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[MTWilliams911]

If you can't do basic math, IDK how you'll make any decent decisions on this. None of these number is even close to correct. The overall case fatality rate is readily computed. There are around 20 million positives in the US. Around 350,000 people have died. That case fatality rate is 1. 75%. Why is this so hard to understand?

This number is getting better over time. It was around 3% early in the pandemic. Doctors are learning better how to treat this. Any benefits have NOT accrued from any new medical treatments, just the tried and true, like corticosteroids.

Back when the rate was 3% I offered this analogy. Getting an infection is like spinning a roulette wheel in Vegas. If you land on any red or black number, you're good. If you hit a green 0, the croupier takes out a pistol and shoots you dead. How many people would play that game?

Read these numbers. Close down the economy or protect the vulnerable. Which makes more sense? https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18...-and-age-15163.

[TrailerGuy]

It looks like the corona discussion is here, so here's my 2 cents. I'm not saying there's not a virus running around. I don't believe the numbers being published by the media and government.

Davidson counties estimated population for 2019 by the census bureau was 694,000 people. Today the health department published total tests conducted at 817,000. Over 100 k of the population. So how many tests are retests? What percentage of retests are positive and negative? How many tests specimens are coming from the 3 testing centers against private?

The non elected health board is controlling this county with no transparency in the numbers and facts in testing and reporting. The death reports say died with a positive test of covid but don't give any other information. The medical examiner in grant county Colorado had 2 gunshot deaths that was listed as covid. How long is the economy going to be stifled by some virus that has been around now for a year?

[FarFarAway]

The only thing that will lead to that is the majority of the population becoming immune. Slowing the spread was to minimize deaths until a vaccine could be made. Thankfully, we are now there, we just have to get it into people. Before that, the only way to get people immune would be to infect them, and at the death rate we have seen, that would mean 6 million people dying from the pandemic in the US. It's still a lot.

Let's not forget that plenty of people get over the virus completely, but there are a number of people who have long-term health consequences (and these don't seem to be related to any other health risk.

Concerning 'causes of death', those people with diabetes wouldn't have died if they didn't get the virus. IDK why you would exclude them from the statistics. Plenty of people have all of those conditions mentioned, and live long lives. But if you have them you can die even if you are 40 years old, or 20. The Financial Times has a different take on this idea, the concept of excess deaths. There are a usual number of deaths in a political jurisdiction that are consistent year after year. When there is a spike in death, you can pretty easily attribute that to the pandemic, and you don't have to worry about testing, etc.

Regarding our flu season, I thought all along that it would be much better this year than in the past, simply because of the precautions being taken to prevent coronavirus transmission. This has flummoxed some in the media, claiming we were hoodwinked about flu being worse rather than better. The key difference, is that flu is far far less deadly than coronavirus because the virus family is endemic and at least some immunity is throughout the population. Social distancing cut its transmission, so the deaths from flu really dropped a lot. The fact that public health measures didn't do a great job on coronavirus is reflective of their imperfect observance. The history in other countries that adhered more closely to these measures shows that.

[FarFarAway]

Here's a little bit more info about the effectiveness of all social distancing / disease transmission measures, of which masks are a prominent element. It's interesting, there were lots of people saying that the US should do what Sweden was doing. I'd say that the combination of lack of compliance of US residents with the recommended measures has delivered an outcome that is quite comparable to Sweden's. One thing they did that we didn't, they let their schools stay open, but I'd guess we were more liberal in other areas.

The other two examples I show, Canada and South Korea, show what is possible when people adhere to public health recommendations. Undoubtedly, this included mask wearing. Note that these are rates based on the different populations, so they are fully comparable. This data came from the Financial Times website, it is free to all to access. You can get facts there and make your own judgment of how well we've done.

[Admin2]

There are around 20 million positives in the US. Around 350,000 people have died. That case fatality rate is 1. 75%. Why is this so hard to understand?

Because you're ignoring all the asymptomatic and low symptom cases which is what team lockdown does but only when figuring this number, otherwise you're saying "you may be a carrier and not know it so wear a damn mask" which incidentally is a good idea, flattening the curve remains a good idea even though it will prolong the time it's with us, all the mitigation will NOT make the virus go away, it's still here BECAUSE of the mitigation. If you slow down the spread you prolong the time it takes for herd immunity to take affect, I don't know where you guys got the idea that it would eradicate the virus.

According to the CDC (since April) the IFR is. 26% it's been. 26% it's going to be. 26%.

350,000 people have died WITH the virus because again on the CDC's page, if you bothered to read it.

"For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2. 9 additional conditions or causes per death. ".

Just to be clear, the "additional causes of death" that people who died had an average of 3 of them were mostly from this list of deadly diseases.

