"Sugar Babies" and "Arrangements"

[PunkedLife]

Obviously you didn't click on the link and read the original post LOL. If you had, you would know I didn't pay her. Context is important, so here's a snippet:

She was new to the site and I was the first guy she met. She disliked the term "sugarbaby" and didn't want money or any type of arrangement per se. She just wanted an older guy in her life that would help her and guide her.

I agree with you 1000%. I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, if I'm paying for it, it's just not the same. I've had my fair share of regular arrangements where there was money involved, whether it be per date or per month. While I'll always treat those girls with care and respect, and I appreciate the carnal benefits that consistency and familiarity bring to the equation, at the end of the day that's just rental pussy like any other. I would never think of anyone as a "girlfriend" in that situation, or treat her as such.

With respect to the long term relationships I mentioned in the previous post, none of them were based on financial arrangements. I did meet 2 of the 3 on SA, but honestly money was never a factor. Yes they all wanted support, but it wasn't direct financial support they were looking for. The common thread for each of them was the desire to have a relationship with a successful older man that could mentor her and guide her. I was more than happy to oblige, and in each case I found the experience to be extremely rewarding. I spent the same on them as I would a girlfriend in a traditional dating relationship. No more, no less. I'm going to include a snippet of the 2019 post again because it described the dynamic pretty well:.

I would have to say that for one you found a few unicorns and two you caught these before these types of sites became mainstream. I'm not saying that you can't find them at this time but it's a lot harder due to scams and real girls that just want easy money without needing to do anything. It all depends on how much time and patience you have to weed through all the bs. It's like traveling overseas nowadays is becoming more difficult then it was 15 years ago, not that I have personal experience in this seeing as I only began traveling 5 years ago myself but it's what I've heard from other more seasoned individuals. The scamming, good digging etc. Now instead of being able to find regular girls easily, if that's what you want, you have some serious work to wade through all the pro escorts and the amateur escorts. Never attempt to date an escort LOL. There are plenty of women you can meet just walking around while running errands to engage with them looking for girlfriends on platforms where money is the motivating factor. And another thing to point out is the fact that you probably have game. From what you spoke about you were able to impart some serious knowledge to some of these women. Not many of these men on these sites got any game so they are more likely to get played.

[SeekingHead]

Obviously you didn't click on the link and read the original post LOL. If you had, you would know I didn't pay her. Context is important, so here's a snippet:

She was new to the site and I was the first guy she met. She disliked the term "sugarbaby" and didn't want money or any type of arrangement per se. She just wanted an older guy in her life that would help her and guide her.

I agree with you 1000%. I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, if I'm paying for it, it's just not the same. I've had my fair share of regular arrangements where there was money involved, whether it be per date or per month. While I'll always treat those girls with care and respect, and I appreciate the carnal benefits that consistency and familiarity bring to the equation, at the end of the day that's just rental pussy like any other. I would never think of anyone as a "girlfriend" in that situation, or treat her as such.

With respect to the long term relationships I mentioned in the previous post, none of them were based on financial arrangements. I did meet 2 of the 3 on SA, but honestly money was never a factor. Yes they all wanted support, but it wasn't direct financial support they were looking for. The common thread for each of them was the desire to have a relationship with a successful older man that could mentor her and guide her. I was more than happy to oblige, and in each case I found the experience to be extremely rewarding. I spent the same on them as I would a girlfriend in a traditional dating relationship. No more, no less. I'm going to include a snippet of the 2019 post again because it described the dynamic pretty well:

To put that spending in perspective, I paid her phone bill about 6 months in. She didn't want me to, but I insisted. After 3 years together I offered to help with her rent so she could get a place of her own, but it was a no brainer because it was less than I was spending on hotels every month. There were other things along the way of course, but in our entire time together, she never asked me for money even once. She *hated* the idea of asking me for money. She really was a unicorn.

