitigation is, absolutely and without question, going to kill more people.

    Saying "I'm not going to argue with an idiot while not presenting facts is another way of avoiding being wrong. Dismiss me all you want, I have the facts, you only have hyperbole.

  3. #4275
    Quote Originally Posted by Admin2  [View Original Post]
    And like everything else the covidiots talk about it's just fucking horseshit.

    For a year, a solid year all I ever heard was THE US IS THE WORST IN THE WORLD FOR COVID NUMBERS BECAUSE THE QANON PEOPLE REFUSE TO MASK! For a year, endlessly it was exactly the same, over and over, and over. The WORST IN THE WORLD.

    Now, in order to explain why there were not the deaths you idiots like to claim it's because the US did pretty fucking good with masking a distancing, just only with influenza not covid? Like what in the actual fuck? It can't be that all these deaths were grouped into covid deaths, it just can't be that.

    The decrease in fatalities due to automobile accidents was around 3,000 people. The DOT keeps stats, generally 35,000 people a year die from car wrecks, it was 10% less.

    You have zero understanding about how the third world works, forgive me if I know more, I'm actually a citizen of a third world country and live in another.

    When California issues a stay at home order and closes restaurants then people all over the world in the poorest countries lose jobs, those countries do not have safety nets. When they lose jobs people starve, end of.

    Economies aren't about money, economies are about how people get the goods and services they need to stay alive. The UN, mind you this is the UN, not Breitbart said that an ADDITIONAL (do you understand what additional means? It means more, it means people who were not going to die) 10,000,000 people would die as a result of the economic slowdown of the global economy. I get it that you don't understand numbers but you do understand that 10,000,000 is more than 4,000,000 right? Seriously, you understand that right? 10,000,000 people will die because of the mitigation from a disease that in your fevered mind killed 4,000,000 and that ONLY this year. Again using last years numbers the UN (the UN again, not Breitbart) says that in 2020 an ADDITIONAL (there's that word again) 400,000,000 people have been reduced to extreme poverty. That is 5% of the entire population of the planet. Do you simply fail to understand the significance of that and simply shrug it off by saying that you're sick of people talking about money?

    No reasonable person is saying that covid isn't bad, there are some lunatic fringe people who will say that it was a hoax, it wasn't, I lost friends to covid. People I loved. That doesn't change the fact that MORE people will die from the mitigation, it's not that covid is nothing, it's that the hysterical response due to idiots like you posting none stop fear porn caused governments in the wealthy countries to over react and that is what is going to kill an additional 10 million people a year for a decade.

    So seriously, either address that 400,000,000 number or shut the fuck up because the read danger is about poverty, not covid. Maybe the picture will help.
    Yeah influenza went down more than covid because its rate of transmission and severity of disease is less than covid. Do people not understand that? People really think every viral disease should be mitigated exactly to the same degree if the same measures are taken? Incredible. I find the assumption that I know nothing of how the third world works laughable. Sounds like for a solid year you've been getting a lot of bad information. Yes economies got fucked. But it wasn't *just* because things were shut down. You think people in India from April till now could have just had an economy humming along when their friends, family, loved ones are dying left and right? When workers are dying left and right? Somehow just pretending it doesn't exist they could just keep the economy going and no one would go into poverty? People dying. Affects the economy. Hospitals being overrun. Affects the economy. When the pandemic first started no one knew with any amount of certainty how deadly and how transmissible this was. No one knew with any certainty the best way to mitigate transmission. So countries locked down for couple of months. People were wiping things down because they didn't know if it was transmitted through direct contact. Fast forward a year later and people are out here Monday morning quarterbacking the entire pandemic as if we knew everything we know now back then. Done wasting time arguing with the galactically stupid.

  4. #4274

    Billionaire wealth increased by 4 trillion dollars during the pandemic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Admin2  [View Original Post]
    And like everything else the covidiots talk about it's just fucking horseshit.

    For a year, a solid year all I ever heard was THE US IS THE WORST IN THE WORLD FOR COVID NUMBERS BECAUSE THE QANON PEOPLE REFUSE TO MASK! For a year, endlessly it was exactly the same, over and over, and over. The WORST IN THE WORLD.

    Now, in order to explain why there were not the deaths you idiots like to claim it's because the US did pretty fucking good with masking a distancing, just only with influenza not covid? Like what in the actual fuck? It can't be that all these deaths were grouped into covid deaths, it just can't be that.