Cancer.

Chronic kidney disease.

COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease).

Down Syndrome.

Heart conditions, such as heart failure, coronary artery disease, or cardiomyopathies.

Immunocompromised state (weakened immune system) from solid organ transplant.

Obesity (body mass index BMI of 30 kg / m2 or higher but < 40 kg / m2).

Severe Obesity (BMI ≥ 40 kg / m2).

Pregnancy.

Sickle cell disease.

Smoking.

Type 2 diabetes mellitus.

Asthma (moderate-to-severe).

Cerebrovascular disease (affects blood vessels and blood supply to the brain).

Cystic fibrosis.

Hypertension or high blood pressure.

Immunocompromised state (weakened immune system) from blood or bone marrow transplant, immune deficiencies, HIV, use of corticosteroids, or use of other immune weakening medicines.

Neurologic conditions, such as dementia.

Liver disease.

Overweight (BMI 25 kg / m2, but < 30 kg / m2).

Pulmonary fibrosis (having damaged or scarred lung tissues).

Thalassemia (a type of blood disorder).

Type 1 diabetes mellitus.

Lets also not forget that 93% of them were over the age of 55.

So 93% elderly or becoming elderly, of which 94% had an average of not 1 not 2 but nearly 3 life threatening diseases before they got covid.

None of this comes from some alt right site, it's from the CDC and you could have read it instead of spreading false information and doing your part to help sustain the fear.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ekly/index.htm

Another fascinating fact from that page, a country that normally has 40,000 deaths due to influenza every year and in some years as many as 80,000 had less than 7,000 last year. When questioned the answer we get is "it's because of the covid mitigation, but when asked about covid then Americans are "The WORST in the world" so apparently we did a great job with influenza but a shut job with covid. But we aren't supposed to ask any questions about this because we aren't epidemiologists.

Just saying.

[FarFarAway]

If you're getting this from any main stream media source then you e already proven my point.

Go to the actual sites of the various medical fields and look at their numbers. Look at their studies. Look at the thousands of doctors who have also spoken into these same topics and make an educated decision on what is best for you. If you quote the cdc or any major news network then by all means, hunker down in your basement and ride out your wave of fear that you might be the less than 1% of people that die from it.

After doing my own research, seeing the real numbers, I'm done being a sheep in their fear mongering game. Done.

I can only hope that this is a great example of Darwinian evolution at work, and you have reached this profound conclusion before procreating. When you die because you are off by a factor of the death rate and don't care to protect yourself or others, your attitudes won't be passed to any descendants.

[FarFarAway]

What is the intelligent response to these numbers?

Shut down schools and the economy?

Protect those over 70 like mad?

Which makes sense?

COVID-19 Survival Rates:

Age 0-19:99. 997%.

Age 20-49:99. 98%.

Age 50-69:99. 5%.

Age 70+: 94.6%.

If you can't do basic math, IDK how you'll make any decent decisions on this. None of these number is even close to correct. The overall case fatality rate is readily computed. There are around 20 million positives in the US. Around 350,000 people have died. That case fatality rate is 1. 75%. Why is this so hard to understand?

This number is getting better over time. It was around 3% early in the pandemic. Doctors are learning better how to treat this. Any benefits have NOT accrued from any new medical treatments, just the tried and true, like corticosteroids.

Back when the rate was 3% I offered this analogy. Getting an infection is like spinning a roulette wheel in Vegas. If you land on any red or black number, you're good. If you hit a green 0, the croupier takes out a pistol and shoots you dead. How many people would play that game?

[Dom Draper]

No masks or not giving a rats ass makes the virus spread more! Overwhelming the health care resources! 50 percent of country refuse to believe for political agenda; so we lead world in death. And disease.

If you're getting this from any main stream media source then you e already proven my point.

Go to the actual sites of the various medical fields and look at their numbers. Look at their studies. Look at the thousands of doctors who have also spoken into these same topics and make an educated decision on what is best for you. If you quote the cdc or any major news network then by all means, hunker down in your basement and ride out your wave of fear that you might be the less than 1% of people that die from it.

After doing my own research, seeing the real numbers, I'm done being a sheep in their fear mongering game. Done.

[YellowJacket]

No masks or not giving a rats ass makes the virus spread more! Overwhelming the health care resources! 50 percent of country refuse to believe for political agenda; so we lead world in death. And disease.

Shhh honey, no need to get testy. My point is this pookie. America has some of the best hygiene, best medical care, and best infrastructure in the world, year places like Thailand and Somalia only report less than 10 k in Covid deaths. I can name numerous countries. To your point why would those Countries you mentioned have higher death rates due to Covid than third world countries with much less acceptable sanitation and medical care?

