Sugar bowl sites and sugar babies

[EliasJay]

I can see how someone has that perspective, but I feel like there is a market for every price point on SA. It's all subjective. We all like different things and are willing to pay for them, and they all like different things and are willing to accept more or less based on those preferences. The lady charging me 4 might be seeing 3 other people that pay 200 and one that pays 600. It might not mean she's picky, it might just mean I didn't negotiate as well as the others, or she because of something I want she inflates the price.

I agree that if they can get 400 from guy A they will almost certainly try to get 400 from B,C,D at the same time. But I do think that if they're getting a higher ppm then they will probably see less guys at once. Girls getting 100 ppm are probably seeing everyone they can while 400 girl is likely a little more picky / choosey / seeing a small number of clients.

[TossAway7]

I get it, I just don't believe it's a strong assumption to make. A guy can guy can pay whatever, and a girl can say whatever, but if one guy for 400 is good then 4 guys for 400 is better.

I agree that if they can get 400 from guy A they will almost certainly try to get 400 from B,C,D at the same time. But I do think that if they're getting a higher ppm then they will probably see less guys at once. Girls getting 100 ppm are probably seeing everyone they can while 400 girl is likely a little more picky / choosey / seeing a small number of clients.

[PJSugarDaddy]

CelestialVixen. Sophia on SA.

Any info. Been texting back and forth.

Claims she lives downtown.

Looking for arrangement not PPM, won't even meet for a drink even.

If compensated just to see how we Click / get along.

Anyone have any experience with this one?

She Wouldn't state a Allowance amount?

[EliasJay]

I get it, I just don't believe it's a strong assumption to make. A guy can guy can pay whatever, and a girl can say whatever, but if one guy for 400 is good then 4 guys for 400 is better.

Perhaps, much lower opportunity for that from my experience.

BTW, its a phrase, not intended at you personally.

I do negotiate, but I will pay. I also keep an extra non-paying account thats not active but I can check on whos still on the site. If they remain, and theyre regularly active, I dump them. I pay one month at a time, when I find someone I get off, when Im looking I sign up.

If you see two people disagree, it doesnt mean one is right. Its worked for me so far, after seven years on SA. If Im seeing someone 2-3 times a month, with an agreed arrangement, I dont want them riding more guys than a race horse. I look for more longer term arrangements, not 2 different women a week. Theres a lot that I do to find the right match, Ive had one 3 year arrangement and two over one year. It depends on what you can afford and what you want. To each his own. I test drive a few times, then its dump or pump. I dont let money stop me from someone I want to see, I dont miss it, the money for the SB.

[MiningForGold]

Would you rather pay 400 and be one of the 5 guys she's fucking instead?

Perhaps, much lower opportunity for that from my experience.

BTW, its a phrase, not intended at you personally.

I do negotiate, but I will pay. I also keep an extra non-paying account thats not active but I can check on whos still on the site. If they remain, and theyre regularly active, I dump them. I pay one month at a time, when I find someone I get off, when I’m looking I sign up.

If you see two people disagree, it doesnt mean one is right. Its worked for me so far, after seven years on SA. If Im seeing someone 2-3 times a month, with an agreed arrangement, I dont want them riding more guys than a race horse. I look for more longer term arrangements, not 2 different women a week. Theres a lot that I do to find the right match, Ive had one 3 year arrangement and two over one year. It depends on what you can afford and what you want. To each his own. I test drive a few times, then its dump or pump. I dont let money stop me from someone I want to see, I dont miss it, the money for the SB.

[EliasJay]

Most of these women are looking for a monthly income total. You can get both of these for $300 if you agree to meet 3-4 times a month. I'll admit, I hate the negotiation. I rarely go over $400, but probably overpay by $100 - $150. One of my issues is I don't want to pay $200 -$250 and be one of 5 guys they're fucking at the same time.

Would you rather pay 400 and be one of the 5 guys she's fucking instead?

[Semper314]

Most of these women are looking for a monthly income total. You can get both of these for $300 if you agree to meet 3-4 times a month. I'll admit, I hate the negotiation. I rarely go over $400, but probably overpay by $100 - $150. One of my issues is I don't want to pay $200 -$250 and be one of 5 guys they're fucking at the same time.

