Sugar Daddy Sites

[Justn Beaver]

This is the biggest L of all time. I really cannot stres that enough but I will tell the story so that it may help some of you.

Met her at a hotel. She comes to get me. She's not quite as attractive as her pics but good enough. We go to her room and her friend is there (who is WAY hotter). They are very interested in getting the sugar before we get down to business but they seem cool. Soon as I send the sugar via one of the various apps, the hot friend gets on the phone pretending to be freaked out because her bf / pimp is mad. They ask me to leave. I don't know what's going on and I am kind of buzzed so I leave. I call / text her and she says that he says you can stay if you send more sugar. I say no. She says I can come by the next day. I think you can guess that she didn't see me. I was mad bc it was not an insignificant amount of sugar by I take the L and move one.

Fast forward to today, I message someone on SA who claims to be clairemaddoxx on twitter and the porn star Violet Smith. Things seem to be going smoothly. Before I leave she asks if I want to hang out with her and her friend. I ask for pics of her friend and it turns out to be the chick who scammed me a few weeks ago! I say don't want to play with her. My plan was to confront her when I got there but it didn't turn out that way. She sends me the address which is a sketchy hotel in LA. I get to the room and it looks like the girl on SA and twitter. We talk for a while and she seems REALLY cool. She tells me she is in town on vacation and even tells me some heavy personal stuff. After talking for a while I abandons my plan because I figure she can't be that much of a scum bag to tell me that and then scam me. I send her the agreed upon sugar. She has problems with the sugar but it does go through. She can't transfer the sugar so she asks me to send it again via ANOTHER app and she will send the first sugar back. So, like an idiot, I send it BEFORE she sends me back the other payment. After both go through she says she needs to go to the bathroom. Guess who is in there? The chick who scammed me a few weeks ago. As I realize that I am a complete moron, some skinny, non desript white guy casually comes in the room. "Hello" I say. He says hello back. He proceeds to calmly tell me that I need to leave because they don't want me here anymore. At this point, I am stunned at how ruthless these people are and at how perfectly I got played. Initially, I say "what if I don't leave". He says, "Well we will deal with that if it comes to that". At this point, I honestly considered doing something I might regret to this guy. I am much bigger and stronger than this guy and was absolutely certain he could not hurt me whatsoever. I am trying to figure out if I can do something, other than getting into a physical altercation, that would cause them some sort of pain. The chick whom I was supposed to hang out with left her purse on the bed so I picked it up. At this point, the guy and the chick who scammed me previously seemed to panic a little. "It's nothing in there!" she says. I motion towards the door and the skinny white guy tries to put me in a full-nelson and I kid you not, it felt like a child trying to grab me. Now, at this point I realize that I really don't want to escalate this any further so I just throw the purse across the room, tell them that they are pieces of shit and leave. Needless to say I feel like a complete idiot but it was completely my fault. I should have known that was going to happen once I found out the previous scammer was involved but this is what happens when the little head thinks for the big head. That being said, these people ungodly pieces of shit. I sincerely hope they try this on the wrong person one day..

Hey guys,

I always wonder why people still use sites like SA and such since those types of sites destroyed the real non-pro world that flourished not to long ago of course that was also before every woman with a camera on her phone could post pictures on Instagram and delude herself that she was a model, LOL. The worst ones are now that most girls are fatties or have sleeve tats that scare poop out of me or pink and blue hair with 15 years of college and no employable skills. That is why the best place to pick up an eager beaver honey pot is at the retail outlets. Now a days there are not many shoppers and you can walk in and the cute workers come to you like you are a nectar filled flower. It is easy to say your shopping for a friend's birthday and strike up a conversation to get her to model and say some cheerful stuff about how she is so helpful and fun. Then just suggest you would like to buy her an item for her help while leaving your card and ask to meet on her off-time while you are in town frequently and suggest something that might make her think that she may get more than $15 for her time.

Sorry for your terrible experience and maybe this will help get you something more worthy of your decent behavior and understanding that there is a chronic systemic problem of dumb desperate people praying on regulars. Retail is really easy to do but you can browse and practice very easy like and I hope this is helpful.

Justn Beaver.

[RogerOver]

If they have your number then they probably (almost certainly) have that in their system and don't need to use twilio to look up your caller info or name. Even if they did is irrelevant, they need your number, which they can't just grab when you're using a browser sign up. You have to GIVE it to them by putting it your signup step, which is a nono. You can literally just put a fake number they don't do anything like 2 fa.

Sure. I thought we were talking about people trying to get a new account after being banned. What sort of idiot would use the same number they were banned under?