[Bam Morris]

Really?

If no masks, less health care cause death rate to go up, why aren't third world countries leading in the death rate. It's all political.

No masks or not giving a rats ass makes the virus spread more! Overwhelming the health care resources! 50 percent of country refuse to believe for political agenda; so we lead world in death. And disease.

[Bam Morris]

Really?

If no masks, less health care cause death rate to go up, why aren't third world countries leading in the death rate. It's all political.

I guess uk and germany. Italy and France. India Japan Canada Australia Norway Poland Austria and the rest of world are in on our political game! Quite a powerful game.

[Elduderino123]

We're now past the statistic of 1 american citizen out of every thousand has died from complications due to covid. While that may sound trivial to the 99 percenters in this crowd, just think about it. Now past 350,000 dead and counting.

And yes, I wear a medical mask. I understand the shortcomings of cloth. But I wear the fucking mask, it's not that great of an inconvenience. You want inconvenience? My parents were part of the greatest generation and my dad fought in WWII. During that war, due to limited supply of fucking everything, gas was rationed, electricity was shut off at night very often (but mostly on the coasts), meat was rationed, you name it. And virtually no one bitched about it. Why? Because while they had to wait in line for 2 hours to get gas, their loved ones. Husbands, fathers, sons, were half a world away putting their lives on the line to preserve our RIGHT to wait in line for 2 hours to get gas.

So, why don't all of you bitching about the fucking inconvenience of wearing a fucking mask when you go grocery shopping man up and grow a pair and stop making something so harmless a political thing. If my dad were still around, I'm pretty sure the last thing he'd * about was putting on a mask when he went to the drugstore to buy smokes and beer.

[YellowJacket]

Keep this in mind. Maybe its 99% survival. Thats with health care available. Take away mask and give the virus to more and overwhelm the hospitals in every state and city as some are now; the rate will go up. Already talk of rationing care! Would you want treated in a closet or break room?

Really?

If no masks, less health care cause death rate to go up, why aren't third world countries leading in the death rate. It's all political.

[Bam Morris]

Mask or not. They shut the world down and continue to shut down where they can get away with it. For a virus with a 99% survival rate. Ninety Nine. As in as close to 100 as you can get. This is about control and they have already proven they can do it. If this is truly a pandemic on the scale they say it is. And if masks work to stop it. Then where are the biohazard bins to place these masks in when we are done using them? Where is the PPE training on how to put them on and take them off safely? They aren't there because they don't need them because 99% of people survive this.

It is always tragic and sad when people die. I have compassion and empathy for those who have lost loved ones. But there are just as many risks in the world that cause death that we do not shut down the world for.

So for me. I'm done with the mask. Mandate is not law. Look into the studies now coming out that are finding "a symptomatic spreading" doesn't actually exist. Look at how the PCR tests give false positives for just about everything. Watch the video of a politician testing a glass of coke and getting a positive for COVID. How many "cases" are actually false positive and used to keep people in fear and quarantine??

Time to wake up. Stop watching news on the tv and go find real stats and real studies for yourself. Do your own math. Make your own educated decisions.

Keep this in mind. Maybe its 99% survival. Thats with health care available. Take away mask and give the virus to more and overwhelm the hospitals in every state and city as some are now; the rate will go up. Already talk of rationing care! Would you want treated in a closet or break room?

[MTWilliams911]

Mask or not. They shut the world down and continue to shut down where they can get away with it. For a virus with a 99% survival rate. Ninety Nine. As in as close to 100 as you can get. This is about control and they have already proven they can do it. If this is truly a pandemic on the scale they say it is. And if masks work to stop it. Then where are the biohazard bins to place these masks in when we are done using them? Where is the PPE training on how to put them on and take them off safely? They aren't there because they don't need them because 99% of people survive this.

It is always tragic and sad when people die. I have compassion and empathy for those who have lost loved ones. But there are just as many risks in the world that cause death that we do not shut down the world for.

So for me. I'm done with the mask. Mandate is not law. Look into the studies now coming out that are finding "a symptomatic spreading" doesn't actually exist. Look at how the PCR tests give false positives for just about everything. Watch the video of a politician testing a glass of coke and getting a positive for COVID. How many "cases" are actually false positive and used to keep people in fear and quarantine??

Time to wake up. Stop watching news on the tv and go find real stats and real studies for yourself. Do your own math. Make your own educated decisions.

What is the intelligent response to these numbers?

Shut down schools and the economy?

Protect those over 70 like mad?

Which makes sense?

COVID-19 Survival Rates:

Age 0-19:99. 997%.

Age 20-49:99. 98%.

Age 50-69:99. 5%.

Age 70+: 94.6%.