As for being too old for her. Yes and no. We were never going to end up together and we were clear about that with each other from the beginning. Neither of us wanted that. As it turned out, at the end she did tell me if I was already divorced she would absolutely marry me. But at the time I had school age kids at home and there was no way I could ever be a part time dad. She always respected that, and I really appreciated that about her. She was truly the most level headed, drama free girl I've ever been involved with. There was also the issue of children, she wanted kids of her own one day and I'm past that phase of my life. So it was never going to happen. In looking back, it was a perfect "arrangement" in that we established boundaries for the relationship from the outset and we both got exactly what we wanted and needed within those boundaries. Given that we were able to walk away as good friends, both better and happier for the experience, I think it was a pretty damn good deal.

I've met 5 women off the site to where the relationship didn't involve money. The first two were a 21 & 41 year old women who just wanted to date a guy who could afford to travel & take her out on the town, both lasted for about 6 months. The 21 year old just liked older guys. There was another 29 year MILF with two kids who I would probably still be with if she didn't have a lot of alcohol related issues, & the other was a bored housewife who wanted some dick as she was in a dead bedroom. She was a lot of fun & would come over at night, get dicked down then go home with my cum in her snatch. The last was this year & lasted for 6 months, I met a 27 year old grad student who was in a poly relationship. She was a complete freak in bed, we would literally fuck for 3 hours straight, I had to up my cardio for this chick. After about 2 months I just started referring to her as my girlfriend & she was completely fine with this.

If you go in looking for a relationship on the site you can find it pretty easy, there is a pretty women fantasy out there among quite a few of the girls. Dating a older guy who wines & dines them, buys them a few gifts is what they want in addition to sugar. I've also found these types of sugar relationships cost less than purely ppm. The current girl I have is a 24 year old college grad who I take shopping once a month & drop about $200 on outside of the sugar allowance, our ppm is $200. She comes to my house or meets me at a hotel for about 2 rounds of bareback sex weekly.

[JoyDrop]

4 years of treating her like a queen and at the end of the day you were too old for her. You weren't too old for her to be spending your money though.

Obviously you didn't click on the link and read the original post LOL. If you had, you would know I didn't pay her. Context is important, so here's a snippet:

She was new to the site and I was the first guy she met. She disliked the term "sugarbaby" and didn't want money or any type of arrangement per se. She just wanted an older guy in her life that would help her and guide her.

I just can't personally wrap my head around treating a woman like a girlfriend when I'm paying her.

I agree with you 1000%. I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, if I'm paying for it, it's just not the same. I've had my fair share of regular arrangements where there was money involved, whether it be per date or per month. While I'll always treat those girls with care and respect, and I appreciate the carnal benefits that consistency and familiarity bring to the equation, at the end of the day that's just rental pussy like any other. I would never think of anyone as a "girlfriend" in that situation, or treat her as such.

With respect to the long term relationships I mentioned in the previous post, none of them were based on financial arrangements. I did meet 2 of the 3 on SA, but honestly money was never a factor. Yes they all wanted support, but it wasn't direct financial support they were looking for. The common thread for each of them was the desire to have a relationship with a successful older man that could mentor her and guide her. I was more than happy to oblige, and in each case I found the experience to be extremely rewarding. I spent the same on them as I would a girlfriend in a traditional dating relationship. No more, no less. I'm going to include a snippet of the 2019 post again because it described the dynamic pretty well:

We had incredible chemistry and an amazing connection right from the beginning. It was the type of effortless first date we all dream of, everything just fell into place and it just got better from there. The first year or so we kept everything very simple, casual and fun. I remember thinking how impressed I was that she didn't lose her perspective, we were exclusive to each other but she didn't get too emotionally attached. She honestly had a very mature outlook on it all. We both knew our relationship was never going to have a happy ending, but we were both happy and content to enjoy the ride as long as it lasted. She was an absolute go-getter, she worked very hard and soaked up the advice and guidance I gave her like a sponge. I taught her how to budget, I helped her pay off her credit card debt, I helped her with academic decisions and school projects, I helped her put herself in position for promotions at work and advance her career. All of which I found very rewarding, and she was always very good about expressing her appreciation of my efforts in ways that were very meaningful to me. Now just because we didn't have an "arrangement" doesn't mean I didn't contribute funds, because I most certainly did when times were tough for her. But in the grand scheme of things, it really wasn't much.