[TylerDurd]

Regarding the phone stuff, they are likely integrated with something like Twilio which returns the info and carrier on a number. They have an API integration that checks during signup. Go try signing up for a google account with a texting app number. Usually won't fly.

Lookup: Carrier and Caller Name - Twilio

If they have your number then they probably (almost certainly) have that in their system and don't need to use twilio to look up your caller info or name. Even if they did is irrelevant, they need your number, which they can't just grab when you're using a browser sign up. You have to GIVE it to them by putting it your signup step, which is a nono. You can literally just put a fake number they don't do anything like 2 fa.

[RogerOver]

There is no "mobile phone signature", unless you use an app. If you are in your phones browser the only thing it could use is cookies or session data so you just make sure that that is totally cleared. But more than likely they simply track IP addresses.

This can easily be dodged by just using mobile data (no wifi) on your phone (again, only use browser not app), or just get a vpn and you can browse on your computer. You also need to use completely unique data when signing up and, from what I've heard on here, even use unique photos you have never uploaded to your previously banned account.

Regarding the phone stuff, they are likely integrated with something like Twilio which returns the info and carrier on a number. They have an API integration that checks during signup. Go try signing up for a google account with a texting app number. Usually won't fly.

Lookup: Carrier and Caller Name - Twilio

[SunMoonStars11]

This is the biggest L of all time. I really cannot stres that enough but I will tell the story so that it may help some of you.

Met her at a hotel. She comes to get me. She's not quite as attractive as her pics but good enough. We go to her room and her friend is there (who is WAY hotter). They are very interested in getting the sugar before we get down to business but they seem cool. Soon as I send the sugar via one of the various apps, the hot friend gets on the phone pretending to be freaked out because her bf / pimp is mad. They ask me to leave. I don't know what's going on and I am kind of buzzed so I leave. I call / text her and she says that he says you can stay if you send more sugar. I say no. She says I can come by the next day. I think you can guess that she didn't see me. I was mad bc it was not an insignificant amount of sugar by I take the L and move one.

Fast forward to today, I message someone on SA who claims to be clairemaddoxx on twitter and the porn star Violet Smith. Things seem to be going smoothly. Before I leave she asks if I want to hang out with her and her friend. I ask for pics of her friend and it turns out to be the chick who scammed me a few weeks ago! I say don't want to play with her. My plan was to confront her when I got there but it didn't turn out that way. She sends me the address which is a sketchy hotel in LA. I get to the room and it looks like the girl on SA and twitter. We talk for a while and she seems REALLY cool. She tells me she is in town on vacation and even tells me some heavy personal stuff. After talking for a while I abandons my plan because I figure she can't be that much of a scum bag to tell me that and then scam me. I send her the agreed upon sugar. She has problems with the sugar but it does go through. She can't transfer the sugar so she asks me to send it again via ANOTHER app and she will send the first sugar back. So, like an idiot, I send it BEFORE she sends me back the other payment. After both go through she says she needs to go to the bathroom. Guess who is in there? The chick who scammed me a few weeks ago. As I realize that I am a complete moron, some skinny, non desript white guy casually comes in the room. "Hello" I say. He says hello back. He proceeds to calmly tell me that I need to leave because they don't want me here anymore. At this point, I am stunned at how ruthless these people are and at how perfectly I got played. Initially, I say "what if I don't leave". He says, "Well we will deal with that if it comes to that". At this point, I honestly considered doing something I might regret to this guy. I am much bigger and stronger than this guy and was absolutely certain he could not hurt me whatsoever. I am trying to figure out if I can do something, other than getting into a physical altercation, that would cause them some sort of pain. The chick whom I was supposed to hang out with left her purse on the bed so I picked it up. At this point, the guy and the chick who scammed me previously seemed to panic a little. "It's nothing in there!" she says. I motion towards the door and the skinny white guy tries to put me in a full-nelson and I kid you not, it felt like a child trying to grab me. Now, at this point I realize that I really don't want to escalate this any further so I just throw the purse across the room, tell them that they are pieces of shit and leave. Needless to say I feel like a complete idiot but it was completely my fault. I should have known that was going to happen once I found out the previous scammer was involved but this is what happens when the little head thinks for the big head. That being said, these people ungodly pieces of shit. I sincerely hope they try this on the wrong person one day.

Now, I have had GREAT success on SA but I also have been scammed before. However, I had never encountered scammers who went this far. Never. Scammers usually don't try this hard but these people were professionals. The scammer's name is Valerie by the way and she is most likely middle eastern with a flabby body. The other chick told me her full name but who knows if it was real but also I don't want to go against the rules of the board. Again, the thing that still makes me mad and amazes me is how organized they were. They really have a game and it works beautifully on nice, well-to-do guys like me.

