The Raleigh area "Sugar Bowl" (SA, WYP, SD4 ME)

**Rapk9394** · 04-21-21 22:16

Originally Posted by AzBadger7 [View Original Post]

Just a few thoughts from my experience:

1) If you start out with a basic intro message and ask "how are you? "how's your day going? Etc. If the their response is "Could be better", "It's been rough lately" or anything similar. Don't waste anymore time, they're about to drop some sob story that ends with a Cashapp request for whatever bullshit reason.

2) Never Cashapp anyone before meeting. Wait until you get what you want before payment of any kind.

3) I almost never do a meet and greet. It's up to you, maybe you prefer to wine and dine your sugar baby. But I find it to be a waste of time, and some of these girls just want a free meal with no intention of going further. Most of them are willing to go straight to the bedroom if you talk to them the right way / don't treat them like a piece of meat.

4) When discussing price, almost every SB will feed you some variation of the line "my past sugar daddy paid me $X, no way I'll do $Y". Stand firm in negotiations. 500 per month could probably get you 2, possibly 3 meetups with a decent looking girl. The more attractive / GPS girls usually ask for at least 400-500 per meet.

I'm sure there is more I'm forgetting at the moment, but some basic things to look out for.

Thanks man will keep these in mind. Good to know 500 will get me somewhere between 2 or maybe 3 meet.

Do people normally do ppm or monthly allowance? What are the pros / cons?

**AzBadger7** · 04-21-21 21:58

Just a few thoughts from my experience:

1) If you start out with a basic intro message and ask "how are you? "how's your day going? Etc. If the their response is "Could be better", "It's been rough lately" or anything similar. Don't waste anymore time, they're about to drop some sob story that ends with a Cashapp request for whatever bullshit reason.

2) Never Cashapp anyone before meeting. Wait until you get what you want before payment of any kind.

3) I almost never do a meet and greet. It's up to you, maybe you prefer to wine and dine your sugar baby. But I find it to be a waste of time, and some of these girls just want a free meal with no intention of going further. Most of them are willing to go straight to the bedroom if you talk to them the right way / don't treat them like a piece of meat.

4) When discussing price, almost every SB will feed you some variation of the line "my past sugar daddy paid me $X, no way I'll do $Y". Stand firm in negotiations. 500 per month could probably get you 2, possibly 3 meetups with a decent looking girl. The more attractive / GPS girls usually ask for at least 400-500 per meet.

I'm sure there is more I'm forgetting at the moment, but some basic things to look out for.

Originally Posted by Rapk9394 [View Original Post]

Fellas, I recently sign up for a free account on SA just to see what's out there.

There seems to be a good number of ladies on there (I haven't develop a sense for scammer yet) plus I got a dozen of messages in my inbox that I can't read which makes me want to take the plunge to pay for a month.

Any advice or caution that I should take before shelling out the money?

Any tips to make the most out of the one month membership?

Does 500 per month sound reasonable or it's better to stick to stg, eros and such?

Thanks in advance!

**Rapk9394** · 04-21-21 19:52

Fellas, I recently sign up for a free account on SA just to see what's out there.

There seems to be a good number of ladies on there (I haven't develop a sense for scammer yet) plus I got a dozen of messages in my inbox that I can't read which makes me want to take the plunge to pay for a month.

Any advice or caution that I should take before shelling out the money?

Any tips to make the most out of the one month membership?

Does 500 per month sound reasonable or it's better to stick to stg, eros and such?

Thanks in advance!

**VincentCor74** · 04-21-21 14:51

Originally Posted by Bb211 [View Original Post]

Ok V-Man what are the results? A deposit scam, just a no show ghost, GPS, minions waiting with baited breath.

Unfortunately, I don't know.

I never got asked for a deposit; but I also never got an email telling me an address or anything so I just forgot about it.

**Bb211** · 04-21-21 13:04

Originally Posted by VincentCor74 [View Original Post]

I went ahead and "booked" with her for Friday lunch appointment. Via chat she seems pretty legit. Has NOT asked for a deposit. Yet. Though local curmudgeon Pubb says it's a deposit scam. I'll let you know if it comes to fruition.

Ok V-Man what are the results? A deposit scam, just a no show ghost, GPS, minions waiting with baited breath.

**Ignoramus** · 04-21-21 09:45

Originally Posted by VincentCor74 [View Original Post]

The average apartment rent in Raleigh right now is $1250 per month. It'd be cheaper to just get divorced, pay alimony / child support and just date.

Sugar Babies in this market should be $150-200 per meet. IF they are attractive and can host.

Was what we agreed on to start. As far as buying the kid a toy, this (and about 3 other requests I didn't mention) were fielded to me after I'd been given "her" address, and then when I got there and asked her just to walk outside so I knew she was real, she said she couldn't because the kids were there. SCAM.

I reported every profile who did crap like this. Also, on WYP, there is an epidemic of girls who will "accept" your offer, waste your tokens, and never reply after that. I have so far received refunds for 3 because of this.

**VincentCor74** · 04-21-21 08:37

Originally Posted by jobobtheclown [View Original Post]

Honestly? After a year on SA, this seems like a pretty good success rate to me. Especially as the "buy their kid a toy" one sounds legit, so that puts you at about 1 win out of 5 on average.