    The decrease in fatalities due to automobile accidents was around 3,000 people. The DOT keeps stats, generally 35,000 people a year die from car wrecks, it was 10% less.

    You have zero understanding about how the third world works, forgive me if I know more, I'm actually a citizen of a third world country and live in another.

    When California issues a stay at home order and closes restaurants then people all over the world in the poorest countries lose jobs, those countries do not have safety nets. When they lose jobs people starve, end of.

    Economies aren't about money, economies are about how people get the goods and services they need to stay alive. The UN, mind you this is the UN, not Breitbart said that an ADDITIONAL (do you understand what additional means? It means more, it means people who were not going to die) 10,000,000 people would die as a result of the economic slowdown of the global economy. I get it that you don't understand numbers but you do understand that 10,000,000 is more than 4,000,000 right? Seriously, you understand that right? 10,000,000 people will die because of the mitigation from a disease that in your fevered mind killed 4,000,000 and that ONLY this year. Again using last years numbers the UN (the UN again, not Breitbart) says that in 2020 an ADDITIONAL (there's that word again) 400,000,000 people have been reduced to extreme poverty. That is 5% of the entire population of the planet. Do you simply fail to understand the significance of that and simply shrug it off by saying that you're sick of people talking about money?

    No reasonable person is saying that covid isn't bad, there are some lunatic fringe people who will say that it was a hoax, it wasn't, I lost friends to covid. People I loved. That doesn't change the fact that MORE people will die from the mitigation, it's not that covid is nothing, it's that the hysterical response due to idiots like you posting none stop fear porn caused governments in the wealthy countries to over react and that is what is going to kill an additional 10 million people a year for a decade.

    So seriously, either address that 400,000,000 number or shut the fuck up because the read danger is about poverty, not covid. Maybe the picture will help.
    We have more than enough food to provide for everyone on this planet. The shutdown isn't the issue, the issue is the money at the top refuses to budge and our shitty society is structured that way. This is why shit isn't going back to normal despite the vaccine and everything else. Our whole society has been revealed as unsustainable plutocracy.

  5. #4273
    Quote Originally Posted by Admin2  [View Original Post]
    And like everything else the covidiots talk about it's just fucking horseshit.

    For a year, a solid year all I ever heard was THE US IS THE WORST IN THE WORLD FOR COVID NUMBERS BECAUSE THE QANON PEOPLE REFUSE TO MASK! For a year, endlessly it was exactly the same, over and over, and over. The WORST IN THE WORLD.

    Now, in order to explain why there were not the deaths you idiots like to claim it's because the US did pretty fucking good with masking a distancing, just only with influenza not covid? Like what in the actual fuck? It can't be that all these deaths were grouped into covid deaths, it just can't be that.

    The decrease in fatalities due to automobile accidents was around 3,000 people. The DOT keeps stats, generally 35,000 people a year die from car wrecks, it was 10% less.

    You have zero understanding about how the third world works, forgive me if I know more, I'm actually a citizen of a third world country and live in another.

    When California issues a stay at home order and closes restaurants then people all over the world in the poorest countries lose jobs, those countries do not have safety nets. When they lose jobs people starve, end of.

    Economies aren't about money, economies are about how people get the goods and services they need to stay alive. The UN, mind you this is the UN, not Breitbart said that an ADDITIONAL (do you understand what additional means? It means more, it means people who were not going to die) 10,000,000 people would die as a result of the economic slowdown of the global economy. I get it that you don't understand numbers but you do understand that 10,000,000 is more than 4,000,000 right? Seriously, you understand that right? 10,000,000 people will die because of the mitigation from a disease that in your fevered mind killed 4,000,000 and that ONLY this year. Again using last years numbers the UN (the UN again, not Breitbart) says that in 2020 an ADDITIONAL (there's that word again) 400,000,000 people have been reduced to extreme poverty. That is 5% of the entire population of the planet. Do you simply fail to understand the significance of that and simply shrug it off by saying that you're sick of people talking about money?

    No reasonable person is saying that covid isn't bad, there are some lunatic fringe people who will say that it was a hoax, it wasn't, I lost friends to covid. People I loved. That doesn't change the fact that MORE people will die from the mitigation, it's not that covid is nothing, it's that the hysterical response due to idiots like you posting none stop fear porn caused governments in the wealthy countries to over react and that is what is going to kill an additional 10 million people a year for a decade.

    So seriously, either address that 400,000,000 number or shut the fuck up because the read danger is about poverty, not covid. Maybe the picture will help.
    Thanks for your comments A2. I also enjoy it when they first tell us not to wear a mask because we didn't need them based on the science. And then that we should wear two masks also based on the science.

