MotorCity Mayhem

[Bpmfarhat]

A lot of Skilled tradesmen like Electricians and plumbers did not get paid whenever he declared a bankruptcy. He defense is the same for not paying taxes. IF YOU don't LIKE IT CHANGE THE LAWS. Only suckers join the Military and pay taxes.

[AirTouchOne]

Would be a neat trick for someone to pay for their college education by working 2 jobs these days and still have time to do the course work. 2 jobs is usually worse than 1, only people I know in the last 15 to 20 years to do that were in the UAW where they were given a certain amount of tuition reimbursement every year.

Working 2 jobs in the summer, taking 2 classes at most is manageable but try working 2 jobs and going to school full time. Kind of hard! Also, tuition is a whole lot cheaper 15 - 30 years ago where you may be able to work to jobs and pay off your tuition, may be. When I finished college I was 4 K in the hole and that was 30 years ago which isn't a lot in today's dollar. Kids coming out of college now are 50 K or most likely more.

[RayLatoole]

Would be a neat trick for someone to pay for their college education by working 2 jobs these days and still have time to do the course work. 2 jobs is usually worse than 1, only people I know in the last 15 to 20 years to do that were in the UAW where they were given a certain amount of tuition reimbursement every year.

I think if you go to any college, ex wayne state; you'll find a good number of working one and two jobs. Granted it's really difficult and graduation is further off. It's possible if you want to do it.

[GuyDetroit]

At first, they were annoying, now have become totally comical. The "wealth" I currently have was achieved by my own hard work, College education that I paid for (by working two jobs sometimes), a professional job that I had for over 30 years, and a small business I own on the side. There is absolutely no reason why anyone (regardless of color or gender, etc.) could also accomplish. IF THEY WANTED TO! Ther key is "WANT" to, much easier to sit around ranting about poor-poor pitiful me. Collect you welfare check, buy your soda, snacks and junk food with your bridge card, enjoy your free health care. I work along side of people that grew up in the ghettos of Detroit, but instead to complaining about their life they took advantage of what was offered (education) and made something out of their life. IT CAN BE DONE.

Go through any town or city and you can see help wanted signs all over, ya, not the best jobs in the world, but it's a job. Start there and work (obviously offensive word to some) your way up or into a better job.

And lastly, if it is that bad for you here in this country, just move to another one, please, just move and let someone else support you, because we (people that actually take responsibility for their own life) really don't need you here, and we would much rather keep the money we EARN opposed to paying your way because you are too lazy or ignorant to make your own living.

Would be a neat trick for someone to pay for their college education by working 2 jobs these days and still have time to do the course work. 2 jobs is usually worse than 1, only people I know in the last 15 to 20 years to do that were in the UAW where they were given a certain amount of tuition reimbursement every year.

[Concupiscent69]

I agree with SenorVac. Too much power in the hands of one person who wasn't elected NATIONALLY. Same issue with Pelosi.

Then don't blame the person, blame the system. The electoral process was designed that way for a reason. Also, you assume any president has absolute power. Many of you in here are bright men (except SmoothDriver), you should know better than assuming such a notion. That's why congress is in place. Both can veto each other. Overall, instead of arguing and fighting about ONE person, how about attempting to resolve the entire government system's corruption and greed. Why do people continue to have faith in either party? The true leaders are the lobbyists who can buy their way into any bill and having any law enacted. Instead, all energy is wasted on complaining about Trump, Biden, Obama, blah blah blah. The lobbyist can pay ANY member of congress to vote their way. Who truly has the power?

[SenorVac]

I agree with SenorVac. Too much power in the hands of one person who wasn't elected NATIONALLY. Same issue with Pelosi.

Thank you. At least we can agree on that lmao.

Happy new years eve everyone.

[TeeTime69]

You obviously slept through 10th grade government class.

I agree with SenorVac. Too much power in the hands of one person who wasn't elected NATIONALLY. Same issue with Pelosi.

