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  1. #20863
    Quote Originally Posted by JDoe1969  [View Original Post]
    I would be curious to know if they have video recording of Phil grabbing the woman inappropriately at all? If they do, then does that mean every customer at ever spa is recorded with all the woman? That could mean an eventual bust for tons of people. If there is no video, then it is his word against hers. I have to say if they have video that should make everyone nervous about being recorded in private rooms.
    I hope not. That would be insanely unethical but it happens. Robert Kraft was caught via cameras in the private room ceilings for example. However, many places have obvious cameras in the parking lot, in the entrance, and in the waiting areas. Like they don't even try to hide them. It's just an assumed risk in the hobby. If they're determined to, they will find a way to identify you.

  2. #20862
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbalaya  [View Original Post]
    Spent the weekend in Battle Creek for some fun outings, and hoped to stop and see Mikki at Oriental on the way back. Unfortunately, lost my ass financially over the weekend, so no buffer for any additional fun activities. Decided to stop at McDonald's off of Ann Arbor Road to grab a bite along my 3 hour drive home and end up seeing the spa just 3 doors down. Maybe next time I guess.
    Thanks for the update. I too was planning on going to an AMP yesterday but didn't have the funds. Anybody else?

  3. #20861

    Was Phil video recorded?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThrobbinWood  [View Original Post]
    Is there any chance that Phil could be charged with sexual assault or gross sexual imposition if in fact he grabbed as the report says he did?
    I would be curious to know if they have video recording of Phil grabbing the woman inappropriately at all? If they do, then does that mean every customer at ever spa is recorded with all the woman? That could mean an eventual bust for tons of people. If there is no video, then it is his word against hers. I have to say if they have video that should make everyone nervous about being recorded in private rooms.

  4. #20860

    Mr Regular

    Quote Originally Posted by IAmNotMe  [View Original Post]
    I wish they followed the same protocol as you mentioned. While I was enjoying peace and quiet with a great massage from Suzy, a loud monger comes in and they put him in the room next to me. After his loudness and the Korean language chatter between Suzy and the other girl, it finally goes silent. Either he died or fell asleep because I didn't hear another peep out of him. It would be nice if the city would let these AMP's put the doors back on the rooms so customers could relax in peace and quiet. Suzy is a pretty girl though, she's fit and also provides a good massage with standard ending. I'd repeat.
    That's not the norm, sounds like it was just unfortunate timing with the jerk that happened to come in when you were? But the way you explained it, it sounds likely that your Suzy told the other girl to quickly shut him up, because she & Yoko do have the courtesy to be aware of things, that on rare occasions happen like that, and they will calm things down, bc its not good for business! So I guess the "HANDFUL" of times I've been there (LOL) I've been lucky by not experiencing any distraction's like that? And I most certainly agree with wanting doors, although doubtful that the city will change, lets call it "the curtain code".

  5. #20859
    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbalaya  [View Original Post]
    Spent the weekend in Battle Creek for some fun outings, and hoped to stop and see Mikki at Oriental on the way back. Unfortunately, lost my ass financially over the weekend, so no buffer for any additional fun activities. Decided to stop at McDonald's off of Ann Arbor Road to grab a bite along my 3 hour drive home and end up seeing the spa just 3 doors down. Maybe next time I guess.
    I haven't seen Mikki since she was at Hawaii Spa but I believe she's currently at Lucky Spa, not Oriental. Someone who's been there more recently can confirm.

  6. #20858

    Bummed

    Spent the weekend in Battle Creek for some fun outings, and hoped to stop and see Mikki at Oriental on the way back. Unfortunately, lost my ass financially over the weekend, so no buffer for any additional fun activities. Decided to stop at McDonald's off of Ann Arbor Road to grab a bite along my 3 hour drive home and end up seeing the spa just 3 doors down. Maybe next time I guess.

  7. #20857

    Need doors instead of curtains

    Quote Originally Posted by GolDark  [View Original Post]
    Yes I forgot that part too. The curtains are just god awful, especially during busy days (which seems like most days now). People walking in and out, mongers waiting in the front, talking on the phone, you can hear the guy in the room next door moaning, farting, or getting jerked off. Not worth going during busy hours if relaxation is one of your goals.
    These spas have to convince the city to let them put the doors back on. It's ridiculous the amount of noise that goes on. I'm there to relax, not be on the edge every second. A few weeks ago at one establishment I had to listen to a guy coughing so much he sounded like he was hacking up a lung. I could hear him spitting part of his lung into a Kleenex and giving it to the poor masseuse he was with. Just recently at a different establishment I hear this guy telling his masseuse how just two weeks prior he had bad diarrhea. I thought, oh no, this guys going to start farting and shitting out an intestine. Luckily that didn't happen. Please let the doors go back on.