    Why is it that we still have to wear masks even when we get the Covid-19 vaccine? I guess the politicians no longer trust vaccines because they know about the science of this virus.

    I was told that we had to wear masks so our icu wards won't be maxed out. Maybe we need to get some bond money so we can get some more hospitals in our third world state that we call home.

    I never saw the number of beds run out but I am not one of smart politicians that know more better than the rest of us. Who cares if we shut down the tourism industry. There are probably some good government jobs these displaced workers can find.

  6. #4272
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    I've heard this

    Quote Originally Posted by SilverTongued8  [View Original Post]
    The problem with looking at it through this lens is that you're not accounting for how changes in behavior due to covid likely reduced deaths in other ways. For example our influenza deaths in 2020 were way down compared to other years because of distancing and masking. We had less car accidents than other years because less people were on the road. So just because the change in total number of deaths didn't correspond 1:1 with the number of people who died from covid, that's because it was likely offset by changes in behavior that saved lives in other ways. There are plenty of countries who didn't do much to shut down their economies. It's a global economy. This was a global pandemic. Any disruptions in the supply chain in any of the countries were going to disrupt the global economy.
    And like everything else the covidiots talk about it's just fucking horseshit.

    For a year, a solid year all I ever heard was THE US IS THE WORST IN THE WORLD FOR COVID NUMBERS BECAUSE THE QANON PEOPLE REFUSE TO MASK! For a year, endlessly it was exactly the same, over and over, and over. The WORST IN THE WORLD.

    Now, in order to explain why there were not the deaths you idiots like to claim it's because the US did pretty fucking good with masking a distancing, just only with influenza not covid? Like what in the actual fuck? It can't be that all these deaths were grouped into covid deaths, it just can't be that.

    The decrease in fatalities due to automobile accidents was around 3,000 people. The DOT keeps stats, generally 35,000 people a year die from car wrecks, it was 10% less.

    You have zero understanding about how the third world works, forgive me if I know more, I'm actually a citizen of a third world country and live in another.

    When California issues a stay at home order and closes restaurants then people all over the world in the poorest countries lose jobs, those countries do not have safety nets. When they lose jobs people starve, end of.

    Economies aren't about money, economies are about how people get the goods and services they need to stay alive. The UN, mind you this is the UN, not Breitbart said that an ADDITIONAL (do you understand what additional means? It means more, it means people who were not going to die) 10,000,000 people would die as a result of the economic slowdown of the global economy. I get it that you don't understand numbers but you do understand that 10,000,000 is more than 4,000,000 right? Seriously, you understand that right? 10,000,000 people will die because of the mitigation from a disease that in your fevered mind killed 4,000,000 and that ONLY this year. Again using last years numbers the UN (the UN again, not Breitbart) says that in 2020 an ADDITIONAL (there's that word again) 400,000,000 people have been reduced to extreme poverty. That is 5% of the entire population of the planet. Do you simply fail to understand the significance of that and simply shrug it off by saying that you're sick of people talking about money?

    No reasonable person is saying that covid isn't bad, there are some lunatic fringe people who will say that it was a hoax, it wasn't, I lost friends to covid. People I loved. That doesn't change the fact that MORE people will die from the mitigation, it's not that covid is nothing, it's that the hysterical response due to idiots like you posting none stop fear porn caused governments in the wealthy countries to over react and that is what is going to kill an additional 10 million people a year for a decade.

    So seriously, either address that 400,000,000 number or shut the fuck up because the read danger is about poverty, not covid. Maybe the picture will help.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Covid poverty.jpg‎  

  7. #4271
    Quote Originally Posted by NerdFriday  [View Original Post]
    You need to stop looking at "COVID" when you look at the death toll. Just look at the worldwide death number, year to year.

    2015:55. 82 m.

    2016:56. 33 m.

    2017:56. 94 m.

    2018:57. 63 m.

    2019:58. 39 m.

    2020:59. 23 m.

    The standard deviation of deaths between 15' and 19' is 1. 021 million. The difference in deaths between 19' and 20' is 0. 84 m. This means that the deaths seen in 2020 are within the average range of increase in worldwide deaths in the years prior, and this is less than the 3. 9 m reported COVID death's that occurred in 2020. So, where are the other 3 million or so deaths attributed to COVID, if the death toll is 3. 9 million? Shouldn't we have seen about 4 million additional deaths this year, in addition to the average increase of about 1 million? As you can see, COVID did not "devastate" anything besides the global economy. It's not like the deaths in 2019 were 58 m and the deaths in 2020 were 65-70-100 m. Now do you see what I mean when the increase in deaths was not statistically relevant?

