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[JimStokes]

The interesting difference in Buckhead incorporating and Sandy Springs incorporating is that Buckhead has been within the jurisdiction of Atlanta since Mayor Hartsfield. Atlanta had tried, unsuccessfully, to annex Sandy Springs prior. Sandy Spring's incorporation was sought in part to prevent it from being annexed by Atlanta. So I think this makes Buckhead have a bit more of an uphill fight than Sandy Springs. But, the ammunition in political fights is money and Buckhead should have ammo.

Atlanta annexed Buckhead for the money. Similar to South Fulton annexing part of the FIB corridor which was to get 9 M in tax revenue. So losing Buckhead will cost Atlanta money, money that has to be found elsewhere if Buckhead gets its way. Maybe the legislature will let Atlanta legalize weed. Reduce policing, generate revenue.

If I recall Atlanta annexed the Charlie Brown Airport area and the area that has the new UPS facility as part of South Fulton picking up the FIB corridor. One could foresee CB Airport possible now becoming a second sight for commercial air traffic creating the second airport that gets bantered around every few years. Either way, I think this will be the final nail in the coffin for SW drives on FIB.

I guess that Buckhead will have to secede from Atlanta. But, southern secessions do not have a good track record.

[The Wiseacre]

Yes, it's a really old city, so the school system is 100+ years old. Same with Decatur and other cities with venerable school systems (I think 21 Georgia cities have city school systems.).

The constitution was amended in 1945, and they eliminated most of the city school systems at that time (there used to be 2000 city systems prior to 1945), but for reasons unknown to me (probably a cocktail of politics and geography) a handful remained.

The probably of Buckhead getting a city school system is zero.

O.

Buckhead getting a school system really isn't a priority. At all. Everyone involved know it's not going to happen. It's not on the wish list and there aren't votes in the statehouse.

Buckhead has wanted to follow Sandy Springs' lead for more than a decade and they will follow the same route if it's the one that will get the deal done.

[Ozymandias]

Was Buford Grandfathered in? They have had a city school system for a very long time.

Yes, it's a really old city, so the school system is 100+ years old. Same with Decatur and other cities with venerable school systems (I think 21 Georgia cities have city school systems.).

The constitution was amended in 1945, and they eliminated most of the city school systems at that time (there used to be 2000 city systems prior to 1945), but for reasons unknown to me (probably a cocktail of politics and geography) a handful remained.

The probably of Buckhead getting a city school system is zero.

O.

[CrestWood87]

Marietta City Schools are separate they are not part of the Cobb county school district. I'm not sure how long it has been that way.

[Jj3000]

Was Buford Grandfathered in? They have had a city school system for a very long time.

Well, Georgia's constitution prohibits cities from forming their own school systems, so that nixes anything like a "Buckhead City School System". The stated intent of the various secession folks is that kids will remain in the City of Atlanta system (the schools are there in Buckhead). I guess theoretically Fulton could build schools in Buckhead, but that's not something which would happen any time soon.

As far as sex workers, I would assume Buckhead will follow the lead of Sandy Springs, Brookhaven, etc. And will not be too friendly to them.

O.

[GoneForGood97]

Well, Georgia's constitution prohibits cities from forming their own school systems, so that nixes anything like a "Buckhead City School System". The stated intent of the various secession folks is that kids will remain in the City of Atlanta system (the schools are there in Buckhead). I guess theoretically Fulton could build schools in Buckhead, but that's not something which would happen any time soon.

As far as sex workers, I would assume Buckhead will follow the lead of Sandy Springs, Brookhaven, etc. And will not be too friendly to them.

O.

For Sandy Springs to be so unfriendly to providers, it feels like 40% of the higher quality girls post "Sandy Springs" as their meetup location, and the other 40% post Buckhead. Remaining 20% various places around the perimeter.

[Gary Ridgeway]

https://youtu.be/WCv4_ocNryQ

Officer acted according to his training! Per the police training academy. Complete rush to judgement by the former chief and current Mayor. The judgement was rushed but clearly calculated!