To put that spending in perspective, I paid her phone bill about 6 months in. She didn't want me to, but I insisted. After 3 years together I offered to help with her rent so she could get a place of her own, but it was a no brainer because it was less than I was spending on hotels every month. There were other things along the way of course, but in our entire time together, she never asked me for money even once. She *hated* the idea of asking me for money. She really was a unicorn.

As for being too old for her. Yes and no. We were never going to end up together and we were clear about that with each other from the beginning. Neither of us wanted that. As it turned out, at the end she did tell me if I was already divorced she would absolutely marry me. But at the time I had school age kids at home and there was no way I could ever be a part time dad. She always respected that, and I really appreciated that about her. She was truly the most level headed, drama free girl I've ever been involved with. There was also the issue of children, she wanted kids of her own one day and I'm past that phase of my life. So it was never going to happen. In looking back, it was a perfect "arrangement" in that we established boundaries for the relationship from the outset and we both got exactly what we wanted and needed within those boundaries. Given that we were able to walk away as good friends, both better and happier for the experience, I think it was a pretty damn good deal.

[PunkedLife]

You sound a lot like me, we take the exact same approach to arrangements. Here's a link to a post I made in the Richmond SB thread about a 4 year relationship I had with a girl I met on SA:

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post4307822

A lot of the guys approach the girls on SA like they would any escort or UTR (that is, paying to get laid with zero strings attached). While that's certainly a valid approach, I prefer longer term arrangements that are pretty much indistinguishable from traditional dating. There's just no substitute for the attention, affection and enthusiasm you get from a super hot 20-something who is genuinely into you. Like you, I enjoy helping a hard-working girl reach her goals, and I've found that a little effort invested in the right girl can pay incredible dividends. I've had 3 long term arrangements since 2012. I'm still good friends with all 3 of them. The last one, the girl I was with for 4 years, she really was something special. Almost too good to be true. My experience was exactly like yours in that she was by far the best relationship of my life. We were 20 years apart but I've never been with anyone who was a more perfect fit and it's not even close. Toward the end we did talk about the possibility of staying together. But ultimately she decided she wanted to settle down with someone closer to her own age, and that was definitely the right choice for her (I am married). We shared a lot of great experiences together and we were a big part of each other's lives for quite a while. It was exactly what we both needed at the time. I'm certain she and I will be close for life.

4 years of treating her like a queen and at the end of the day you were too old for her. You weren't too old for her to be spending your money though. At least you had 4 good years though so I guess that's a good investment if it made you happy. I just can't personally wrap my head around treating a woman like a girlfriend when I'm paying her. That's always been my issue. When things start from an economic standpoint everything else just seems fake no matter how good it might seem at the time. Even in regular dating. You want to know how much a woman likes you. If she's spending her hard earned money on you unprovoked especially when you didn't start the encounter with spending money on her then you'll know she truly likes you. Maybe you found great matches but I'm sure more often than not, then men that take your approach aren't as successful. They just get taken advantage of. Like the guy in the video I posted. Now if he wasn't throwing his money at that heifer he would probably still be alive.

[Parrot Scope]

I hope none of you are clueless fools like this guy. Because you can buy them all the expensive gifts, vacation resort trips, dinners, allowances and at the end of the day they will still choose to spend your money with the guy who getting it all and more for the free because that's who makes her wet.

https://youtu.be/WZKKBZqKHZg

https://www.ktnv.com/news/kelsey-tur...ntil-next-year

LOL take it easy on them. I used to put a lot of energy into chastising simps and gullible guys, but they have a place and a purpose.

Plenty of get taken advantage of, and many of these SB arrangements are not exclusive.

I can't imaging taking care of all a woman needs, only for her to sleep with other men on the side. But it is what it is.

[JoyDrop]

If you find a gem on SA, and she is really is great, you could be in for a serious amount of fun in a lot of ways. I treated these women no differently than I would a date under a "normal" scenario. I chose women who really needed help; who were really striving to succeed and had goals; who weren't looking for Gucci bags, but really to have support for their goals, and have a chance to do something special.

