"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[Sgt Soros]

Got it all wrong. It's treating yourself with respect and quality ladies see that in a man.

Correction, it's treating each other with respect and quality ladies like that in a man.

[DetroitJohnny]

It makes me happy to see these stories on here. I get so jaded reading all these reports about haggling over $10 for a BJ. It's nice to know there are dudes out there who treat the ladies with respect.

Got it all wrong. It's treating yourself with respect and quality ladies see that in a man.

[SoonerFan72]

Google Voice works great. The advice below is solid, set up a completely separate Gmail account and use that for your Google Voice account. I've been using GV for almost 10 years and it's been extremely reliable (and flexible).

You can have all your texts (and attachments!) forwarded to your gmail account for archival purposes. You can also have texts and calls forwarded directly to your main phone number, but that can get tricky if you're not really careful. I recommend using the free GV app for everything, it works great.

While we're on the subject of Google Voice, I want to pass along something I started doing recently. I don't have a SB right now and haven't been seeing anyone lately. My GV account is quiet. For security purposes I want to be able to log completely out of the GV app on my phone to minimize any risk of accidental discovery. But given I stay in touch with former SB's, I want to receive a timely notification if I had a new text message on my GV number. The easiest solution would be to use the email forwarding option to have my text messages sent to my gmail account, then set up a filter to forward them to my primary email address. The problem with that is the emails contain the sender's phone number and text message itself. That's not good for business. I want to receive a generic notification. Here's how I achieved that:

- Create a free account at Zapier.com.

- Set up a "zap" to check your gmail account for a new message that matches a search or label you define.

- When the zap is triggered, have it send an email to the address of your choice.

You can define the sender name / subject / message of the email that's sent. So in my case, when a new GV text comes through, Zapier sends me a generic email I wrote that looks like a standard notification from one of my web sites. But when I get it, I know I have a new message waiting for me on my GV number.

The free Zapier account runs every 15 minutes. So I'll always get that notification email within 15 minutes of a new text coming in. That's good enough for me.

A couple of important considerations:

- I only turn these notifications on when I'm not expecting to use the account for a while. That way my GV account is out of sight and out of mind, the app is dormant on my phone and I don't have to remember to log in and check it periodically.

- If a message comes in and I am going to engage in a conversation, I use the GV app or web interface to turn email forwarding off until I go dormant again. Otherwise every text message will trigger an email notification and quickly burn through the limits of the free tier on the Zapier account.

I hope this helps some of you guys.

JD.

I actually just use the GV web client from my PC, or my cell phone, to log in and check messages. I don't use GV for calling, just texting. I also have a burner phone I keep at the office, its just plugged in charging in my desk. I use it when I'm going to meet a SB. But I still use the GV client and not the burner phone number. Everything is completely off my main phone and Gmail account, they are completely separate.

[JoyDrop]

Google Voice works great. The advice below is solid, set up a completely separate Gmail account and use that for your Google Voice account. I've been using GV for almost 10 years and it's been extremely reliable (and flexible).

You can have all your texts (and attachments!) forwarded to your gmail account for archival purposes. You can also have texts and calls forwarded directly to your main phone number, but that can get tricky if you're not really careful. I recommend using the free GV app for everything, it works great.

While we're on the subject of Google Voice, I want to pass along something I started doing recently. I don't have a SB right now and haven't been seeing anyone lately. My GV account is quiet. For security purposes I want to be able to log completely out of the GV app on my phone to minimize any risk of accidental discovery. But given I stay in touch with former SB's, I want to receive a timely notification if I had a new text message on my GV number. The easiest solution would be to use the email forwarding option to have my text messages sent to my gmail account, then set up a filter to forward them to my primary email address. The problem with that is the emails contain the sender's phone number and text message itself. That's not good for business. I want to receive a generic notification. Here's how I achieved that:

- Create a free account at Zapier.com.

- Set up a "zap" to check your gmail account for a new message that matches a search or label you define.

- When the zap is triggered, have it send an email to the address of your choice.

You can define the sender name / subject / message of the email that's sent. So in my case, when a new GV text comes through, Zapier sends me a generic email I wrote that looks like a standard notification from one of my web sites. But when I get it, I know I have a new message waiting for me on my GV number.

The free Zapier account runs every 15 minutes. So I'll always get that notification email within 15 minutes of a new text coming in. That's good enough for me.

A couple of important considerations:

- I only turn these notifications on when I'm not expecting to use the account for a while. That way my GV account is out of sight and out of mind, the app is dormant on my phone and I don't have to remember to log in and check it periodically.

- If a message comes in and I am going to engage in a conversation, I use the GV app or web interface to turn email forwarding off until I go dormant again. Otherwise every text message will trigger an email notification and quickly burn through the limits of the free tier on the Zapier account.

I hope this helps some of you guys.

JD.

[GoneForGood97]

I am getting back in the sugar game after a few years.

I have digits of a couple of girls but don't want anything to trace back to me.

