"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[Ernest Ll]

Smoking pics, not very responsive to messageing - https://www.seeking.com/member/e4417...7-5c4090c5cf62.

Says her hubby is on seeking, so she thought she would get in on it - https://www.seeking.com/member/cf5e6...a-29cc2ab7d963.

Great pics, DTF, not her first rodeo -- verified in real life, bad opsec -- https://www.seeking.com/member/7f7b0...2-0e09e96a42b5.

Looks TGTBT. Not very responsive - https://www.seeking.com/member/f8760...0-c46b90eee925.

Her profile is gone now, but there was a really busty, pretty redhead built like Jessica Rabbit. She was offering to host at her apartment in town but was cagey about donation. Seemed kind of semi-pro to offer that so early on. If anyone got her digits, would love to share.

[Ernest Ll]

This one tells me she is active in RVA and national boards -- fairly mercenary about it -- won't leave her house for less than $200 https://www.seeking.com/member/6afc4...d-e2d5602fd6e0.

[Mike77]

There's a Reddit sub called "sugar lifestyle". If you haven't done it already, I would STRONGLY suggest checking it out. It's both educational and eye opening and will give you some good hints and tips on what the ladies are looking for.

[Madaboutmax]

Does your username here suggest you are a youngish (30/31 born on 1990), athletic, fit (tennisstud) and successful (stud)?

So many of the girls have had bad experiences with scammers, pick up artists and vanilla wannabe guys with young, good looking and arrogant profiles that many will assume you aren't real and can't afford to be a real SD. You may need to explain how you are able to afford being an SD and why you need to Sugar Date instead of Vanilla Date. Either in your profile or early in your messaging.

If you are young, attractive and successful you will have to prove you are genuine. If you are older, you will need to prove you are not fat, ugly and creepy. Young SDs can be successful if they overcome this hurdle. Older SDs can be successful if we overcome our hurdle.

I have a completed profile page. I have what I think are good pictures and a good bio. I send a friendly and non-aggressive message trying to incorporate something from their profile. I don't blow up their inboxes. I sometimes get a brief responses back but then am ghosted. But most of the time my messages don't even get read. Or they look at my profile and no response. What am I doing wrong here?

[Bran001]

What Mike77 said. I would add that I've found that about 90% of the girls stay less than two weeks, then disappear (profile is deleted or they become dormant). From discussions with girls and reports here, I think it's because they are mostly scared, not sure they want to be an SB, or had high expectations that were disappointed when they saw what was available. About 5% are hanging around on the site for months or years and have many SDs. These are your pros and semi-pros. The remaining 5% are somewhere in between. I always tried to find one of the shy, scared girls before they disappeared. It is a very inefficient process. I have one now since 9 months. I'm not too enthusiastic about her, but staying with her is easier than hunting for more.

But it's also true that there are all kinds of girls wanting all kinds of things, so any general rule is difficult to formulate. A lot depends on you, too. Some guys report that finding girls on SA is easy for them.

I'm in agreement with both Mike77 and Snake27.

There's a wide variety out there. Many girls clearly get disenchanted or downright scared quickly and vanish. Social media paints a certain picture of sugaring and when they get bombarded with 'let's fuck for $150' messages they are put off. I've had a ton of success, both in my home city and when traveling. I used to travel to RVA and met someone any visit I wanted to. Not many I was interested in repeating with, but some.

I'm pretty focused on undergrad or grad students, or young professionals. Students need funds. Young professionals in my city need funds because cost of living is very high. And all of those women are tired of young fuck-guys. So there's a place for an older gent getting these younger women. You need the right approach. But it absolutely works.

[Geechie Dan]

I got the same text, thought I had just forgotten her. Told me she lived on Bainbridge which is southside. Next day, try to meet and I get the I need money for gas routine. So Scam all the way.

Thanks for the info.

[Snake27]

What Mike77 said. I would add that I've found that about 90% of the girls stay less than two weeks, then disappear (profile is deleted or they become dormant). From discussions with girls and reports here, I think it's because they are mostly scared, not sure they want to be an SB, or had high expectations that were disappointed when they saw what was available. About 5% are hanging around on the site for months or years and have many SDs. These are your pros and semi-pros. The remaining 5% are somewhere in between. I always tried to find one of the shy, scared girls before they disappeared. It is a very inefficient process. I have one now since 9 months. I'm not too enthusiastic about her, but staying with her is easier than hunting for more.

But it's also true that there are all kinds of girls wanting all kinds of things, so any general rule is difficult to formulate. A lot depends on you, too. Some guys report that finding girls on SA is easy for them.

[Mike77]

Is it possible to have success on here? I mean, I'm not even close. I get that it may take hard work but it's frustrating when you don't even get responses.

It's a numbers game. You have to have a strategy. I screen for certain types and reach out to a bunch knowing that many won't even bother opening, reading or responding. If you reach out to enough, you'll get a certain percentage of opens and then a lower percentage of responses. Then you'll get some to check out your profile and then a lower percentage from that which you can get to text you and discuss next steps. From there, you'll get a few that agree to meet you. Because of the relatively small number that gets to that stage, you have to start off by casting a pretty wide net and may have to go for some that you think are 7-8's instead of the 9-10's. The 9's and 10's get bombarded with messages from every dude on there and can be very selective.

Also, I try to make them laugh with my opener. That seems to go a long way.

Oh, and finally, there are certain words and phrases that you want to avoid as they will make the girls think that you are a scammer. That's a huge issue with the site these days

[TennisStud90]

Welcome to SA.

Is it possible to have success on here? I mean, I'm not even close. I get that it may take hard work but it's frustrating when you don't even get responses.

[GolfMan57]

I have a completed profile page. I have what I think are good pictures and a good bio. I send a friendly and non-aggressive message trying to incorporate something from their profile. I don't blow up their inboxes. I sometimes get a brief responses back but then am ghosted. But most of the time my messages don't even get read. Or they look at my profile and no response. What am I doing wrong here?

Welcome to SA.

[TennisStud90]

I have a completed profile page. I have what I think are good pictures and a good bio. I send a friendly and non-aggressive message trying to incorporate something from their profile. I don't blow up their inboxes. I sometimes get a brief responses back but then am ghosted. But most of the time my messages don't even get read. Or they look at my profile and no response. What am I doing wrong here?

[Lost Cajun00]

This girl is stunning. TGTBT?

https://www.seeking.com/member/d4f2e...1-24e1d54db19b

Definitely TGTBT Pics are too professional.

[DickLongwood]

This girl is stunning. TGTBT?

https://www.seeking.com/member/d4f2e...1-24e1d54db19b

[GolfMan57]

I got the same text, thought I had just forgotten her. Told me she lived on Bainbridge which is southside. Next day, try to meet and I get the I need money for gas routine. So Scam all the way.

I got a text recently from a young lady. She said we met on SA and her name is Mary. She gave me a south side address. Does anyone recognize her?

[RappaHannock]

I got a text recently from a young lady. She said we met on SA and her name is Mary. She gave me a south side address. Does anyone recognize her?

I have never seen her on SA.