Not sure people think about how much certain women really appreciate this; you can literally help them advance their lives. Believe me, they'll never forget you. I like to help people, and sure it was certainly for me to have that fun, but I wanted to leave these women seeing how they should be respected, appreciated and supported. They would have all done it without me, I am sure; I feel so much satisfaction that there three women have succeeded.

You sound a lot like me, we take the exact same approach to arrangements. Here's a link to a post I made in the Richmond SB thread about a 4 year relationship I had with a girl I met on SA:

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/show...=1#post4307822

A lot of the guys approach the girls on SA like they would any escort or UTR (that is, paying to get laid with zero strings attached). While that's certainly a valid approach, I prefer longer term arrangements that are pretty much indistinguishable from traditional dating. There's just no substitute for the attention, affection and enthusiasm you get from a super hot 20-something who is genuinely into you. Like you, I enjoy helping a hard-working girl reach her goals, and I've found that a little effort invested in the right girl can pay incredible dividends. I've had 3 long term arrangements since 2012. I'm still good friends with all 3 of them. The last one, the girl I was with for 4 years, she really was something special. Almost too good to be true. My experience was exactly like yours in that she was by far the best relationship of my life. We were 20 years apart but I've never been with anyone who was a more perfect fit and it's not even close. Toward the end we did talk about the possibility of staying together. But ultimately she decided she wanted to settle down with someone closer to her own age, and that was definitely the right choice for her (I am married). We shared a lot of great experiences together and we were a big part of each other's lives for quite a while. It was exactly what we both needed at the time. I'm certain she and I will be close for life.

[PunkedLife]

I hope none of you are clueless fools like this guy. Because you can buy them all the expensive gifts, vacation resort trips, dinners, allowances and at the end of the day they will still choose to spend your money with the guy who getting it all and more for the free because that's who makes her wet.

https://youtu.be/WZKKBZqKHZg

https://www.ktnv.com/news/kelsey-tur...ntil-next-year

[Gatka]

Man the scammers be out there in full force but it is easy to identify if you are asking them the right questions.

[SkyWalker21]

Anyone using SDM? The app sucks compared to SA, and it always shows people out of state, but I've had much better luck recently. Less scams / deposits / online only stuff.

I used it for about a year, and had great success. Bagged about 6 chicks off there and still hitting one on occasion. Got busy with this whole pandemic (work in Healthcare), and haven't had the time to play as much.

Skywalker.

[OopaRam]

Be upfront and honest about what you want. Hide the profiles of girls that are unattractive or don't fit what you want. It takes some time and effort to filter out the scams, fake profiles, and overpriced girls but I have found a few gems who are attracted to me and we agree to terms quickly.

All I say Doc is that You Got Game! Merry Mongering.

[DocHolliday35]

SA deactivated my account saying voilation of T & C's. I tried with a diff card and it didn't go. Any suggestions on how to create a new account?

The address of the card probably flagged it. Try sending SA an email apologizing and that you will never do it again. They will re activate you.

[NallaFaltu69]

How did you manage to get a discount? By attempting to cancel your membership?

SA deactivated my account saying voilation of T & C's. I tried with a diff card and it didn't go. Any suggestions on how to create a new account?

[Smalto59]

https://www.seeking.com/member/c7676...9-49705d859174

This one approached me, while certainly not my type, to each their own. Down for pretty much whatever you want, kink-friendly. However, she wants no less than 7 xx per meet, "because of COVID". I guess it's kinda like buying something at the butcher with this one.

WOW dose she charge per pound LOL.

[DocHolliday35]

I have been reading this forum and found that most of the providers on SA are either scam artists or overprice manipulators. For the price paid per encounter, many other options exist. I just want to know more about the merits of this type of encounters. Someone please enlighten me. PM is welcome.

Be upfront and honest about what you want. Hide the profiles of girls that are unattractive or don't fit what you want. It takes some time and effort to filter out the scams, fake profiles, and overpriced girls but I have found a few gems who are attracted to me and we agree to terms quickly.

[Bubba Love]

I already got a discount offer from them, 25% off. Of course 75 is still higher than the 67 it would have been with a discount last year.

How did you manage to get a discount? By attempting to cancel your membership?