This is exactly what I've noticed. They say if you want to meet once a week 300. Since I only plan on twice a month it's 600. That's not happening.

[MiningForGold]

At 400 dollars per get together. You should pretty much be getting any girl you want on there. Too rich for my budget. I will take your leftovers at 250-300. Great report and thank you sir!

Most of these women are looking for a monthly income total. You can get both of these for $300 if you agree to meet 3-4 times a month. I'll admit, I hate the negotiation. I rarely go over $400, but probably overpay by $100 - $150. One of my issues is I don't want to pay $200 -$250 and be one of 5 guys they're fucking at the same time.

[ChrisHansen92]

At 400 dollars per get together. You should pretty much be getting any girl you want on there. Too rich for my budget. I will take your leftovers at 250-300. Great report and thank you sir!

A mouthful.

Demands $200 to meet, no negotiation, requires condoms.

Neglected84.

$400 PPM. Lots of personal issues, I'll say no more than that.

SassySweetNurse.

$400 PPM, saw a few times but wants to meet from 1-3:30, then off to pick up kids. Last time, saw her 3 times, she spent almost an hour on a conference call with me waiting for her. She looks like photos.

TashaS91.

Her first response was "What's your PPM price?" I said I'm not providing on site as I don't want to be banned, she said guys do it all the time. I offered to do it by text or email, she refused citing her personal privacy. Good bye.

Verysexybeautiful.

Should be Veryscaryscammer.

Met her about 2 years ago, she threatened to call my wife by text if I didn't pay her $1,500. I told her call her, I'm not married. Total scum.

Glam15.

Met her but never went anywhere. She lived in Peoria then, lists St. Louis, perhaps she moved. Only wants a rich guy to marry, zero personality.

KennedyMeow.

Former stripper at Hustler.

Don't be a fucking loser douchbag and relay any of this to these women, none of them I see now, but it's for your information, based on my personal knowledge or experience.

[DoubleDown11]

A mouthful.

Demands $200 to meet, no negotiation, requires condoms.

Neglected84.

$400 PPM. Lots of personal issues, I'll say no more than that.

SassySweetNurse.

$400 PPM, saw a few times but wants to meet from 1-3:30, then off to pick up kids. Last time, saw her 3 times, she spent almost an hour on a conference call with me waiting for her. She looks like photos.

TashaS91.

Her first response was "What's your PPM price?" I said I'm not providing on site as I don't want to be banned, she said guys do it all the time. I offered to do it by text or email, she refused citing her personal privacy. Good bye..

I feel like should not need to be said. Do not repeat any info, but I guess it does.

[MiningForGold]

A mouthful.

Demands $200 to meet, no negotiation, requires condoms.

Neglected84.

$400 PPM. Lots of personal issues, I'll say no more than that.

SassySweetNurse.

$400 PPM, saw a few times but wants to meet from 1-3:30, then off to pick up kids. Last time, saw her 3 times, she spent almost an hour on a conference call with me waiting for her. She looks like photos.

TashaS91.

Her first response was "What's your PPM price?" I said I'm not providing on site as I don't want to be banned, she said guys do it all the time. I offered to do it by text or email, she refused citing her personal privacy. Good bye.

Verysexybeautiful.

Should be Veryscaryscammer.

Met her about 2 years ago, she threatened to call my wife by text if I didn't pay her $1,500. I told her call her, I'm not married. Total scum.

Glam15.

Met her but never went anywhere. She lived in Peoria then, lists St. Louis, perhaps she moved. Only wants a rich guy to marry, zero personality.

KennedyMeow.

Former stripper at Hustler.

Don't be a fucking loser douchbag and relay any of this to these women, none of them I see now, but it's for your information, based on my personal knowledge or experience.

[Qrout]

All of your questions will vary between different SDs and SBs based on their preferences.