[Runon99]

how do you think Buckhead becoming its own city will affect the rental pussy market? Not sure where Buckhead city limits are / would be, but does this mean that the Piedmont KAMPs / CAMPs would fall into Buckhead territory and the new, (allegedly) upstanding Buckhead city council would be likely to shut down our favorite extras venues that have been operating unchallenged for decades? I don't delve into local politics so I ask your educated opinions.

The Piedmont KAMPs aren't in Buckhead now. If you're driving north on Piedmont, you pass Fat Matt's Rib place, the various spas near the intersection with Cheshire Bridge Road, and then go under the 85 freeway before you see the "Entering Buckhead Community" sign. That's also roughly the boundary that shows up on Google Maps.

The Rose Massage on Piedmont near Lindbergh does fall inside the boundary, as does whatever the place on Piedmont / Habersham turned into. And GG, the KAMP on Shadowlawn. Maybe some others that I don't know about.

[Ozymandias]

Oz, just a mild curiosity: How does a county school system play into the proposed Buckhead secession? Could Buckhead sustain a good school system without state / county resources?

More importantly (to everyone), how do you think Buckhead becoming its own city will affect the rental pussy market? Not sure where Buckhead city limits are / would be, but does this mean that the Piedmont KAMPs / CAMPs would fall into Buckhead territory and the new, (allegedly) upstanding Buckhead city council would be likely to shut down our favorite extras venues that have been operating unchallenged for decades? I don't delve into local politics so I ask your educated opinions.

Well, Georgia's constitution prohibits cities from forming their own school systems, so that nixes anything like a "Buckhead City School System". The stated intent of the various secession folks is that kids will remain in the City of Atlanta system (the schools are there in Buckhead). I guess theoretically Fulton could build schools in Buckhead, but that's not something which would happen any time soon.

As far as sex workers, I would assume Buckhead will follow the lead of Sandy Springs, Brookhaven, etc. And will not be too friendly to them.

O.

[Niteluvr]

Not meaning to thread jump and possibly will regret weighing in but boredom hates a vacuum. If Buckhead is incorporated as a city, it would receive the same resources for public schools that any other jurisdiction receives. Georgia public schools are primarily funded through property taxes collected by the county. Fulton County would still collect the tax with the money delegated to the Buckhead jurisdiction.

I think the impact on the game would be similar to when Sandy Springs incorporated. There was a time in the not too recent past when the area of Roswell Road outside the perimeter (where the Atlanta city limits stopped) was peppered with AMP's and the apartment complexes in the area were dens of in calls. Once Sandy Springs had its own police force, the AMP's disappeared both as a function of police but also real estate development. Several old houses used for spas were rezoned and redeveloped. Sandy Springs incorporated as a city successfully using an argument that Fulton County police provided inadequate policing and that residents wanted to avoid being enveloped by the City of Atlanta. Residents alleged that expanding Atlanta city limits to cover Sandy Springs would still result in Sandy Springs interests being underrepresented. Similar to claims arising for Buckhead incorporation.

Your comments about Sandy Springs are what I've been envisioning about the "new" Buckhead. I'm thinking a fresh mayor, city council and police department (combined with religious zealots) will shut down "sins of the flesh" venues and the fun times are over forever.

[I Luv Emall]

1. I'm pretty sure I didn't claim the APD were highest paid in the country. I do remember the top priority for Mayor Bottoms when sworn in was to give APD a raise because they're underpaid, like all police in this country. Being that it was one of her first actions and a high priority, I find it typical of American police that the moment they're critized for performance they get whiny and blame everything wrong on whoever critiqued their performance. This lack of ability to be critisized or pushed to improve is the primary reason that policing is so terrible. It's perfectly normal for any other profession to be critiqued and challenged to be better, regardless of what better looks like. For the US police force, there is no responsibility or reflection on how they can improve and SERVE the US populace better.