    Source: (I don't know if the link will post) https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-deaths-per-year?time=2000..2023&country=~OWID_WRL
    The problem with looking at it through this lens is that you're not accounting for how changes in behavior due to covid likely reduced deaths in other ways. For example our influenza deaths in 2020 were way down compared to other years because of distancing and masking. We had less car accidents than other years because less people were on the road. So just because the change in total number of deaths didn't correspond 1:1 with the number of people who died from covid, that's because it was likely offset by changes in behavior that saved lives in other ways. There are plenty of countries who didn't do much to shut down their economies. It's a global economy. This was a global pandemic. Any disruptions in the supply chain in any of the countries were going to disrupt the global economy.

  8. #4270
    Quote Originally Posted by Admin2  [View Original Post]
    About 250,000 extra people died in the US in 2020 as a result of covid, extra suicides, stress ect. That sounds like a lot when you put them all in a football stadium but in a country of 330,000,000 people it's not "far exceeded" what has "far exceeded" is the number of people worldwide starving to death as a direct result in the slowdown in the global economy. In March of 2020 the UN's council on hunger put that number at 10,000,000 EXTRA people, then the world over reacted and stayed closed for a year for you virtue signaling double mask and a face shield wearing mother fuckers and now it's probably 20,000,000 extra people who will die as a direct result of covid mitigation. Now that the cost of the mitigation is being seen worldwide they like to blame it on the "pandemic" but it wasn't the "pandemic," it was the people that refused to see that it was either have 5 million people die now or an extra 10,000,000 a year for a decade.

    Where does the extra 10,000,000 for a decade come from? At a minimum 400,000,000 additional people have been forced back into extreme poverty as a result of the mitigation (UN again), that's like 7% of the population of the entire fucking world and you virtue signalers are STILL refusing to face that. You panicked, exercised the largest expression of privilege I have ever seen and condemned the third world to starvation. That 400,000,000 number was from last year as well, it's probably 600,000,000 ADDITIONAL people. In January of 2020 there were 400,000,000 people worldwide living in extreme poverty, now there are 800,000,000 to a billion. We couldn't fix the 400,000,000 how in the fuck are we supposed to fix a billion with the worlds economy doing shit? All you virtue signalers like to laud Australia because they have "low numbers" except they all but suspended their constitution (do you know that only Australians and North Korean's need exit permits to leave their own country?) and suffer the largest contraction of their economy they have ever had. How many people worldwide do you need to kill so that you can save the world from covid?

    I am so sick of you virtue signaling just follow the science unless it leads to poor brown people starving mother fuckers I could fucking puke.

    Argentina, 44% increase in poverty in one year, over 60% of the children under the age of 14 have food insecurity but hey they are still wearing masks and social distancing.

    IF we had done NOTHING this would be over and in 20 years less people would have died.
    Yes, poverty increases when people are dying and they can't get to work or they're burying their loved ones. It's such myopia to think that if we had not shut down anything somehow people would still be showing up to work when they or their family members got sick or died. Worldwide 4 million people have died from COVID. The countries that did complete shutdowns like South Korea, Australia, New Zealand took less of an economic hit, got back up and running faster with less mitigation and less people dying. I'm so sick of you vice-signaling, anti-intellectual, care about nothing but money mother fuckers I could fucking puke.

  9. #4269
    Quote Originally Posted by SilverTongued8  [View Original Post]
    This is absolutely false. The number of all-cause mortality in 2020 far exceeded trends from the preceding 5 years. That being said, with the majority of people now vaccinated I find it very unlikely that any state governments will shutdown. Local masking indoors recommendations will likely fluctuate depending on local spread. Those who aren't vaccinated are at the highest risk. We'll likely be getting booster vaccines as variants emerge early as long as there's 20-30% of the population who refuse to get vaccinated.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...deaths-tracker

    https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-...c-cbdf5b386938
    You need to stop looking at "COVID" when you look at the death toll. Just look at the worldwide death number, year to year.

    2015:55. 82 m.

    2016:56. 33 m.

    2017:56. 94 m.

    2018:57. 63 m.

    2019:58. 39 m.

    2020:59. 23 m.