It is important to never talk about money on Seeking. Get onto text as soon as possible. Any mention of money using the Seeking chat platform risks you getting booted off (with no refund) for promoting prostitution. Yes, we all know why we are there, but you can't say it. Lots of girls are reluctant to go to chat on another platform (girls get lots of scammers, just like the guys do), so you may have to save actual money talk for a M&G. But it really sucks to get to a M&G and find that she expects $5k per month or calculates her PPM by the hour. So if you can at least get basic needs and expectations out of the way in chat it will save you some time.


I always want to chat a bit online -- even before the COVID stuff -- to make sure that scheduling a M&G is even worth my time. Things like what are they expecting from a relationship? Is intimacy even an option (lots of platonic or online only nowadays). Are they looking for an allowance or a PPM situation? What kinds of interactions are they interested in outside of intimacy (trips? Outdoor activities? Dining? Netflix & chill?) That can all happen at the M&G, but if you clear it up in chat you can save yourself an awkward coffee or lunch date. With COVID precautions, you could do this over video chat, but I'm old fashioned and I like to have a real face-to-face M&G.

Beyond the details of the arrangement, I also want to know what kind of a person she is. Will we get along? Do we enjoy the same music, tv, movies? Do we share the same interests or values? (Or do you even care about that if you are fucking a hot 20 year old?) I once suggested a first date at a local book fair, followed by drinks. Her response was "Books? What you you want to buy books for? Are you still in school?" I noped right out of that one.

I always do an unpaid M&G first (I'll throw in $20 for gas, babysitter, parking, uber, depending on the situation). Never ever pay anything in advance. One common scam is for girls to claim they had car trouble or ran out of gas on the way to see you and ask for help. If you send them money, you'll never see it or them again.

The M&G is important for all the things I mentioned above. Is this someone you want to spend time with (and vice versa). How much support does she expect, and in what form? What will you get in exchange? Sometimes, if the M&G goes well you can set up a follow-up date or even continue the M&G in a more intimate setting. But don't expect it. It's a job interview, not the first day of work.

I prefer the M&G to be at a bar, just so I know she is over 21. Don't be afraid to ask to see her I'd if you are unsure.

That's up to your (and her) comfort level. Some guys never have the SB come to their house -- always a hotel. But of course that adds $100 to the cost of every date. If that's going to be the case, be sure to include that in your allowance discussion. A lot of SBs complain that the guy promised her $X but after they met up he gave her less because he had to get a hotel. That's scummy bullshit, in my opinion. It's guy who pull shit like that who make it harder for the honest guys.

Some SBs never want to be seen in public with their SDs (either they are embarrassed to be seen out with an old guy, or are just afraid of being seen by friends or family). Some SBs will host at their place, but if she has family, roommates, neighbors she may not. Same goes for you.

I live alone and don't care what my neighbors think, so I have no problem having girls come over. There have been times when I wished a girl didn't know where I lived, but that's a risk I'm willing to take.

This is very useful. Thanks for taking the time to explain all of this. A lot ot guys will benefit from this.

[KC Questor]

I have been reading this forum for while to learn how the SA scene works. I am thinking about dipping my toe in. Because it costs so much to get set up I am wondering if folks on the board can answer a few questions to help me decide if it is worth it for my situation. Typically how much of the details do you work out with the lady before you meet for the first time? I know manners and small talk count for a lot but in theory the SD and SB all know why they are on SB. When connecting online how much introductory small talk is customary before you get to the point? How typical is it to do meet and greet first? I live in the city and my neighbors know me pretty well. One thing I would worry about is if things go bad the lady knows where you live. Do you usually have the lady come to your place? Does anyone go to their place? Any incites would be appreciated.

All of your questions will vary between different SDs and SBs based on their preferences.

in theory the SD and SB all know why they are on SB.

It is important to never talk about money on Seeking. Get onto text as soon as possible. Any mention of money using the Seeking chat platform risks you getting booted off (with no refund) for promoting prostitution. Yes, we all know why we are there, but you can't say it. Lots of girls are reluctant to go to chat on another platform (girls get lots of scammers, just like the guys do), so you may have to save actual money talk for a M&G. But it really sucks to get to a M&G and find that she expects $5k per month or calculates her PPM by the hour. So if you can at least get basic needs and expectations out of the way in chat it will save you some time.