2. Tasers were deployed accross US police force to be used as a non lethal alternative to lethal force. I'm sorry if you cannot grasp this. If you'd like, I can provide a plethora of statements from police that describe instances where they had to use what they call "non-lethal" force. The second largest issue for the US police force is the reallocation of risk from the agents that police, to the populace that are policed. All federal armed forces have what they call rules of engagement. Unfortunately, the US police force can become violent with US citizens with much less restriction than our armed forces that police outside of our borders. Being a police officer is a dangerous job. It should not be okay for police to mitigate the danger by being overly aggressive towards the US populace.

3. Please explain what "cut the legs out from under" means. That's a meaningless phrase used by copagandist to reach the police state proponents that believe all rights are secondary to the rights of the US police force. The APD hasn't received a budget cut, officers haven't received a pay cut, nor have staff reductions occurred. Why is the US police force allowed to blame a rise in crime on criticism from their boss. If your job is to prevent crime, and you don't prevent crime, how is that anyones failure other than the people who's job it is to fight crime? If police are refusing to work, why are they still getting paid? Do you live in Atlanta? If you do, you would know that APD has been a terrible police force for far longer than a year.

1. see http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...orts&p=5146572#post5146572.

2. see http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...343&viewfull=1#post5147343.

3. explained in 1. Above. I think that's pretty self-explanatory, and I think the review board which recently reinstated those officers obviously felt the same way.

To be clear, I'm not disagreeing there are plenty of problems with the police force in the city of Atlanta, and in many police forces in general. There definitely need to be many changes made, and there are many abuses of power. I've seen it and witnessed it first hand too many times. This particular instance wasn't one of them, and the Mayor handled it deplorably. Sending that kind of message to the police force that your boss is going to make you a guinea pig for political expediency is what I mean by cutting the legs out. When you feel like you're putting your life on the line but you can't reasonably do your job for fear of being fired without even a fair trial, then why do your job? So far as the getting paid part, many of them aren't anymore. They just left the force and found other jobs. And that's partly why the city is in the shape it's in.

[NewDude]

I don't know, but unfortunately, he removed my post calling out your ignorant racist remarks as well, even though your post still remains quoted for all to see. As I said though, so far as Buckhead secession goes, I could care less, but when it comes to the Atlanta crime problem, you've already proven that you're prone to making ignorant, uneducated, and factually incorrect statements and stating them as if they are fact. You did it before claiming Atlanta APD was one of the highest paid in the country, which you were quickly proven wrong on. You also claimed tasers were not considered a lethal weapon and were also proven wrong on that. You claimed the Rayshard Brooks shooting was not defensible, meanwhile those officers have been reinstated by the oversight board, and given back pay to boot for their paid vacation, courtesy of Mayor Dumbbottoms.

In the meantime, Atlanta crime has skyrocketed, just as predicted after the illustrious Mayor cut the legs out from under the PD with this stupid move by undermining them at every turn. Even she has now admitted she screwed up and cannot control the problem, and in an attempt to try to get the police department to go back to work, has announced she won't run for re-election. The majority of the Atlanta PD is black, by the way, so that they refuse to work for this mayor should tell you this is not racially motivated.

1. I'm pretty sure I didn't claim the APD were highest paid in the country. I do remember the top priority for Mayor Bottoms when sworn in was to give APD a raise because they're underpaid, like all police in this country. Being that it was one of her first actions and a high priority, I find it typical of American police that the moment they're critized for performance they get whiny and blame everything wrong on whoever critiqued their performance. This lack of ability to be critisized or pushed to improve is the primary reason that policing is so terrible. It's perfectly normal for any other profession to be critiqued and challenged to be better, regardless of what better looks like. For the US police force, there is no responsibility or reflection on how they can improve and SERVE the US populace better.