Do you guys have any suggestions for good burner phones or apps.

Thanks in advance.

I use the MySudo app, and pay the one dollar a month subscription. It's privacy focused, and although the app subscription can be traced to me, none of the phone numbers, calls, or texts are (supposedly), and everything's encrypted.

[SoonerFan72]

I am getting back in the sugar game after a few years.

I have digits of a couple of girls but don't want anything to trace back to me.

Do you guys have any suggestions for good burner phones or apps.

Thanks in advance.

I've been using Google Voice for years, it works great. I suggest creating a new Gmail account strickly for mongering. Use that account to sign up for a Google Voice number, its free. Once signed up, you can text and talk via GV with chics without them knowing your real number.

[Frankie14]

I am getting back in the sugar game after a few years.

I have digits of a couple of girls but don't want anything to trace back to me.

Do you guys have any suggestions for good burner phones or apps.

Thanks in advance.

I'd suggest creating a new / fake Gmail. Once you do that you can request a Google phone number.

[KneeGrow]

I am getting back in the sugar game after a few years.

I have digits of a couple of girls but don't want anything to trace back to me.

Do you guys have any suggestions for good burner phones or apps.

Thanks in advance.

[HotRod229]

Has anyone had any info or details / dealing with this one, wants 700,has somewhat of an attitude, high on on horse. Any info thanks.

[SeekingHead]

It makes me happy to see these stories on here. I get so jaded reading all these reports about haggling over $10 for a BJ. It's nice to know there are dudes out there who treat the ladies with respect.

There are quite a few of us out there who us SA as a way to date college age or 20 something hotties. I could date the local 40 year MILF who has 2 kids & 40 extra pounds & I do, I banged 5 of them last year. I just prefer college age spinners over the mid 40 year olds.

If all I am going to do is have sex with a girl I prefer massage girls, where it's about the women pleasing me. I disdain escorts due to time watching & it all about the nut. This is in the US, over seas it's a different experience with escorts.

[Dawgins]

It makes me happy to see these stories on here. I get so jaded reading all these reports about haggling over $10 for a BJ. It's nice to know there are dudes out there who treat the ladies with respect.

[The Wiseacre]

More than anything though, I really enjoy the close connections these relationships have brought to my life. We can never have enough good friends.

This x100.

The older I get, the more important this is.

[JoyDrop]

The last play she discovered (on her own) ran 255% and when we both closed out positions seeing her go crazy jumping all over the place literally shoving me on the bed with a fire in her eyes asking if I was ready for my $12,000 dollar blow job (her profits invested with her own money) that was real. Even if it wasn't I FELT that it was real and that good enough for me.

I know one day she will move on. Shes not mine its just my turn.. but I will never forget that $12,000 blow job or the happiness I help bring to her life being able to experience her first fully fledged DD stock investment.

Great story! It's obvious you and I both find fulfillment in very similar ways. I really do enjoy being a mentor, and I love being a part of the process when my girl finds success.

This is a skill that when shes ready to leave will be with her for life. We all seek immortality in our own ways.

Absolutely agree. As a wise man once said.

Give a girl a fish, fuck her for an hour.

Teach a girl to fish, fuck her for life.

Or something like that haha.

It sounds like I'm kidding, but there's actually a lot of truth to that. The girl I saw for a year in 2012? She's 29 now, married with a family. We stay in close contact, it'd be fair to say we're still "special" friends. We make time to see each other twice a year. The girl I saw in 2013? She asks me to come see her a couple of times a year. The 4 year unicorn isn't there yet, we stay in touch but are on hiatus for a while because that's that way it has to be after a really intense relationship. But she's joked more than once about making me *her* little secret once she's been married for a few years, so the potential is definitely there. More than anything though, I really enjoy the close connections these relationships have brought to my life. We can never have enough good friends.

[DocHolliday35]

There's just no substitute for the attention, affection and enthusiasm you get from a super hot 20-something who is genuinely into you. Like you, I enjoy helping a hard-working girl reach her goals, and I've found that a little effort invested in the right girl can pay incredible dividends.

THIS.

My current SB wanted to learn about the stock market so I helped her open an account and add $1000 a month into that account.

She's up 20 k YTD.

I'm up 67 k YTD.

We text about plays chat on a server she has but we make more money working together in my home office. She now spends 2-3 days a week with me. We trade, we spend days fucking, charting and making money together. The last play she discovered (on her own) ran 255% and when we both closed out positions seeing her go crazy jumping all over the place literally shoving me on the bed with a fire in her eyes asking if I was ready for my $12,000 dollar blow job (her profits invested with her own money) that was real. Even if it wasn't I FELT that it was real and that good enough for me.

Very well said, I feel the same.

[JustMikey]

Oh there's no doubt I got lucky. The first one was in 2012, the second in 2014, it was a very different scene. And even then, it took a lot of effort to find them. But I agree, it is much harder now.