I did learn more lessons though. The first is, don't be greedy and constantly look for new blood. I actually know enough women where I don't really need to be on the site as much as I am.

The second is, be careful using the site like an alternative to HX. While you can do this, you are opening up yourself to be scammed because SA is an unlimited source of targets. As you can see.

Also, at a certain point I learned to trust my gut. If they display scammer behavior, then they are probably a scammer. If not, still better to find someone who you don't have to wonder about. Clearly I didn't take my own advice tonight.

Lastly, if you ever find yourself in a situation like I was in tonight, just take the L and move on. You can always make more sugar. No need to get into an altercation over piece of shit scammers.

[Bobby O]

I'm sloppy and talk about ppm, bareback, all kinds of shit. I never get banned.

Be careful, I did that for 6 months before I got banned. And I was a premium paying member.

[FirstClass1]

I'm sloppy and talk about ppm, bareback, all kinds of shit. I never get banned.

The guys that do as you're doing risk getting banned sooner or later, and are often reported by salty SBs. The site has gotten much more strict about this since FOSTA, to cover their ass.

It's better to take the convo offsite as soon as you can, and use more neutral terms like "mutually beneficial" or "friends with benefits" at the beginning of the conversation. The site can't ding you for these terms, as they use them themselves.

Once you've established that the girl is DTF, you can begin to text more openly.

[PussyDestroyr]

For laughs, I emailed SA customer service asking why my account was deleted.

SA Responsed: We found out you were banned for soliciting. You are banned for life from all SA related sites.

So SA tracks mobile phone signatures. Using a burner phone, mobile network, DuckDuckGo Browser will not hide you.

This is the movie "Matrix" like scenario. You are being watched at all times.

Thankfully, SA does not have a monopoly on the SB world.

I'm sloppy and talk about ppm, bareback, all kinds of shit. I never get banned.

[TylerDurd]

For laughs, I emailed SA customer service asking why my account was deleted.

SA Responsed: We found out you were banned for soliciting. You are banned for life from all SA related sites.

So SA tracks mobile phone signatures. Using a burner phone, mobile network, DuckDuckGo Browser will not hide you.

This is the movie "Matrix" like scenario. You are being watched at all times.

Thankfully, SA does not have a monopoly on the SB world.

There is no "mobile phone signature", unless you use an app. If you are in your phones browser the only thing it could use is cookies or session data so you just make sure that that is totally cleared. But more than likely they simply track IP addresses.

This can easily be dodged by just using mobile data (no wifi) on your phone (again, only use browser not app), or just get a vpn and you can browse on your computer. You also need to use completely unique data when signing up and, from what I've heard on here, even use unique photos you have never uploaded to your previously banned account.

[Bobby O]

For laughs, I emailed SA customer service asking why my account was deleted.

SA Responsed: We found out you were banned for soliciting. You are banned for life from all SA related sites.

So SA tracks mobile phone signatures. Using a burner phone, mobile network, DuckDuckGo Browser will not hide you.

This is the movie "Matrix" like scenario. You are being watched at all times.

Thankfully, SA does not have a monopoly on the SB world.

I also was also banned recently and got the same message! Any slick way to re-join?

[Happtrav]

For laughs, I emailed SA customer service asking why my account was deleted.

SA Responsed: We found out you were banned for soliciting. You are banned for life from all SA related sites.

So SA tracks mobile phone signatures. Using a burner phone, mobile network, DuckDuckGo Browser will not hide you.

This is the movie "Matrix" like scenario. You are being watched at all times.

Thankfully, SA does not have a monopoly on the SB world.

I'd guess they got tired of you freeloading. And I don't understand the utility of browsing profiles if you are never going to pay to be able to message a girl.

[FirstClass1]

Being the moderator I just thought I would add my 2 cents. At 1k per visit I guess we can all agree that we could rent any girl, or at least 97% of what's out there for that price. But if you remember, Heidi's girls started at 2k per meet up. And an associate of mine that used to own one of the larger escort platforms told me that 5k - 20k charges were not unusual.

While I originally started this thread to share tips and tricks on how to increase game (i.e. - get the most bang for your buck), there have never been any restrictions as to the type of posts that can be shared (with the exception of underage girls, direct contact info like phone #'s and email addresses, or anything the site admin may deem to be in violation of their terms of service). And pictures are always welcome.

Well said, HG.

Everyone has different philosophies about what they're looking for, and different approaches. It is up to us to adapt what we get from these threads and forums to our own pursuits. Some guys believe "pussy is pussy," and seriously believe a crack *** in Skid Row who bathes once a month is just as pleasurable and appealing as a gorgeous model or cute spinner who is clean, fresh and healthy. So long as they're $200 or less. Their budgets are their main concern.