[Concupiscent69]

You're 100% right, Trump is not the only problem in government. And while I don't think all Trump voters believe the same things, most of them have fallen for one of the most laughable cons in political history. This guy does not give a fuck about the common man, and never has. He spent decades screwing over the common man in New York, where his real estate empire was created by largely refusing to pay contractors after jobs were completed. That hissy fit he pulled by threatening not to sign the stimulus bill? It's a common real estate tactic. You come to a deal, then at the last minute threaten to blow everything up unless you're given new concessions; the thought being if someone agrees to a deal, they must be desperate to keep the deal and therefore will agree to new concessions. Everything this guy does is a two bit con or grift.

I ask myself, why do Trump supporters blindly praise a man obsessed with aggrievement and perceived slights. Why do Trump supporters watch this man cry about being treated unfairly, and then tell us he is a strong man. Why did they watch this man lie about the smallest, most irrelevant things (crowd sizes, historical events, what tariffs are, recorded interviews, scientific facts, etc) and believe him? Trump is a proxy. For many things, but the biggest thing is resentment and aggrievement. People who are so angry that they just want this thing we call a system torn down by any means. And they will cheer him on no matter what, to whatever end as long as he destroys it. Hell they watched him botch a pandemic response that has killed 300 k+ Americans and couldn't care less. There is nothing he could say or do that would turn them off. So yes, I find MOST of his supporters to be distasteful to put it lightly. If you're a rich or well off guy voting for Trump, I'm fine with that. Lord knows his tax plan benefits me more than Biden's would. At least in that case you are voting for an interest. But these poor white people, and working class white people who think a classist from New York who talks about "bloodlines" gives a fuck about them? I'd laugh if I wasn't disgusted.

Of course, the same type of supporters don't exist with the democrats.

[Concupiscent69]

Assuming you're actually ignorant about these things and not stating them in bad faith, I'll explain them.

On the issue of facts:

It's not the stating of facts that's an issue, it's the conclusion drawn from said facts. People stating that the prison population is disproportionately minorities would be correct, but they typically use such facts to conclude that minorities are just naturally criminal somehow and as a result are inferior. When the real cause of most crime is simply poverty and minorities are more disproportionately poor (won't get into reasons why here, that's for another debate).

18.8% of blacks populate the poverty level in the US.

15.7% are Hispanics.

7. 3% are Asians and the same are white.

There's a small (3%) difference from Hispanics and black, yet the difference in prison population between those two races is almost tripled with blacks being incarcerated over Hispanics. It's not just a matter of poverty, it's a matter of cultural structure, whereas Hispanics have a greater level of family value and religious upbringing to keep them grounded. The same doesn't apply to blacks. Trait plays a major role.

On the issue of white pride:

Pride is the opposite of shame and when people discuss things like gay pride, black pride, Mexican pride, etc. , they are celebrating their right to exist and not to feel shame for something that has been used to shame people like them in the past (namely, race and sexual orientation) and has been used as a reason for oppression and hate crimes. In the US, people have not been shamed at a societal / institutional level for being white because whites have always held structural power. So "white pride" has an entirely different connotation altogether. "White pride" is used to intimidate and harass oppressed groups and that's why white supremacists use it as a catch phrase.

Of course anyone who wasn't born yesterday understands why saying "white pride" and something like "gay pride" are completely different things and why they're met with different reactions from people. You'd have to ignore all historical and societal context to say the 2 are equivalent.

The ignorance is you basing your explanation of pride on the social definition. Because everyone says so, it must be true. The white dominance of past is irrelevant. Pride is pride as a standard definition, not what social norm implies. Assuming otherwise is the same bullshit double standard as with most political correct terminologies to appease the liberal minded asshats that whine about not being able to use a specific bathroom cause they feel warm and fuzzy inside. People have the right to feel pride in any form and if being white is their pride, so be it. It's taboo because of the racial divide based from those warm and fuzzy idiots, backed by a spineless governing body who once again, appease the idiots as it collects votes. It's used by white supremacists. Big effing deal. It doesn't change it's true definition. It changed because the social norm believes it should be and others follow for fear of repercussion.

[Tommy101]

My problem is most Republicans don't have any DEBATES / DISCUSSION when they give HUGE tax breaks for the elites or big corporations. But for the STIMULUS, even though the House passed it, they WILL NOT EVEN PUT IT UP FOR A VOTE?