2. Tasers were deployed accross US police force to be used as a non lethal alternative to lethal force. I'm sorry if you cannot grasp this. If you'd like, I can provide a plethora of statements from police that describe instances where they had to use what they call "non-lethal" force. The second largest issue for the US police force is the reallocation of risk from the agents that police, to the populace that are policed. All federal armed forces have what they call rules of engagement. Unfortunately, the US police force can become violent with US citizens with much less restriction than our armed forces that police outside of our borders. Being a police officer is a dangerous job. It should not be okay for police to mitigate the danger by being overly aggressive towards the US populace.

3. Please explain what "cut the legs out from under" means. That's a meaningless phrase used by copagandist to reach the police state proponents that believe all rights are secondary to the rights of the US police force. The APD hasn't received a budget cut, officers haven't received a pay cut, nor have staff reductions occurred. Why is the US police force allowed to blame a rise in crime on criticism from their boss. If your job is to prevent crime, and you don't prevent crime, how is that anyones failure other than the people who's job it is to fight crime? If police are refusing to work, why are they still getting paid? Do you live in Atlanta? If you do, you would know that APD has been a terrible police force for far longer than a year.

[JimStokes]

Oz, just a mild curiosity: How does a county school system play into the proposed Buckhead secession? Could Buckhead sustain a good school system without state / county resources?

More importantly (to everyone), how do you think Buckhead becoming its own city will affect the rental pussy market? Not sure where Buckhead city limits are / would be, but does this mean that the Piedmont KAMPs / CAMPs would fall into Buckhead territory and the new, (allegedly) upstanding Buckhead city council would be likely to shut down our favorite extras venues that have been operating unchallenged for decades? I don't delve into local politics so I ask your educated opinions.

Not meaning to thread jump and possibly will regret weighing in but boredom hates a vacuum. If Buckhead is incorporated as a city, it would receive the same resources for public schools that any other jurisdiction receives. Georgia public schools are primarily funded through property taxes collected by the county. Fulton County would still collect the tax with the money delegated to the Buckhead jurisdiction.

I think the impact on the game would be similar to when Sandy Springs incorporated. There was a time in the not too recent past when the area of Roswell Road outside the perimeter (where the Atlanta city limits stopped) was peppered with AMP's and the apartment complexes in the area were dens of in calls. Once Sandy Springs had its own police force, the AMP's disappeared both as a function of police but also real estate development. Several old houses used for spas were rezoned and redeveloped. Sandy Springs incorporated as a city successfully using an argument that Fulton County police provided inadequate policing and that residents wanted to avoid being enveloped by the City of Atlanta. Residents alleged that expanding Atlanta city limits to cover Sandy Springs would still result in Sandy Springs interests being underrepresented. Similar to claims arising for Buckhead incorporation.

The City of Atlanta's revenue generator is Hartsfield Jackson airport. Despite the airport footprint sitting in 5 jurisdictions, the airport itself is under the jurisdiction of the City of Atlanta. Losing Buckhead tax revenue, both sales and property, would undoubtedly hit Atlanta. Atlanta would have to raise its taxes. One unknown is, with work from home being a residual of the pandemic, how this will impact commercial real estate and the result on the office buildings in downtown and midtown and the impact on tax revenue.

I also think the City of South Fulton's annexation of FIB could be an indicator on what a Buckhead city outcome could be.

Politically being anti-drug and anti-prostitution was always a safe platform. With drug laws changing, anti-drug is not so safe anymore. Anti-prostitution is being recharacterized as anti-human trafficking with state officials using trafficking a blanket term presupposing that all women who are in the game are in it unconsensually. FOSTA-SESTA is a prime example that lead this approach.

I think Buckhead incorporating will mean a new police chief establishing an ant-trafficking task force resulting in a change to the game. But, maybe the old school graft and corruption could level the impact. Either way, prices inflate.

I think this year's mayoral election will be a factor on whether Buckhead becoming a city gains traction.

[NewDude]

I didn't realize I wasn't in the fight thread. Please censor as needed.

[Gary Ridgeway]

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/oas...le-court-order