  8. #20856
    Quote Originally Posted by OnAnonAnon  [View Original Post]
    Met a buddy for burgers, beers and beers last night. Let's call him Phil. Phil is a talker. Phil is a crier. Phil is a wreck.

    He confused Ocean Wellness Livonia (OWL, strictly legit IME) for Ocean Asian Novi (OAN, YMMV IME). While face down, his opening gambit was to grab a handful ass. GILF sternly rebuffed him. On the flip, he went for the Full Trump (handful of pussy). GILF ended his session 15 minutes early and told him to leave. So he left. Without paying. He says that she told him to leave, not pay & leave. So he followed her instructions and left. Really?

    Mamasan calls twice. He sent her call to VM and blocked her. VM was her demanding to be paid the fee for the full hour. He ignored her.

    Next morning he has a text message from a different number telling him to return and pay. He calls, expecting to toy with mamasan. A guy answers and proceeds to address Phil by his legal name, then describes his car, license plate, home address, clothes, mask and hat. And tells him to return and pay the mamasan. Phil hangs up, then calls again. This is where Phil goes full stupid: He shrewdly attempts to negotiate $20, not the full $70 since the GILF would not play. And is promptly thanked for admitting to CSC that he dashed without paying. <Click .

    But Phil is on the express train to Stupidville. He calls the guy a third time to deny everything. Then recants the denial, claiming he has video of the GILF giving him a HJ and tells the guy to FO or he will go to the cops and get OWL raided. But the bluff does not work. Phil is told to preserve the video, that a detective will call and arrange to collect the video as evidence. But there was no HJ and Phil has no video. Phil hangs up on the guy and begins to worry that his calls may have been recorded. Duh!

    Less than a minute later Phil received a call from a Restricted number. The VM claims to be Livonia PoPo. The phone number is legit for LPD. Phil calls! Phil talks! Phil learns that LPD has already seen the videos and has a report / complaint and is issuing an arrest warrant for fraud.

    Phil calls the guy a fourth time thinking that maybe he can negotiate a fat tip in exchange for mamasan promising not to prosecute. And the guy somehow knows that Phil JUST hung up with Detective ABC at LPD and he already knows about the arrest warrant. WTF?

    I suggest that Phil shut up & lawyer up. But it may be too little, too late for Phil.

    I used a bit of Google-Fu. And the guy texting Phil ultimately leads to a pic of a younger version of the olde man in OWL's back room, kit'd out and posing with a DHS helicopter. I smell bacon.

    OWL does a damn fine, legit, deep tissue massage, but extras are unavailable and they apparently punish bad behavior.
    Sounds a bit far fetched. With the amount of money those places make are they really going to make an issue involving the authorities over a hundred bucks or so? Not saying it ain't so, but it sounds a little far fetched.

  9. #20855
    Quote Originally Posted by MrRegular  [View Original Post]
    Hardly any noise at all, there's a long hall way that has a few room (s) on both sides of the hall, there's 2 rooms on one side and 1 or 2 room (s) on the other side, and the most you'll hear is if someone comes in while your session is on going, & if another girl is available, she'll walk with the new arrival down the hall to another room, and maybe or maybe not, they'll walk past the room your in? And at most you'll hear a bit of conversation between them as they stroll by your closed curtain doorway? The providers at Famous are very polite & friendly.
    I wish they followed the same protocol as you mentioned. While I was enjoying peace and quiet with a great massage from Suzy, a loud monger comes in and they put him in the room next to me. After his loudness and the Korean language chatter between Suzy and the other girl, it finally goes silent. Either he died or fell asleep because I didn't hear another peep out of him. It would be nice if the city would let these AMP's put the doors back on the rooms so customers could relax in peace and quiet. Suzy is a pretty girl though, she's fit and also provides a good massage with standard ending. I'd repeat.

  10. #20854
    Quote Originally Posted by IAmNotMe  [View Original Post]
    They never moved. The only thing that changed is the doors to the rooms are removed now and it's only curtains on the door openings making it difficult to relax.
    Yes I forgot that part too. The curtains are just god awful, especially during busy days (which seems like most days now). People walking in and out, mongers waiting in the front, talking on the phone, you can hear the guy in the room next door moaning, farting, or getting jerked off. Not worth going during busy hours if relaxation is one of your goals.

  11. #20853
    Quote Originally Posted by LostInDetroit  [View Original Post]
    Hey All! Been a while since I've been on the boards but curios to know what has been going on with SWB lately. I drove past the old location expecting it to be something new (since last year they had a sign up in their window that they were moving to a new location up the road) but the SWB sign was still up above the building, the open sign still in the window (not lit because it was really early in the morning) and the "we're moving" sign taken down in the window. What happened here? Did they move and then move back to the old location? Last I heard, when they moved locations the extras seemed to vanish. Any info? PM's are always welcome.
    Same location, they didn't move. The one report that said the extras vanished was a fabricated report from a monger that had his lies called out and wrote a review full of half truths because he threw a temper tantrum. Hand jobs are still available from all providers.