And paying for rent usually ends up being a pretty reasonable allowance. So long as you don't meet her on the 1st and she expects you to pay up right then, that's a decent deal.

The average apartment rent in Raleigh right now is $1250 per month. It'd be cheaper to just get divorced, pay alimony / child support and just date.

Sugar Babies in this market should be $150-200 per meet. IF they are attractive and can host.

**jobobtheclown** · 04-20-21 21:06

Originally Posted by Ignoramus [View Original Post]

So far, on 2 sites referenced in this thread, I have paid to communicate with 10 girls, 1 of which I met and it was mediocre, she was paranoid with too many rules for a "sugar baby," she drank all my booze that I brought (at her request), seemed sad when I wouldn't pay her rent for the month, and I realized she was the textbook definition of a succubus, but one with severe mental issues lurking under the surface, so I had to find creative ways to bail out of the situation so that she would direct her imminent latent anger elsewhere.

That was the one I actually met.

The other 9 have either accepted my requests and never replied when I said hello, talked and said all they wanted was coffee, or pictures, or wasted my time asking for money for their kids, gas money to get back to NC, or to go to the store and buy their kid a toy so he can "go play in the yard with Bobby" when I get there.

I shit you not. So WTF?

Honestly? After a year on SA, this seems like a pretty good success rate to me. Especially as the "buy their kid a toy" one sounds legit, so that puts you at about 1 win out of 5 on average.

And paying for rent usually ends up being a pretty reasonable allowance. So long as you don't meet her on the 1st and she expects you to pay up right then, that's a decent deal.

**Ignoramus** · 04-20-21 18:47

So far, on 2 sites referenced in this thread, I have paid to communicate with 10 girls, 1 of which I met and it was mediocre, she was paranoid with too many rules for a "sugar baby," she drank all my booze that I brought (at her request), seemed sad when I wouldn't pay her rent for the month, and I realized she was the textbook definition of a succubus, but one with severe mental issues lurking under the surface, so I had to find creative ways to bail out of the situation so that she would direct her imminent latent anger elsewhere.

That was the one I actually met.

The other 9 have either accepted my requests and never replied when I said hello, talked and said all they wanted was coffee, or pictures, or wasted my time asking for money for their kids, gas money to get back to NC, or to go to the store and buy their kid a toy so he can "go play in the yard with Bobby" when I get there.

I shit you not. So WTF?

**Summe4** · 04-19-21 22:53

Beware. PM me for details since I am getting several inquiries from my post on Escort Reports.

https://www.seeking.com/member/63432...0-9c5b49567a49

**Hiamey** · 04-17-21 02:14

Planning a M&G with this one. But wanted to know if any has had experience with her.

https://www.seeking.com/member/87027...f-8bcbccc3474a

**Spitfire** · 04-16-21 06:08

Originally Posted by Hiamey [View Original Post]

Any leads on this lady. Seems she is just passing through.

https://www.seeking.com/member/7f6df...7-c3a8edb98d42

She's also on Eros with the name Isabella.

https://www.eros.com/carolinas/files...2.htm?cat=4370

**Hiamey** · 04-16-21 00:48

Any leads on this lady. Seems she is just passing through.

https://www.seeking.com/member/7f6df...7-c3a8edb98d42

**Maxamillion8** · 04-13-21 16:59

She is taken, just searching for some fool to pay her more so she can get more comfort.

Definitely not worth it.

MM.

Originally Posted by DcTraveler2019 [View Original Post]

Messaged with the below this morning and wanted 1 k ppm.

https://www.seeking.com/member/2b00e...3-9749ebaf197a

**DJprofessorK** · 04-13-21 13:05

Originally Posted by jobobtheclown [View Original Post]

I believe some of them have no intention of meeting, and are just trying to get people to buy them things on their wishlist or stupidly send deposits or other compensation before a meet. If you offer to meet and they say online only, they can in theory get banned as fake. If they just quote a price that's crazy high, they don't get in trouble when you don't accept.

They may also have decided they don't want to see you personally, and don't want to deal with the drama of telling you that. It's a tactic I've seen used in business negotiations: if a vendor comes back at 5 x the cost of others during a deal, it's their saving-face way of saying "we don't want this contract; we're not a good fit. ".

That said, I don't know why they bother; it would take an act of god for a girls' account to get banned on SA. I bookmark ones I report as being blatantly false, and check back on another browser: there are SB's using pics from UK-based pornstars that still have live, active accounts months later. I can't even get them to ban accounts that say "I don't want to meet, I'm just selling foot pics" as their opening message on SA!

I have a crackpot theory that SA retains the rights to use profiles that are hidden or temporarily halted by the user. On more than one occasion, women who I was still seeing felt that they had made enough contacts to temporarily stop using their account. Both of their accounts showed back up in my inbox, same pictures, but attributed to different cities. I actually showed one of them my inbox and her mouth dropped, she screamed, 'What the hell! That's not me!'

Another woman I still speak with and see occasionally, her profile popped back up, but now it says that she's in Los Angeles. Same pictures and everything.

I have no way of proving this, but I believe that SA has staffers or is using some sort of outsourced group that will maintain profiles. Keep them active. Read emails. And possibly provide mundane responses that never go anywhere and never result in face to face meets. Just enough activity to claim that they have 'live members'. Again, I could be absolutely wrong. Oh well.