What the fuck is that? Don't give any excuses why. It's simple. They don't want to be on record if they said no.

Also how is 1 fucking person (Mitch McConnell) so powerful. ALL HE HAS TO DO IS SAY: "I OBJECT" no reasons, no explanations whatsoever. Bam. No vote on this fucker and no one can challenge.

The positions of party floor leaders are NOT even included in the Constitution, its some shit that just came up in the 20th century.

I get that these are economic stimulus checks. But what are you really going to do when government FORCE lockdown / shutdown places and people are out of jobs? Please don't tell those people: "Just get a job bro".

I NEVER SAID IT CAN'T BE DONE. I'm fortunate enough that I did not lose my job due to covid or any downsizing etc. I work hard and got promoted several times within 7 yrs. Me getting a stimulus is just a SIDE BENEFIT. I empathize with all the families that lost their jobs and out on the street or really close to being evicted because $600 is not fucking enough and why should you settle for any less? Look at other countries stimulus and plans. For so called the wealthiest / greatest country in the world. We are NOT showing that to our people. And if you think so then you're naive as fuck.

You obviously slept through 10th grade government class.

[SmoothDriver]

At first, they were annoying, now have become totally comical. The "wealth" I currently have was achieved by my own hard work, College education that I paid for (by working two jobs sometimes), a professional job that I had for over 30 years, and a small business I own on the side. There is absolutely no reason why anyone (regardless of color or gender, etc.) could also accomplish. IF THEY WANTED TO! Ther key is "WANT" to, much easier to sit around ranting about poor-poor pitiful me. Collect you welfare check, buy your soda, snacks and junk food with your bridge card, enjoy your free health care. I work along side of people that grew up in the ghettos of Detroit, but instead to complaining about their life they took advantage of what was offered (education) and made something out of their life. IT CAN BE DONE.

Go through any town or city and you can see help wanted signs all over, ya, not the best jobs in the world, but it's a job. Start there and work (obviously offensive word to some) your way up or into a better job.

And lastly, if it is that bad for you here in this country, just move to another one, please, just move and let someone else support you, because we (people that actually take responsibility for their own life) really don't need you here, and we would much rather keep the money we EARN opposed to paying your way because you are too lazy or ignorant to make your own living.

Your white privilege got you your wealth along with hard work and you try and say it's the same for minorities? Only a lemming white middle-class racist republicans think that way. That's what's fuk up in this country you have all these dikhead white lemming republican guys running like this badbasco little cnt saying it only takes hard work to make it in this country as he is white and never experienced being a minority working your balls off to get passed over for a promotion tome and time again because your not white. Then this clown bad basco sticks says get out of the country if you don't like getting discriminated against. Know it all badbascos you might have been on welfare if your so called " hard work" was met with no pay increase or promotions like what happens to minorities. Don't try the your the minority that all white lemming middle-class republicans try to pull. It's never been equal coming from this white guy who's seen it all step child.

[SmoothDriver]

You contributed nothing to the conversation. At least the other even though they disagree, say something from their POV. All you do is insult lmfao. Fuck off, done with this thread.

Little cnt boy says now he is taking his marbles and is going home to cry to mommy. Moscow Mitch suks dik along with lemming white middle-class re4.

LOL go suk dik. Moscow Mitch and lemming white middle-class republicans like this head up his azz 313 can suk sum dik and not get anymore government aid.

[SenorVac]

The bipartisan Bill for $2000 came as an 11th hour response to Trump's call for it. It wasn't all Trump wanted. He wanted an Election Commission and repeal of Section 230. Since the House bill ignored these elements, it was left to Mitch to craft a version suitable for a Trump. Signature.

The other point I'd like to throw out. These checks are economic stimulus checks, not living wage, not an unemployment check substitute, not rent checks etc. It's easy to see why there is criticism when there is a mischaracterization of what they are.

My problem is most Republicans don't have any DEBATES / DISCUSSION when they give HUGE tax breaks for the elites or big corporations. But for the STIMULUS, even though the House passed it, they WILL NOT EVEN PUT IT UP FOR A VOTE?