  12. #20852
    Quote Originally Posted by LostInDetroit  [View Original Post]
    Hey All! Been a while since I've been on the boards but curios to know what has been going on with SWB lately. I drove past the old location expecting it to be something new (since last year they had a sign up in their window that they were moving to a new location up the road) but the SWB sign was still up above the building, the open sign still in the window (not lit because it was really early in the morning) and the "we're moving" sign taken down in the window. What happened here? Did they move and then move back to the old location? Last I heard, when they moved locations the extras seemed to vanish. Any info? PM's are always welcome.
    They never moved. The only thing that changed is the doors to the rooms are removed now and it's only curtains on the door openings making it difficult to relax.

  13. #20851

    Did I Miss Something Here?

    Hey All! Been a while since I've been on the boards but curios to know what has been going on with SWB lately. I drove past the old location expecting it to be something new (since last year they had a sign up in their window that they were moving to a new location up the road) but the SWB sign was still up above the building, the open sign still in the window (not lit because it was really early in the morning) and the "we're moving" sign taken down in the window. What happened here? Did they move and then move back to the old location? Last I heard, when they moved locations the extras seemed to vanish. Any info? PM's are always welcome.

  14. #20850
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    Hell yes

    Quote Originally Posted by ThrobbinWood  [View Original Post]
    Is there any chance that Phil could be charged with sexual assault or gross sexual imposition if in fact he grabbed as the report says he did?
    Penny wise, pound foolish.

  15. #20849
    Quote Originally Posted by OnAnonAnon  [View Original Post]
    Met a buddy for burgers, beers and beers last night. Let's call him Phil. Phil is a talker. Phil is a crier. Phil is a wreck.

    He confused Ocean Wellness Livonia (OWL, strictly legit IME) for Ocean Asian Novi (OAN, YMMV IME). While face down, his opening gambit was to grab a handful ass. GILF sternly rebuffed him. On the flip, he went for the Full Trump (handful of pussy). GILF ended his session 15 minutes early and told him to leave. So he left. Without paying. He says that she told him to leave, not pay & leave. So he followed her instructions and left. Really?

    Mamasan calls twice. He sent her call to VM and blocked her. VM was her demanding to be paid the fee for the full hour. He ignored her.

    Next morning he has a text message from a different number telling him to return and pay. He calls, expecting to toy with mamasan. A guy answers and proceeds to address Phil by his legal name, then describes his car, license plate, home address, clothes, mask and hat. And tells him to return and pay the mamasan. Phil hangs up, then calls again. This is where Phil goes full stupid: He shrewdly attempts to negotiate $20, not the full $70 since the GILF would not play. And is promptly thanked for admitting to CSC that he dashed without paying. <Click .

    But Phil is on the express train to Stupidville. He calls the guy a third time to deny everything. Then recants the denial, claiming he has video of the GILF giving him a HJ and tells the guy to FO or he will go to the cops and get OWL raided. But the bluff does not work. Phil is told to preserve the video, that a detective will call and arrange to collect the video as evidence. But there was no HJ and Phil has no video. Phil hangs up on the guy and begins to worry that his calls may have been recorded. Duh!

    Less than a minute later Phil received a call from a Restricted number. The VM claims to be Livonia PoPo. The phone number is legit for LPD. Phil calls! Phil talks! Phil learns that LPD has already seen the videos and has a report / complaint and is issuing an arrest warrant for fraud.

    Phil calls the guy a fourth time thinking that maybe he can negotiate a fat tip in exchange for mamasan promising not to prosecute. And the guy somehow knows that Phil JUST hung up with Detective ABC at LPD and he already knows about the arrest warrant. WTF?

    I suggest that Phil shut up & lawyer up. But it may be too little, too late for Phil.

    I used a bit of Google-Fu. And the guy texting Phil ultimately leads to a pic of a younger version of the olde man in OWL's back room, kit'd out and posing with a DHS helicopter. I smell bacon.

    OWL does a damn fine, legit, deep tissue massage, but extras are unavailable and they apparently punish bad behavior.
    This was a superbly entertaining read, thanks for the story!

    This is not surprising. Most of the spas have some level of security similar to what you described to protect the girls from sexual assault or go after those who don't pay what they're supposed to. Also, spa owners, managers, and many of the girls themselves read message boards like this one to get an idea of what's going on from the monger perspective.

    Basically just don't be a creep or asshole, and most of us should have no problems at all.

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