    The standard deviation of deaths between 15' and 19' is 1. 021 million. The difference in deaths between 19' and 20' is 0. 84 m. This means that the deaths seen in 2020 are within the average range of increase in worldwide deaths in the years prior, and this is less than the 3. 9 m reported COVID death's that occurred in 2020. So, where are the other 3 million or so deaths attributed to COVID, if the death toll is 3. 9 million? Shouldn't we have seen about 4 million additional deaths this year, in addition to the average increase of about 1 million? As you can see, COVID did not "devastate" anything besides the global economy. It's not like the deaths in 2019 were 58 m and the deaths in 2020 were 65-70-100 m. Now do you see what I mean when the increase in deaths was not statistically relevant?

    Source: (I don't know if the link will post) https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-deaths-per-year?time=2000..2023&country=~OWID_WRL

  10. #4268
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    Then apologies

    Quote Originally Posted by TrialnError  [View Original Post]
    Okay, I'm actually one who wants to move past this covid crap, keep the economies rolling and not look back. Just wanted to get opinions since our state is starting to make an issue of it again.
    I live in the third world and am watching it fucking die and all these motherfuckers keep doing is trying to justify the single stupidest thing that the world has ever done.

    Sincere apologies.

    A2.

  11. #4267
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    Bullshit

    Quote Originally Posted by SilverTongued8  [View Original Post]
    This is absolutely false. The number of all-cause mortality in 2020 far exceeded trends from the preceding 5 years. That being said, with the majority of people now vaccinated I find it very unlikely that any state governments will shutdown. Local masking indoors recommendations will likely fluctuate depending on local spread. Those who aren't vaccinated are at the highest risk. We'll likely be getting booster vaccines as variants emerge early as long as there's 20-30% of the population who refuse to get vaccinated.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...deaths-tracker

    https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-...c-cbdf5b386938
    About 250,000 extra people died in the US in 2020 as a result of covid, extra suicides, stress ect. That sounds like a lot when you put them all in a football stadium but in a country of 330,000,000 people it's not "far exceeded" what has "far exceeded" is the number of people worldwide starving to death as a direct result in the slowdown in the global economy. In March of 2020 the UN's council on hunger put that number at 10,000,000 EXTRA people, then the world over reacted and stayed closed for a year for you virtue signaling double mask and a face shield wearing mother fuckers and now it's probably 20,000,000 extra people who will die as a direct result of covid mitigation. Now that the cost of the mitigation is being seen worldwide they like to blame it on the "pandemic" but it wasn't the "pandemic," it was the people that refused to see that it was either have 5 million people die now or an extra 10,000,000 a year for a decade.

    Where does the extra 10,000,000 for a decade come from? At a minimum 400,000,000 additional people have been forced back into extreme poverty as a result of the mitigation (UN again), that's like 7% of the population of the entire fucking world and you virtue signalers are STILL refusing to face that. You panicked, exercised the largest expression of privilege I have ever seen and condemned the third world to starvation. That 400,000,000 number was from last year as well, it's probably 600,000,000 ADDITIONAL people. In January of 2020 there were 400,000,000 people worldwide living in extreme poverty, now there are 800,000,000 to a billion. We couldn't fix the 400,000,000 how in the fuck are we supposed to fix a billion with the worlds economy doing shit? All you virtue signalers like to laud Australia because they have "low numbers" except they all but suspended their constitution (do you know that only Australians and North Korean's need exit permits to leave their own country?) and suffer the largest contraction of their economy they have ever had. How many people worldwide do you need to kill so that you can save the world from covid?

    I am so sick of you virtue signaling just follow the science unless it leads to poor brown people starving mother fuckers I could fucking puke.

    Argentina, 44% increase in poverty in one year, over 60% of the children under the age of 14 have food insecurity but hey they are still wearing masks and social distancing.

    IF we had done NOTHING this would be over and in 20 years less people would have died.

  12. #4266
    Quote Originally Posted by NerdFriday  [View Original Post]
    There isn't going to be another shutdown regardless of the number of strains that are produced. The Govt. Has learned how expensive this last "stunt" was and how disproportionately disappointing the results between saving lives and economic loss were.

    In the now redacted study by John's Hopkins, it was shown that the deaths attributed to COVID did not statistically alter worldwide death tolls. In its simplest terms, the number of people who died in 2020 were about "normal" in comparison to any other year. This article was redacted SOLELY for the reason it was being misused in misinformation campaigns that were claiming COVID is not real. COVID is very real, but is not actually killing any more people than would normally die, yet we have caused trillions of dollars in economic loss because of it. Remember, COVID death reporting is a loosely guided subjective opinion, so death numbers are not an accurate scientific measurement, and that's what Cuomo is relying to avoid the fact he sentenced 1000's to their deaths with his massive overreaction.