What's really frustrating is all these girls who have been conditioned to expect there are all these guys who are just waiting to throw money at them for platonic arrangements. WTF? And since COVID, SA is overrun with girls who use that as an excuse to ask for "online only" arrangements. Again WTF. If I want pics or videos I can get an unlimited supply of that for free. Next.

LOL well I think I do OK. There's nothing unique about my approach. I'm a confident guy and I treat these girls very well. It's not rocket science. By the time I've invested the effort to get a girl to go to dinner with me, it's almost like shooting fish in a barrel. In all seriousness, if I take a new girl to dinner, 4 times out of 5 she's giving me "the look" that lets me know she's decided she wants me to fuck her before we're done with the meal. I do enjoy the payoff that follows.

I've fucked somewhere around 30 girls I've met off of SA over the past 8 years. I can only think of 3 that involved any sort of direct financial consideration. I knew I would be donating funds going in, and in all 3 cases I paid because I needed something simple and easy at the time. As for the rest of them, they weren't "free" (we all know it's never really free) because I stiffed or scammed them, they were free because I specifically target girls who are looking for a successful, confident older guy to treat them well and make them cum hard. It was "free" because I put in the effort to get the panties on the floor. Let's be honest, if you consider the value of my time, it would have been much cheaper to pay for it LOL, but where's the fun in that?

The truth is I get a lot more fulfillment out of the experience when a girl gives it up because she wants me to have it, not because I'm paying her to give it to me. That genuine enthusiasm and desire is what I'm after, and it can be intoxicating for me. But that's my angle, I know a lot of guys aren't looking for that.

The 4 year unicorn I told you about? She was 21 when I met her. She had never had an orgasm from sex, only masturbation. The first time I slid inside her, she came immediately. I mean literally within 3 seconds. It was amazing to witness and one of my favorite memories of all time. She was just that turned on and being with an older guy was a huge fantasy fulfilled for her. She came 3 more times that night. True story, when we met for our next date she asked if we could skip dinner. That's what I live for.

I haven't been that active this past year between COVID, traveling less for work and competing priorities. But I did take the time to meet a sweet little blonde girl next door right before the holidays. She's 22 and very much a quiet submissive with an old soul. She wasn't looking for financial support, she had an older guy fantasy and just wanted to be treated well. To hear her tell it, she was just sick of guys her age just wanting one thing and treating her like shit. After about a month of effort (texts and calls) I got her to agree to meet me for dinner. She was nervous at first, but really loosened up over the next 90 minutes as she got more comfortable with me. We decided to continue the conversation in my truck afterward, and when I opened the door for her, she told me she had never had a guy do that for her even once in her life. Think about that for second. The thing I liked about her was when I went to give her a kiss, she came at me hard. She was the one who moved my hands to her chest and begged me to touch her body. She was the one who unbuttoned her pants and told me she wanted me to feel how wet I made her. She was just so eager and enthusiastic. That was a damn good day. And it set me back a $70 meal. Again, not because I led her to believe she was going to get any money out of the deal. She specifically told me she didn't want any money. She just wanted a guy to pick up the tab instead of her having to do it for once (she actually offered to pay for her half when the check came, believe it or not). Yes it took effort. But I enjoy that chase and the payoff is worth it to me.

So anyway, I'm rambling now. But the point is. There are definitely a LOT of great opportunities on SA. If you're looking to drop $2 or $300 on a college coed for a sure thing with no strings attached, you can find that. If you're looking for a girl that will give it to you for "free" if you win her over, you can find that too. It takes effort, but they're out there. Just be up front and honest about your intentions and enjoy the ride!

One thing I want to be perfectly clear about. I would never take advantage of a girl under any circumstances. For those of you reading this who are just starting to dip your toes into the sugarbowl, I am going to encourage you to always be transparent about your intentions. Have the financial discussion early and make sure her expectations are aligned with yours. A lot of girls are uncomfortable talking about or asking for money up front, so they give it up with the assumption that you'll take care of them after the fact. Because after all, you met on a sugar dating site. Don't think for a minute that just because she didn't ask for or mention money before you fucked her that you don't owe her anything. Be a man about it, ask her what her expectations are before you get what you want. That's the right thing to do.

SA has been good to me also. I enjoy having somewhat long term arrangements. A year or two, then moving on to keep the sex fresh. If you're the type of guy who can get a date with desirable women in "real life" then you can do so on SA but with younger and more desirable women. Its lets you tap a bigger market.

I've had both PPM and free arrangements. Many women in their early twenties are used to men their age. And sex with men in their twenties is usually not very satisfying. Get drunk, get a BJ, poke around for ten minutes, then back to partying with your buddies. These women are thrilled be treated nicely, have their pussy eaten by someone who knows what he's doing, get fucked for a solid two hours instead of ten minutes, and then treated well when its over. A couple of drinks at an expensive bar before hand, and some respect afterwards really does work.

Its harder now than five years ago, but they are out there.