What the fuck is that? Don't give any excuses why. It's simple. They don't want to be on record if they said no.

Also how is 1 fucking person (Mitch McConnell) so powerful. ALL HE HAS TO DO IS SAY: "I OBJECT" no reasons, no explanations whatsoever. Bam. No vote on this fucker and no one can challenge.

The positions of party floor leaders are NOT even included in the Constitution, its some shit that just came up in the 20th century.

I get that these are economic stimulus checks. But what are you really going to do when government FORCE lockdown / shutdown places and people are out of jobs? Please don't tell those people: "Just get a job bro".

At first, they were annoying, now have become totally comical. The "wealth" I currently have was achieved by my own hard work, College education that I paid for (by working two jobs sometimes), a professional job that I had for over 30 years, and a small business I own on the side. There is absolutely no reason why anyone (regardless of color or gender, etc.) could also accomplish. IF THEY WANTED TO! Ther key is "WANT" to, much easier to sit around ranting about poor-poor pitiful me. Collect you welfare check, buy your soda, snacks and junk food with your bridge card, enjoy your free health care. I work along side of people that grew up in the ghettos of Detroit, but instead to complaining about their life they took advantage of what was offered (education) and made something out of their life. IT CAN BE DONE.

Go through any town or city and you can see help wanted signs all over, ya, not the best jobs in the world, but it's a job. Start there and work (obviously offensive word to some) your way up or into a better job.

And lastly, if it is that bad for you here in this country, just move to another one, please, just move and let someone else support you, because we (people that actually take responsibility for their own life) really don't need you here, and we would much rather keep the money we EARN opposed to paying your way because you are too lazy or ignorant to make your own living.

I NEVER SAID IT CAN'T BE DONE. I'm fortunate enough that I did not lose my job due to covid or any downsizing etc. I work hard and got promoted several times within 7 yrs. Me getting a stimulus is just a SIDE BENEFIT. I empathize with all the families that lost their jobs and out on the street or really close to being evicted because $600 is not fucking enough and why should you settle for any less? Look at other countries stimulus and plans. For so called the wealthiest / greatest country in the world. We are NOT showing that to our people. And if you think so then you're naive as fuck.

DON'T GIVE ME THAT SHIT where you just tell me to go move to another fucking country. How about we fix what's broken and make it better for everyone so the fucking gap is smaller instead of it getting larger and larger.

[SenorVac]

And know mr know it all. Puking thinking I have met too many clowns like you. At least you know trumps suks dik. Now fuk offfff internet step child.

You contributed nothing to the conversation. At least the other even though they disagree, say something from their POV. All you do is insult lmfao. Fuck off, done with this thread.

[MongerMan313]

One main problem I frequently observe is the issue of factual data. When stating data that depicts a culture or group, in this case, blacks, as a negative, it's racism. Yet, when blacks, or other groups state negative facts against whites, it's factual. Try saying proud to be white when all others can say proud to be black, Mexican, Asian, etc. It's a double standard.

Assuming you're actually ignorant about these things and not stating them in bad faith, I'll explain them.

On the issue of facts:

It's not the stating of facts that's an issue, it's the conclusion drawn from said facts. People stating that the prison population is disproportionately minorities would be correct, but they typically use such facts to conclude that minorities are just naturally criminal somehow and as a result are inferior. When the real cause of most crime is simply poverty and minorities are more disproportionately poor (won't get into reasons why here, that's for another debate).

On the issue of white pride:

Pride is the opposite of shame and when people discuss things like gay pride, black pride, Mexican pride, etc. , they are celebrating their right to exist and not to feel shame for something that has been used to shame people like them in the past (namely, race and sexual orientation) and has been used as a reason for oppression and hate crimes. In the US, people have not been shamed at a societal / institutional level for being white because whites have always held structural power. So "white pride" has an entirely different connotation altogether. "White pride" is used to intimidate and harass oppressed groups and that's why white supremacists use it as a catch phrase.

Of course anyone who wasn't born yesterday understands why saying "white pride" and something like "gay pride" are completely different things and why they're met with different reactions from people. You'd have to ignore all historical and societal context to say the 2 are equivalent.