    If anything, more mask-wearing and vaccination cards for some events in the event of a resurgence. They are not going to shutdown anything, especially not while people are getting paid more on unemployment than they are making working, any we have to pay off the trillions spent on recovery, LOL. That shit is real too. I literally have friends who boasted they were getting like $1,200 a week "cash" in addition to other assistance by not working, so that is defiantly not something made up.
    This is absolutely false. The number of all-cause mortality in 2020 far exceeded trends from the preceding 5 years. That being said, with the majority of people now vaccinated I find it very unlikely that any state governments will shutdown. Local masking indoors recommendations will likely fluctuate depending on local spread. Those who aren't vaccinated are at the highest risk. We'll likely be getting booster vaccines as variants emerge early as long as there's 20-30% of the population who refuse to get vaccinated.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...deaths-tracker

    https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-...c-cbdf5b386938

  13. #4265
    Okay, I'm actually one who wants to move past this covid crap, keep the economies rolling and not look back. Just wanted to get opinions since our state is starting to make an issue of it again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Admin2  [View Original Post]
    Shut the fuck up. Idiots like you and non stop fear porn over a virus that 99.74% who get it recover.

    As a direct result of the slowdown in the world economy due to covid "mitigation" an additional 10,000,000 or more people will starve to death worldwide and now that so many people are vaccinated the fear mongers are talking about "the variants, the variants".

    Seriously, sit down, shut the fuck up, and stop contributing to one of the largest holocausts the world has ever seen.

    A2.

  14. #4264
    Well, I agree we need to put this pandemic behind us. Economically and moral wise it is draining. The government is stopping the 300 plus up on UI so that's more incentive for people to get back to work.

    Quote Originally Posted by NerdFriday  [View Original Post]
    There isn't going to be another shutdown regardless of the number of strains that are produced. The Govt. Has learned how expensive this last "stunt" was and how disproportionately disappointing the results between saving lives and economic loss were.

    In the now redacted study by John's Hopkins, it was shown that the deaths attributed to COVID did not statistically alter worldwide death tolls. In its simplest terms, the number of people who died in 2020 were about "normal" in comparison to any other year. This article was redacted SOLELY for the reason it was being misused in misinformation campaigns that were claiming COVID is not real. COVID is very real, but is not actually killing any more people than would normally die, yet we have caused trillions of dollars in economic loss because of it. Remember, COVID death reporting is a loosely guided subjective opinion, so death numbers are not an accurate scientific measurement, and that's what Cuomo is relying to avoid the fact he sentenced 1000's to their deaths with his massive overreaction.

    If anything, more mask-wearing and vaccination cards for some events in the event of a resurgence. They are not going to shutdown anything, especially not while people are getting paid more on unemployment than they are making working, any we have to pay off the trillions spent on recovery, LOL. That shit is real too. I literally have friends who boasted they were getting like $1,200 a week "cash" in addition to other assistance by not working, so that is defiantly not something made up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrialnError  [View Original Post]
    Hope Hawaii can contain this strain. Don't want another quarantine / lockdown.
    There isn't going to be another shutdown regardless of the number of strains that are produced. The Govt. Has learned how expensive this last "stunt" was and how disproportionately disappointing the results between saving lives and economic loss were.

    In the now redacted study by John's Hopkins, it was shown that the deaths attributed to COVID did not statistically alter worldwide death tolls. In its simplest terms, the number of people who died in 2020 were about "normal" in comparison to any other year. This article was redacted SOLELY for the reason it was being misused in misinformation campaigns that were claiming COVID is not real. COVID is very real, but is not actually killing any more people than would normally die, yet we have caused trillions of dollars in economic loss because of it. Remember, COVID death reporting is a loosely guided subjective opinion, so death numbers are not an accurate scientific measurement, and that's what Cuomo is relying to avoid the fact he sentenced 1000's to their deaths with his massive overreaction.

    If anything, more mask-wearing and vaccination cards for some events in the event of a resurgence. They are not going to shutdown anything, especially not while people are getting paid more on unemployment than they are making working, any we have to pay off the trillions spent on recovery, LOL. That shit is real too. I literally have friends who boasted they were getting like $1,200 a week "cash" in addition to other assistance by not working, so that is defiantly not something made up.

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