I and a few other guys here DO believe there is a fundamental difference between an extra loose, yeasty, smelly and a tight, juicy, fragrant, sweet tasting pussy. We prize quality more than quantity. Whether we get a great bargain, or throw down a bit more coin within our means, it is quality we're after.

The irony is that the same guys who drag someone for sharing a 1 k tryst with a hot young model type are also bragging about their homeless GILFs in other threads.

Domino's example is by his own admission an outlier. If I had come across her first, I likely would have flown her to me all expenses paid over the past year and filled up all her holes every other week. That being said, I have also had girls who asked for substantial amounts at the beginning, who in subsequent dates would go down to nothing or next to nothing, once they began to enjoy my company more than my resources.

In the end, as long as you're satisfied with what you got, and are keeping healthy, you are doing just fine. Happy hunting, guys.

[RogerOver]

Being the moderator I just thought I would add my 2 cents. At 1k per visit I guess we can all agree that we could rent any girl, or at least 97% of what's out there for that price. But if you remember, Heidi's girls started at 2k per meet up. And an associate of mine that used to own one of the larger escort platforms told me that 5k - 20k charges were not unusual.

While I originally started this thread to share tips and tricks on how to increase game (i.e. - get the most bang for your buck), there have never been any restrictions as to the type of posts that can be shared (with the exception of underage girls, direct contact info like phone #'s and email addresses, or anything the site admin may deem to be in violation of their terms of service). And pictures are always welcome.

Everyone has a type of girl and a methodology for acquiring them that meets their comfort zone. And that will vary as much as the girls available and the guys that appreciate them. Inherently there really is no right or wrong way to go about this as long as your wallet, your health and your legal standing are not being compromised in any way that would be considered detrimental to your general well being.

For the new guys, just remember, you don't have to be rich to play in this game. You just need some disposable income, whatever that may be, to partake. This thread is just a buffet table of advice. Pick up what's palatable / doable and leave the rest. The opinions shared here do not necessarily reflect those of the moderator, but respectfully, all are welcome.

Everyone always seems to have a hissy-fit when another guy pays an amount they wouldn't. I look at it like BBFS. Your dick, your business. Your money, your business.

I might propose that $40-60 is the range for a happy ending at AMPs, but I still don't get upset if they want to pay $200 because it's none of my business.

For one guy, spending $200 might have the same fiscal impact as another spending $20.

[HollywoodGuy]

Being the moderator I just thought I would add my 2 cents. At 1k per visit I guess we can all agree that we could rent any girl, or at least 97% of what's out there for that price. But if you remember, Heidi's girls started at 2k per meet up. And an associate of mine that used to own one of the larger escort platforms told me that 5k - 20k charges were not unusual.

While I originally started this thread to share tips and tricks on how to increase game (i.e. - get the most bang for your buck), there have never been any restrictions as to the type of posts that can be shared (with the exception of underage girls, direct contact info like phone #'s and email addresses, or anything the site admin may deem to be in violation of their terms of service). And pictures are always welcome.

Everyone has a type of girl and a methodology for acquiring them that meets their comfort zone. And that will vary as much as the girls available and the guys that appreciate them. Inherently there really is no right or wrong way to go about this as long as your wallet, your health and your legal standing are not being compromised in any way that would be considered detrimental to your general well being.

For the new guys, just remember, you don't have to be rich to play in this game. You just need some disposable income, whatever that may be, to partake. This thread is just a buffet table of advice. Pick up what's palatable / doable and leave the rest. The opinions shared here do not necessarily reflect those of the moderator, but respectfully, all are welcome.

[Domino727]

Had money*, before you spent 1 k on a Famous Star sold to you as a filet mignon. There's a difference between being broke and cheap and being frugal and savvy my friend.

Her name is Lori and I was seeing her for 1 year before she moved to Miami when Covid struck. We still play whenever she comes back to LA, about twice a year. She is Russian / American. And yes, that is her real, bonefide ass in the pic.

I used to pay her $200 for an hour of complete fun, including anal. She is 5 ft1 and weighs 100 lb. 24 years old. Really really sweet. A complete, fit workout warrior. Bisexual who loves to eat pussy. That is her girlfriend in Miami at the moment. God, what I would give to be in the middle of that. A complete nympho. Needs sex several times a day.

We once fucked for 5 straight hours. Suffice to say I am an old fart at 53, and the next day my body was killing me at work. It got to the point where she began to spend the night, so I bumped it up to $300. She never asked for more money. We saw each other once a week. We still keep in touch.

This is her. Living proof that you don't need to spend 1 k. I believe that is what Hollywood guy always preaches. I admit, she was the proverbial unicorn. Extremely difficult, but not Impossible to replace.