Typically how much of the details do you work out with the lady before you meet for the first time? When connecting online how much introductory small talk is customary before you get to the point?

I always want to chat a bit online -- even before the COVID stuff -- to make sure that scheduling a M&G is even worth my time. Things like what are they expecting from a relationship? Is intimacy even an option (lots of platonic or online only nowadays). Are they looking for an allowance or a PPM situation? What kinds of interactions are they interested in outside of intimacy (trips? Outdoor activities? Dining? Netflix & chill?) That can all happen at the M&G, but if you clear it up in chat you can save yourself an awkward coffee or lunch date. With COVID precautions, you could do this over video chat, but I'm old fashioned and I like to have a real face-to-face M&G.

Beyond the details of the arrangement, I also want to know what kind of a person she is. Will we get along? Do we enjoy the same music, tv, movies? Do we share the same interests or values? (Or do you even care about that if you are fucking a hot 20 year old?) I once suggested a first date at a local book fair, followed by drinks. Her response was "Books? What you you want to buy books for? Are you still in school?" I noped right out of that one.

How typical is it to do meet and greet first?

I always do an unpaid M&G first (I'll throw in $20 for gas, babysitter, parking, uber, depending on the situation). Never ever pay anything in advance. One common scam is for girls to claim they had car trouble or ran out of gas on the way to see you and ask for help. If you send them money, you'll never see it or them again.

The M&G is important for all the things I mentioned above. Is this someone you want to spend time with (and vice versa). How much support does she expect, and in what form? What will you get in exchange? Sometimes, if the M&G goes well you can set up a follow-up date or even continue the M&G in a more intimate setting. But don't expect it. It's a job interview, not the first day of work.

I prefer the M&G to be at a bar, just so I know she is over 21. Don't be afraid to ask to see her I'd if you are unsure.

I live in the city and my neighbors know me pretty well. One thing I would worry about is if things go bad the lady knows where you live. Do you usually have the lady come to your place? Does anyone go to their place? Any incites would be appreciated.

That's up to your (and her) comfort level. Some guys never have the SB come to their house -- always a hotel. But of course that adds $100 to the cost of every date. If that's going to be the case, be sure to include that in your allowance discussion. A lot of SBs complain that the guy promised her $X but after they met up he gave her less because he had to get a hotel. That's scummy bullshit, in my opinion. It's guy who pull shit like that who make it harder for the honest guys.

Some SBs never want to be seen in public with their SDs (either they are embarrassed to be seen out with an old guy, or are just afraid of being seen by friends or family). Some SBs will host at their place, but if she has family, roommates, neighbors she may not. Same goes for you.

I live alone and don't care what my neighbors think, so I have no problem having girls come over. There have been times when I wished a girl didn't know where I lived, but that's a risk I'm willing to take.

[DoubleDown11]

TeiganMarie28.

Dancer from one of the clubs don't remember which. Fake titties are kind of garbage very semi pro type but pricing was good due to lack of action at the club lately.

Theonetheonly4321.

Thicker tatted up girl who lives on the Ill side. Meeting can be a challenge on timing but very enthusiastic as she seems to really get into and enjoy fucking.

Bohobaby0514.

This one would be a hard pass for me again. She is married and husband does not care. When she showed up I could see why. Her pics are older and out dated or angled. She is larger than I expected but very in expensive like 200 So if you are into that on a cheap.

Katybabi.

It has been over 6 months since I say her but another very large woman who's pics do not match. She was so bad I can her $20 bucks and passed on her.

Happy Hunting.

[DoubleDown11]

Couple of updates.

Ariesapio.

She is a lot of fun. Very aggressive if you like that type. Curvy but not huge. She will be a short time thing as she is finishing school and moving. Wants M&G first but worth the time.

Katydid91.

I know she has been reviewed on here before. She is back on the site and lost her job recently so very flexible on pricing. Has live in BF that knows what she does. Super freaky pretty much anything goes.

GinandTonic53.

It takes some time and effort of messages to get to meet her but OMG. The most fun I have had in a bit. Small and petite. Pretty much any thing goes and she can or will host.

As always, happy hunting. DM open with any additional questions.